As you know, many relations with sb are very intimate in terms of how genuine and knowing about each other.  Over the course of the years I had a good amount of long lasting sb and after trust is established, talking about testing and going bare happened a few times. I was wondering how common is to go bare with your sb based on your experience.

For me at least.  First of all, every SB I've ever dated has also been dating other SDs or civvie BFs or both at the same time.  She may have been tested recently but that simply does not feel safe to me if she fucked some random guy yesterday. Also my situation is different from most in that my awesome wife knows I'm sugar dating and approves, within certain agreements.  The most important one is that neither of us will bring home any diseases!  That means playing safer as much as possible.  I did have one sweet little cutie a couple years ago complain she hated condoms and managed to get me to screw her BB.  But I should have said no, and haven't gone BB so since.

But at least I came prepared.

I've been BCD with three SBs. One it was clear I was going to wear a condom, and if I let her have her choice it would have been two for fear that she's so fertile. I no longer see her.

With the other two SBs I've successfully gotten BCD, repeatedly, the discussion of tests or birth control didn't even have a chance to come up before we went BCD, so I came packing condoms as was my standard operating procedure with escorts (many run out, or forget).

With both of these "winners," we were heavy in foreplay, and not long after I ended on my back and they were performing BBBJ, they jumped on top of me, grabbed Mr. Johnson, and shoved it in BB, and rode me like there was no tomorrow.  

With the first one, though it was after a while, I at least had the will power to ask if she was on birth control, and when the answer was "no," I asked when her last period was... doing the math -- and with great difficulty -- I pulled out and installed a condom. Next time I brought contraceptive foam and she uses that every time without asking -- I just set it in the bathroom and she knows what to do. She doesn't see anyone else, and I *try* to be careful.

The second girl pretty much did the same thing, but I knew she just finished her period and the math said she was in the safe zone, so I went with it. It was tough to bring up, but the 2nd or 3rd meet BCD, but we had already had our first session and were in the bathtub, and I finally had the balls to bring it up and she told me, "I hate condoms -- they're too stretchy -- so I'm on the same pill as my Mom." LOL!  God Bless Her. She could cum 15 times in an evening and squirt like a porn star almost as many times!

So I've been testing, though not as frequent as I should.

I am not married... eternally single.

The next girl, which I've been working on for a while, is considering an IUD, which I told her I'd pay for. I already told her I tested clean (which I did, but I'm due for another one). And if I ink her, my anticipation is that she and I will be exclusive.

Every situation's different.... either you don't want to catch something that you have to see your internist or urologist for, or you don't want her to catch something that she has to see an OB for.

I had one SB suggest a condom was optional. I opted not to twice. But I probably should have used a condom.  All my other non-civie sex is covered.

Ok. So, in another life, I managed a teen pregnancy clinic in NYC. Here's my $.02 on the BB conversation.

 
1. What do you call people who pull out or use the rhythm method? Parents.
2. I hate condoms and I love bareback. However, don't be nieve and don't use magical thinking. If you have more than one  SB, chances are she probably has more than one SD. Your test result is only good since the last time you had sex and until you have non-condom sex with someone again, (and all their partners).
3. The only way to get an STD is to have sex with someone who has an STD. AND people will lie, lie, lie. I remember one social worker was almost assaulted because she told a woman that if she had an STD and hasn't slept with anyone outside of their marriage, then he had been with someone else...it's science.
3. Call me jaded, but there are a great many reasons for women to WANT to become pregnant, (it's a complex issue). Remember that many of these women are young and many are financially and perhaps socially unstable. It's best to take birth control into your own hands. Don't rely on an SBs "I'm on the pill" say so. I'm telling you, a woman's body is designed to get pregnant and if you play that game, you will eventually lose.

 
I'm not perfect in this realm (I've had close calls) and I know that in the heat of the moment it's damn hard to "stop and cover". Just use your best judgment and be careful. Like I said, it's just my $.02, take what you like and leave the rest.

Thanks for sharing some sober, scientifically based medical advice.  It's all stuff all of us have heard before, but we need to be reminded from time to time.  In my own recent experience at least 2 of my SBs became pregnant that I know of during the times I was dating them.  I always used condoms so I know it wasn't my doing!  One had an abortion, the other is now a mom.

There are protocols that can be used to avoid pregnancy.  A friend of mine got a vasectomy many years ago, so he felt more confident going BB with SBs and providers.  Luckily he avoided STIs as well, but the risk was always there.

In the polyamory community partners have serious discussions about becoming "fluid bonded" before they go BB. My wife was dating a guy for quite some time, with my blessing of course, when they decided they wanted to become fluid bonded, i.e., go BB.  I was part of the conversation and we all agreed that they could do so, but if I went BB with anyone, or if either of them went BB with anyone else, the others would immediately be informed and behaviors modified as deemed necessary. And they both got tested before beginning their BB encounters.  This sort of exclusive BB relationship depends on a very high degree of trust, so maybe it's not applicable in the sugar bowl.  I guess what I'm saying is that the only time I'd consider BB activity with a SB is if we knew and trusted each other VERY well, and if we agreed to be exclusively BB with each other.  Hasn't happened, probably never will.

Since I realize I wasn't smart with some of my girls (see the post above), one way I decided to change my behavior was to get tested and brag about it... I've been working on four new POT SBs, and I was glad to share a screenshot of my recent clean results with each of them via text -- that was an easy way to get the conversation started before blood gets rushing in places that make you not think straight.

One girl said, "I just tested clean also!" However, she didn't offer a screenshot of her test, and we didn't get to the birth control subject yet. I'm pretty sure she has multiple SDs, and I don't think she's on the pill (she's an uber-skinny model), so we'll probably do the condom thing anyway.  

Another said, "I'm clean, I swear," and I'm pretty sure she has no other involvement... turns out she's pregnant, and got tested as a result of that error in judgement which occurred in a drunken state with someone she didn't know. She's so far along now that likely she's out of the running for good anyway. After she gives birth to this one, that makes two illegitimate kids, so I probably won't even go there. I'm pretty sure she's out of the running, because as much as I love kids, I pretty much would prefer to support my own and not her two.  

With another girl, she appreciated me sharing. And though she didn't share any test results, she shared that she is not on the pill (she doesn't like the weight gain), and she's okay with condoms, so that pretty much concludes that discussion. Though I'm pretty sure she's not involved with anyone else, she does have a kid so I do know she's fertile and not afraid to keep it should an accident happen.  

And the leader of the current POT SB contest is likely going for the IUD, so if that doesn't happen, we're doing the condom thing unless we discuss something else. Though she has no test to brag about, she claims to have always used condoms.

So if I end up going BB with any of these new girls, should they pan out, I'll find an excuse to wear a condom with my regular BB girl.  

Since I don't have a vasectomy I do have to worry about birth control, but like everyone else I also don't want to catch something so there has to be some trust and a practical decision to protect myself and anyone else I may sleep with. Luckily I don't have a wife to factor into the equation.

In an ideal state, BB with only one trusted girl is the only safe way... emphasis on trusted, and you can't really trust anyone 100% because we're all human. It's all in how much you want to gamble.

I've done something similar.  I've told the SBs that I will provide my most recent test results.  And when we meet BCD the first time I have done so.  they always appreciate it,. but if they don't reci[procate there's no way I'd go BB.  It more about appearing like a trustworthy person than it is about a strategy to go bareback.

About the trust issue:  I I ever get to the point where a special SB and I are talking about becoming exclusive and going BB with each other, I'd make it very clear that I don't think breaking that agreement would be a dreadful bad thing at all.  We're both free to see our lives and our other relationships evolve as they will.  so we are not agreeing to Never go BB with anyone else.  We Are agreeing that if we do, we will inform the other person immediately.  The person informed will agree to be cool about it, no fuss, just a return to using condoms.  That way the level of trust required is easier.  I'm not asking her to Never go BB with anyone else  I'm just asking her to tell me if she does so we can make appropriate decisions.

I hate condoms, but still wear them...between never and often😄.  First off, I've had a vasectomy and it's pretty rock solid because I use to have a shit ton of unprotected sex with my fertile wife and an AP (affair partner) and neither became pregnant.

Like many here on the board, have been with dozens of SB's.  My target age range is late 20's to early 30's with the occasional 18 to early 20's.  Different practices for the different demographics.

With the young set, I always wear condom as I assume they have other SD's, boyfriends and/or random drunk college sex.  Have I gone bareback with any of these over the years?  Absolutely.  One super hot 21 yo didn't like condoms but demanded that I pull out.  On BCD #3, Round 2, I didn't (could not help myself as it was too good) and she freaked out. Haven't seen her since.  Just yesterday, a current college SB who brings her own condoms took it off while riding me cowgirl.  We've been together perhaps 5 or 6 times and she stated that "she just felt like it".  Have mutually tested with this group as well to go bareback with an "exclusive" understanding.  As I was lying, assumed she might be as well.

With the older set (late 20's to early 30's), many have gone bareback from the beginning.  These women are selected because they are college educated and career oriented.  Hopefully bending the curve in my favor banking on their judgement.  Current 28 yo news reporter (long story) built like a porn star, wore no panties under her little black dress to our 1st BCD session.  Drinking wine and talking and then bang...she takes my pants off and climbs on with a soaking wet pussy.  Several other similar stories of no condoms from BCD #1:  3 married SB's, 2 flight attendant's, a few single mom's...

Interesting topic and could go on and on.  Bottom line:  Of course any of these women could be banging some other guys.  I understand that is a risk that I'm taking.  Banking on my spidy senses and my guardian angel protecting me.

From only my personal experiences it seems the SB’s between approximately 25 and 35 want to use protection, at least the first few times. Under 25’s may ask, but often they either go right to BB (cowgirl) or say I’m on the pill, implying I don’t need to use protection. I still ask to use one initially with under 35’s, except for two younglings. Only been with three SB’s over 35, they may have been lying, but all three were recently out of LT marriages so felt they had fewer partners (yes, thinking only with the little head). Once I’ve been with a SB for 3 bcd and planning to continue, ask for both of us to get tested, using rubbers or not.

I'll add clarification....

While my first SB who jumped on me bareback in cowgirl is 40-something (long-divorced, teenage kid, likely not sexually active).

The other SB who jumped me bareback in cowgirl is 23 years old and I am pretty sure she was playing the sugar bowl a little bit.  

The one who insisted on no oral and almost insisted on two condoms (aka the now dumped SB) was about 38 at the time (two teenage kids, divorced, likely not sexually active).

My next POT SB is 19 and I am pretty sure she hasn't been sexually active in about 6 months. But yeah, the test topic should be coming up soon.  

My experience with a very few of the young working girls I got to know, not that I'd ever consider going BB with any of them, is that they may go BB in dating life, as well as in working life "if the guy is young and hot."  

That said, every situation is different.

And I will say, BB is one reason I'm in the Sugar Bowl... plus I like more of a natural, romantic experience vs. a 30-minute quickie.

Conversing in Greek with SBs? Introductory level to advanced happen naturally or it is part of a discussion?

"Anything goes"

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BB was offered with four of the six SBs I have seen. With one, exchange of recent test results was a must. With the other three it was accepted and two of the three reciprocated.  

Of the two who didn't, one ended up being a one-time thing and she wanted to be safe until we knew each other better. Another told me that wasn't concerned about STDs with me, but that she couldn't tolerate hormonal birth control (including IUDs) and that one abortion pill experience in a lifetime was more than enough for her.  

I guess this isn't that common, but I spent some time doing my own screening. None of these were escorts doubling as SBs, one was a college virgin until after we got together together the first time, another was a recent graduate who had only been with two other guys and wanted to play with NSA before getting into a more serious relationship, and the other two were in unhappy relationships and wanted something on the side with the $ a nice extra.

is great, with the right ladies and the right lotion

The hands down hottest female I've ever been with (she was a TER top 10 pre sesta/fosta, back when that really meant something) just loved female condoms. But I never really liked them. First of all it sure looked weird.  I love looking at a naked pussy and the FC just did not do it for me. Secondly, even though I could lube up my bare cock and slide right in, it felt more like I was fucking a plastic sex toy than a woman. Idk, just never liked it except for the novelty factor.

I agree it's wonderful...albeit expensive.  
And, no need to use lotion.
With a duo - it's the only way to go!

My latest SB conquest doesn't like sticking things inside of her... I guess, except for if it's my manhood or my finger... so contraceptive gel was out, as was a sponge and a female condom. She swore she was clean, and so long as I didn't finish inside and "make her pregnant," I was good... so a little uncovered play was enjoyed at first, and then I had to use a cover to finish. Not the best way, but not a bad way to go. Just a side note: going covered does indeed feel like I'm wearing a space suit.

If you trust your self control that is.  

 
I am sure you already know how much stock you can put into "Trust me, I am clean" so we can skip that whole conversation. lol

Pre-cum has spermies.  Risk of preggy is real.  

I had a young SB, one of the best bodies...damn I still think about her, who didn't like condoms.  Told me she had only been with 2 guys (yeah...right!) and that we could go bareback, but not to cum inside as she didn't want her vaginal pH altered.  Well the combo of good pussy and my lack of control equaled me blasting inside of her (I'm fixed with many years of field testing, so pregnancy chance close to zero).  She was not happy, but in the twisted SB world we fucked again.  I tried to pull out, but she was riding me like a professional cowboy screaming "fuck me" while holding me for dear life.   She was not happy and the last thing I saw was her back as she left.  Even the extra donation was not enough for her to return my text messages.

and the good news is I think it gets easier as you get older. I could never pull out before cumming in my youth, I don't have much of a problem doing it now at age 61, but I will confess, I really don't like it.

 
BTW I have had a few SB's that have asked me not to finish inside of them, ALL of them young. I think the older ones realize the fallacy of expecting any kind of protection resulting from the practice, but if it's either pulling out or wearing a condom, I pick pulling out. and it is kind of fun to see what kind of "paint job" you can give her when finishing all over her back in doggie. lol

I do so enjoy a good pull out plastering the girls tummy and tits with my goo.  Then I feed it to her.   The best.  

With me and my regular SB, it just happened... we were heat-of-the-moment near the end of an over-nighter, I was licking her lips whilst stimulating her sphincter with my thumb and I worked it fully loose and it was driving her crazy when she said, "well, it's open, so you might as well try sticking 'it' in" ... so I did. She went nuts and screamed out, begging me to fill her up! LOL! It was my first time, but idk if it was hers... she was pretty wild. She ended up ghosting me about a month later... I do miss her.

Oh, and she was BB from date 1. Hates condoms and was on the pill.

I've done Greek with quite a few escorts and always consider it a very special treat.  But it's much rarer in the sugar bowl.  I've only met 4 SBs who were ok with it, and only one was actually an enthusiast.  Currently I have my sights set on a new SB I'll be meeting next week.  I have high hopes for Greek with her since she's told me how much she enjoys alternative activities.  I look forward to finding out what she's actually open to!

I've had Greek fun with quite a few escorts and always consider it a special treat.  But it's much rarer in the sugar bowl.  I've only met 4 SBs who were open to Greek and frankly only one of those was a true enthusiast.  I always hope it will happen though.  Currently I have plans to meet a new SB next week and she sounds kinky and adventurous enough it just might happen.  We shall see!

I will have to say that I normally do not have a problem pulling-out with my regular early-40s SB (who is attractive, but not hot). So last week I had this new, early 20s super-hottie Asian BCD, and she got me so worked-up that I lost control! Luckily she started her period the next day. And, luckily, she's going back on the pill (which I had assumed she was on already). Just a reminder to not only have the STD Talk, but the Birth Control Talk.

Let me start by congratulating you on landing an Asian SB  who (I assume) is not a GPS Princess. I don't know what market you are in, but I've found the hot, Asian, 20-ish, humble, BB freak SB to be almost a myth in the San Fernando Valley, just north of Los Angeles. At least a myth for me.  
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Next, you just learned an invaluable lesson about why transparency and honesty is so critical to the Sugar Bowl. You dodged a bullet - well, I suppose she dodged it :p - this time. But that could have just as likely put you on the path to 18 years of child support payments. If you want BB - and most of us do - you must talk about testing AND birth control. I'll go even further and suggest you find a way to discuss her position on abortion IF she's not on birth control. I've encountered an increasing number of POT's who wont use BC for a variety of reasons - side effects mostly. If it's cost, that can be an easy fix as I am always willing to offer to pay for whatever she wants to use. Same with paying for STD testing if needed.  
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I've only received that dreaded cell phone call twice in all my time in the Bowl. The fist turned out well for me - she assured me it wasn't mine and went off to marry the guy.  I did the time math and believe it was not mine, as she was likely 3 weeks pregnant the last time we went BCD.  But she was an absolute hottie sex-freak who was open to anything and I still miss her, though I wish her every happiness in her new life's direction.  (Sadly, I was not invited to the wedding. :LOL.)  
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The second was more complicated. I hadn't seen her in 10 weeks, and happened to meet her working at a local strip club - with a very noticeable baby bump.  At first I thought (HOPED!) she was just fat, but alas... no.  She called me after her shift and we talked for a while. With her past history (I knew she offered extras in the club, and we generally only saw each other 4 times a year) I figured it was about a 30% possibility that I was the father, as she implied. She never actually claimed I was, but she didn't stop me from assuming it. Again, I did a lot of time-math and it was indeed possible...  
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Well, I consider myself a decent gambler when in Las Vegas and it's not unusual for me to have $400-$800 in action on a craps table or to lay down the same amount on black jack hands or at the poker table. Generally, I win at blackjack, leave the hold 'em table with my buy-in stack, and lose my ass at craps.  This time I felt the 70% chance it was not mine was too close to take that risk. So I paid for the procedure. I even took her to the clinic because I am a nice guy... Ok that's bullshit. I took her to the clinic to absolutely ensure she got it done.  
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All that could have been avoided if I had required the talk before I dropped several loads into Paradise.  
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So good on you! Be the adult in your sugar arrangements and make sure you understand the risks and rewards. Because Daddies who think before they fuck will find that...  
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Life is good.
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The Cat

Forgive the long winded answer...There are certain decisions the dick (aka Junior) is allowed to make and there are certain decisions that are above his pay grade and he is not permitted to make.  Examples of decisions he’s allowed to make..Lazy weekend with nothing planned and you get the text from your Sb “have anything going on this weekend”. Go ahead junior, answer her back...In Vegas on business and just closed a nice business deal. Back at the room and then look at my phone.  Go ahead junior, message away.  Log in to SA...Go ahead junior, your in charge....

Then there are situations where junior isn’t allowed to make the call. Bareback is one of those situations.  Now junior always argues and he is pretty persuasive. There are even parts of the brain that are in collusion with him.  However, there are always 4 primary questions that is asked of junior and he knows that he must receive a “yes” response to all 4 before he can proceed:  

Q1:  Are you prepared to go on full allowance and give up PPM. While we don’t like this, junior isn’t very responsible and will usually answer yes to this question because he’s a touchy feely type of guy...

Q2:  Are you prepared to extend this allowance thru a contractual arrangement for the next 18 years. He almost never crosses this but he has asked to see pictures of the SB’s mom. Occasionally both the brain and junior are like “damn, this one has good genes...”

Q3:  Are you prepared for the contractual allowance to be ~$3k/month for the next 18 years. Ok, junior likes variety and is pretty good at math and he immediately starts calculating the opportunity cost of what he could get in terms of variety at $3k/month. He sometimes wants to try to win the argument (he’s a persistent fuck that junior...)

Q4:  Are you prepared to pay $3k/month contractual allowance for the next 18 years, and rarely (maybe never) see the bcd surprise again. Remember, he’s very touchy feely guy.  “Wait, what the fuck did you say brain. Why in the hell would I pay that kind of money to get nothing. Fuck you you fucking fuck of a fuckhole. I’m outta here, give me your phone you shit for brains, good for nothing...I’m callin a damn Uber”.   Junior knows a bad deal when he sees one.  

Going bareback with an SB is up to each of us as we all have differing risk tolerances but I tend to play in the 20’s and have an established track record (with 3 kids) to prove that junior is a pretty good swimmer so for me, not worth the risk....