Just had a M&G with a tasty 22-year old who joined in March. She's a college student, Los Angeles native and recently quit her job as a bottle service girl at LA Downtown clubs.  

 
On this board, we have talked about the general preference for BB with our SB's before. To be sure, this is not the path for some SD's; presumably (but not exclusively) those with SO's.  But for those of us who feel the (hopefully mitigated) risk is worth the reward, this can be a major factor in preferring sugar dates over pros or civilians.  

 
For me, I have seen widely mixed results when starting the discussion. I've has POT's tell me it's just not going to happen (a deal breaker for me), to POT's who upped their allowance ask (one wanted an EXTRA $1000 over the $500 we had already negotiated), to POT's who needed me to take them to a lab and pay for their tests, to (most commonly) those who agreed after we talked about testing + the test status or condom status of other partners, to a few who just immediately agreed and had zero questions (definitely a yellow flag and a flag that is FAR too easy to ignore).  

 
Pre-pandemic, I'd generally have to go through 3-6 M&G's with otherwise qualified POT's before I found one who was ok with BB as long we had mutually shared test results.  But in the last 1-2 years, it's been well over 85% who were good to go, and had no incremental allowance asks.    

 
Back to today's 22-year old Caucasian M&G. She attractive, and I like her upbeat and easy-going attitude. She's a bit thicker than my usual type (Asian spinner, as most of you know), but am attracted to her, especially when she told me she's naturally submissive in bed and likes to be slapped and choked.  (Yes, yes.... I am an old perv, what's your point? LOL). She told me she's looking 1st for fun with a compatible older guy, and 2nd she wants her SD to "help her out" from time to time.  She never asked for a specific allowance, and when I asked her "what do you need," she said "well... nothing, really. I just want some help from time to time."  Note she's never had an arrangement from SA, but she did try one with a 38-year old married guy she met while working at a club.  That did not end well...  

 
After lunch she asked me to drive her home. As we pulled out of the parking lot I suggested we meet next Saturday for fun and dinner, and I suggested I would help her with $300.  She immediately accepted and I suspect I could have offered less (maybe 200-250?) and get the same result. But honestly, if she delivers in and out of BCD I'm very comfortable with that allowance.  

 
So my question:  

 
If you are looking for BB in your arrangements, when & how do you approach the subject?  Do you wait until after allowance negotiations?  Do you wait until after you've had one or more BCD dates? How often are you successful? How often does the discussion (and her refusal) end up killing the arrangement?   What are your most interesting discussions/paths to going BB? What was your biggest disaster?  

 
Final disclaimer (for those new to this group): Going BB in any sexual relationship is a VERY personal and mutual decision that must be considered seriously before any one's underwear hits the floor. I do not "advocate" for or suggest that ALL arrangements MUST include BB sex.  I can only speak for my personal experiences and preferences.  You be you, and do what works best for your personal needs, situation, and your actions to ensure you and your partner(s) are as safe as you want to be.  

Life is good

 
The Cat