Posted here a few weeks ago about my lack of success on SA and that I wasn`t going back for an additional  month at $90  as nothing worked out in the first month. Got tons of hits mostly from fugly fat bimbos who I wouldn`t see if they paid me. I did get favorited and messaged by a few hotties with stupid lines like "Hey there" or "Whats up with you". I would message them back with a "Sure, love to M&G with you, say where and when" I never would hear back from them again although one texted me back with this: "Looking for cock"  unbelievable! I texted her back with "Ok, plenty of that and more here, just say where and when" Never got back to me! Thinking maybe it`s me, maybe I`m too old. Don`t these millennial goof balls read my profile, pics and bio? all that is 100% accurate. I`m a 72 yo GQ dressed silver fox who still has game and it shows on my profile! Can`t they read? Why fuck with me in the first place?  So I let the premium lapse.

Last week I got many more hottie hits than ever before and caved in and re-upped my premium again. Guess what? same shit, they all ghost! Ugh.

Look, be honest, 72 is probably much older than their grandfather.  I'm not even going to try it when I reach that age - lol
At 57 I already have a heap of trouble with 20 y/o, but do get a few.
In any event, if you do look good, then it's simply a matter of numbers.  For example, I would guess you might have to contact at least 10-15 to get one serious reply...maybe even more.
You'll need to put in a lot of time, but I would almost guarantee you, contact 50 or so and you might be surprised.

If i do, I've got a huge nsnc, or ghosting isuues. Whena pot S.B. makes first contact. My success rate is better then 75% that I'll get her on a M.G. and then a immediate BCD or scheduled one..lol..really the only time i break my own rules is if i see a ter 9/10 then I'll shoot'er a text..

even for us old guys. I'm 71 and although I'm fit, nobody ever accused me of being GQ material. Yet I have more sweet young pussy than I can handle. I'm juggling 6 right now, and always on the prowl for more.  Yes, SA is expensive and time consuming. But if you are motivated enough, I guarantee you can have more success here  than you can imagine.

My market is rather small.  When I do a search  with my normal parameters of body type, age etc.  There are only about 1000 SBs in a 100 mile radius.   And the majority are old profiles, no longer active.  If we arbitrarily define active as having been on SA in the last week, then the number drops down to only 215!   I dion't know how many m en are trolling these same waters, but when a new, really attractive SB pops up, I want to get her attention before the other guys do.  So I hit her up early. It has often been a successful strategy.  

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You make some good points Sweetman but at this point in my journey it`s not about the chase but now about the destination.  I`d be happy juggling 2 never mind 6. Am I motivated? Meh, might be fun messing with a 23 yo if I could at least get a chance to step in the batters box. Continually getting ghosted gets old real quick.

Hobby on the other hand has been awesome for me in the last 2 yrs since I started. The connections I`ve made have been brilliant. I have 2 ATF`s that I see regularly. One of them 18x now always with OTC dinners and overnights! Then I bring  a new girl into the rotation every 3rd time for some nice variety. This combo works great for me.
 It`s not rocket science to figure out the current score, SB`s 000%, Escorts 100%

I`ve got 20 days of premium left. Maybe something will click. I`ll keep tryin' for sure.

When you search, how many active SB's show up?  Having a good ratio of SB's to SD's makes the quest much easier.  I also  lie about my age in the profile, because I can get away with it.  Have a full head of hair so I keep it dyed, and chase away the grey.  At work, favorite lunch spot has always been a sports bar with hot young servers.  I've gotten to know a lot of them over the years, and it keeps me used to dealing with young hotties.  If you are dealing with a young newbie, then it takes the right moves for you to be successful.  

I have a very small market to play in.   I reach out first mostly and can usually find one and reel her in.  Once I have them BCD it’s a good thing.  In my late 50s, full hair but it’s grey, got some added lbs, they always want more.  Now 20strojl, go step back into the box, play center field and catch ‘em all.  

Okay, so if you don't mind the reveal . . .  

What does it cost you to be with this escort for an overnight?  

In the markets I'm familiar with, that would be thousands, say two to four, I suppose. Now, if you have seen this woman for 18x, I assume that she is giving you a discount on the extended time.

The beauty of the SB is partially the overnight at a DEEP discount. My recent weekend in NYC did cost me the room, the show, the jazz club meal, the spa -- but I got a return out of these expenses of course. Then, for multiple sessions with my #1, I ended up gifting her $400 at the end of the weekend. Don't think I could get away with that from an escort, but maybe I need to try. There's one in NYC who really knocked my socks off last summer  . . .

Thanks for acknowledging my points.  I certainly don't dispute yours!  Hobbying with pros is SOOOooo much easier and gets you to the desired result so much quicker.  Sugar Dating can be less expensive, but I don't think saving money is much of a critical factor for you. I think the real issue is what you said about journey vs destination.  In order to be successful in the Sugar Bowl you have to really enjoy the chase, the journey, the unknown outcome, and the countless hours spent trolling, messaging, and negotiating.  I LOVE that shit.  But clearly it annoys the hell out of you.  I get it.  So I honestly wish you nothing but enjoyment as you continue hobbying with pros.

Sure, I don`t mind one bit. Right from day one my #1 gave me many green lights. I never asked for them. Maybe I just rubbed her right, (no pun) got real lucky, was a cut above the other guys, or she liked my game or "D" all of the above?
Who knows? I`m not about to question it.
All dinners and overnights with her have been  totally OTC. I told her that they had to be cause I couldn`t afford her regular rates for that stuff. She never said a word about it and now it`s a given. I will say this, I took the initiative here and definitely asked for these goodies never thinking she would agree. First the dinners then the sleepovers so as not to push the envelope. You have to ask! What`s the worst thing she can say, no? Be ready for that but just maybe she`ll say yes.  

The chemistry between us is terrific and once we`re back in the room we go at it again! You have no idea how nice it is for a guy my age to eat, drink,  then suck clit and fuck for 2 more hrs., cuddle and sleep like a baby with this beautiful woman who is 1/2 my age, knowing there is no clock on her night table.   I would have thought I died and went to heaven. The second time I asked to sleep over I was exhausted and did not want to drive home 1-1/2 hrs buzzed.
She said "Sure" but that she had to go home (lives not far away) to do stuff and wasn`t able to stay with me. Ok by me. Came back to the room to let me in and gather her shit. I was asleep before my head hit the pillow. Woke up at 3 AM to pee and guess  who`s curled up naked next to me? Yep, you guessed it. I am a very lucky and appreciative dude.

I gotta watch it here  cause I could easily fall in love with this one and that`s a 99% guaranteed one way ticket to hell and I`m not going there at this point in my life. Maybe in the next one though? lmao.

Here`s my other spin on this subject and should help put it in perspective about getting extra OTC goodies from escorts It`s 180* from #1.
My #2 ATF that I see regularly is equally as gorgeous, hot, affectionate with a huge sexual appetite  and as alpha female as #1 is. I`m in a great relationship with her. Only difference is #2 absolutely WILL NOT see anyone outside the room for dinners, lunches or for overnights, not no-one, not no how, no exceptions! What she gives me albeit "in room" is enough to keep me cumming back for more. Plain and simple, what #1 gives me is more than enough to relegate #2 to her current status. Both these two babes were the first two gals I saw when I entered the hobby two yrs. ago. Blind luck? Probably, lol.

Staying on the escort theme for just a little longer, every 3rd time I play I reach out to a new one for some variety. I don`t usually write reviews as most girls don`t want them anymore but I did write a review of a Russian new girl I saw last Sun in Philly. (check it out) She was drop dead gorgeous, red hot with a voracious sexual appetite and a great sense of humor. I thoroughly enjoyed my self but didn`t have  anywhere near the connection I have with #s 1&2, go figure?

And finally about the Sugar Bowl. The thing that really frustrates and ticks me off is I know what I`m capable of. Give me a chance to work my mojo on a couple of millennial brats at the bar in a nice bistro. I have tons of millage doin` that. If this Oldje can get 2 hookers to have feelings for him I wonder what he could do with a 23 yo SB or 2-3?

On the other hand I never reached out to any SB`s that didn`t Fave or message me first. I`m figuring my chances improve that way? Maybe I should shotgun it and just do volume? Maybe I should lower my standards and practice on borderline bimbos? Who knows, but I must be doin' something wrong and do I just say f-this and stay on the escort side of the tracks?

Thank you guys for the good luck stuff. Sorry to run on so long, just needed to share and vent some

Well, my good dude, I could PM this one, but I do think that when others can benefit from our experiences, we might as well stay public, if not betraying information meant to be held in confidence. Any thing already posted on here is in the public domain and searchable to anybody with interest, time and game, so any think I allude to is available to others.  

We're fishing in the same waters . . . maybe. Not clear whether you spend more time at the Shore or in the city, but we have both seen two of the same women. I thought both were very sweet, but one gave a killer BBBJ, maybe the best of my life. Might have to get down on it again! And, I suppose, here too are candidates for you #s 1 and 2.  

I have not been in the escort world for a long time, despite periods of angst and frustration where I too began to think that the destination was being put off by stalled journeys. Meaning, my SA game started the fall of 2016, and didn't really get solid until the summer of 2017. Long story short, while still married and at home, I tried switching over from escorts to SBs, but from about 40 minutes outside the city. Logistically, my searching yielded local candidates who were basically NOT college aged. Those that were tended to ghost. Very frustrating, and lots of learning to be done on m part. My SBs were generally older, and the relationships never got far off the ground, often one and done.  

I did not put out a public profile pic, for discretion's sake until January. Too much on the line being recognized by the wrong persons, so I would open my private pics when I felt comfortable. Earlier this winter, I changed course, now divorced, and did post a pretty decent portrait. It was up for several weeks before I deactivated my account because I have no need to be actively searching for now. **** Here is the thing. I never got messages from POT SBs, whether with the public photo or without. I am tall, fit, full hair, which, as grey, appeals greatly or does not. Am 58 and able to provide the sugar along with all the right character traits a woman wants in a safe, predictable, fun and emotionally/financially generous SD. And this is a six-million metro population, with lots of colleges! So, this has puzzled me, since others report so many unsolicited messages. Truly, YMMV. Maybe, I have thought, Philly women just are not like those in PHX, Cali, AZ and elsewhere.  

So, I have always reached out, following the advice here, by some, and played the numbers game. And in the summer of 2017, as I was transitioning toward divorce and a new, separate apartment, I found three SBs who responded and wanted LT arrangements. Now, I was living nearly in the city, logistically much better off, and these three all were young 20s, just post-baccaluareate. Since October, my main SBs have all been undergraduates, two of them athletes with strong sex-drives (though not into kink, like the artist).  

So, my own story is that  
1. you have to play the numbers when you are not getting the SBs coming to you on the message front; send out lots of messages and expect that only 10% or so are going to yield anything of interest; but that's more than enough, and it is a perpetual well always to go back to, and very deep  (:
2. screening intelligently is absolutely essential if you want to channel the journey toward the best it can be; Coach1437 posted incredible advice on how to screen, IMHO. Herbtcat has also written very helpfully on this subject.  
3. an escort may capture my imagination, which is good for sex, but there are always the delusion and illusion aspects; SBs also are "sex workers", who enter the relationship because of the cash nexus, but there is more potential there (than with the escort) to establish an authentic emotional connection. The dynamic is totally different  -- which is why we talk about the "journey" as well as the "destination". Over the longer run, you may find that the "negotiation" with the SB feels less and less transactional; or, to the extent that this is still costing you money, you're happier paying it over.  

Gone on for too long, but my two cents.

Agree with periscope about Philly market. Girls rarely reach out to me. Like Periscope, I went through different strategies. No public photo but did have private ones, public but no face shots, etc. The market varies on a seasonal basis. Most of the SBs I’ve had were in the mid to late 20s and worked out well. I’ve not had success with the college aged ones but then I am not that concerned with those girls as I have found a set of girls that work for me. I’ve taken my profile down for the time being but that’s because my schedule has been too busy with my day job and my newest SB is eating up what time I have available.

You may have to start with more of a pay for play approach. I hear from SBs that’s how lots of older guys do it, they pony up $1000 to get SBs to go straight to sex and then they might try for less on repeats. At this rate though, pros are definitely a better value.  

There’s also nothing wrong with turning a pro into a SB as long as she doesn’t have a pimp who might care. I’ve yet to get turned down for meals or overnights with pros I have good chemistry with and a few have outright asked to be my SB when they find out I’m on SA.