Hey all. Happy New Year. Someone made an interesting observation below, but it was buried in the middle of another thread so I thought I would repost it here for others to opine on...

Someone mentioned directly listing their desired per meet rates in their SA profiles... I was wondering if anyone else had tried that and what the results were or if SA even allows it. So for example, if I wanted to pay on average about 300 per meet, can I say directly my SA profile that I was looking "to pay 250-350 per date"?

The cons of this approach (if it is not too explicit or even allowed by SA) would be that you would get a much lower hit rate. The pros to this approach would be that the girls who DO respond would be pretty solid leads bc they know what the per meet budget is that you are working with and are ok with it... so you should have a pretty good shot with them I would think since the $$ aspect is now known and agreed upon for the most part. Also there would be a lot LESS messaging with girls that doesn't go anywhere or with girls who aren't really serious, not on same page about money, etc...

Thoughts? Here in DC the average per meet rate for a hot girl is about 300-400 depending... however, since I also have to factor in hotel rates, it quickly pops my budget up to around 500 per meet, which is more than I want to spend on an SB when there are some really hot providers I can see for that rate that will have much better menu. I'm thinking about explicitly listing something in my profile like "300 if you can't host; 375 if you can host" and see what happens. Like I said, I think my overall response rate will be lower, but the ones who do respond and/or are interested, should be pretty ready to go.  

Curious to hear what others think of this approach? Too blunt? Could work? Unrealistic? Maybe this is too explicit and close to the "p" word and not even allowed by SA?  

Cheers,
jungl

Could be a very interesting experiment, which I am perfectly happy to let you try with your money. :p  

Seriously, it's worth trying. A few considerations from my POV:  

1. Make ABSOLUTELY SURE you do not imply a quid pro quo (i.e.: cash for sex). Even a hint can be interpreted a soliciting. I'm sure SA would ban you and they may refer you to LE. Or LE may be monitoring the site.  

2. I don't think SB's rationalize the "incidental" costs we incur like hotel rooms, air fare, etc. If it's not cash or gifts that they take home, the value does not get added into their perception of how much "sugar" you are providing. So offering a host vs. non-host amount may not work well and could be viewed poorly (see #1) or as making her feel like a pro.  

3. You might want to use (or experiment with) a term like "minimum per meet" instead of a range. That could accomplish your goal of reducing back and forth on negotiating but it reserves the right for YOU to decide if and when to give more sugar.  

Good luck. I'll be looking forward to seeing how you do.

I would think this would get flagged, but hey if gets through go for it.  The only downside is they may block your membership temporarily or reject your profile until it is fixed. LEN got some heat over something he did.  If it gets through, then it will depend on whether some sensitive SB gets her panties in wad and complains.

I give a range 300 - 350 and say depends if you can host.

You need to be flexible on money just as do the SB's.
Some dream of a "allowance", others don't care and just want say $300, etc.
Many dream of $500+ but you can get them down.  If you put a $ amount they will just skip over you or not respond.
But remember, if you pay peanuts, you get what you pay for!

Zackly!

Not sure I understand this.  If she asks and you have an amount you are comfortable with, what's wrong with being first when mentioning a price? I've had some SBs tell me what they want and then we negotiate.  I'm fine with that.  But I've had others unwilling to mention a number and I want to move the process along.  So I tell them the amount I "normally" give, which is an amount I'm very comfortable with and which my previous SBs have been very happy to receive. If they agree, it's game on.  If not, we negotiate.  It's still totally my choice whether I decide to increase my original offer or not.  My normal amount is on the low side anyway and I wouldn't expect to date a hot girl for much less.  I know Gagambler (and others??) has reported some zero dollar dates.  I'd be surprised if that ever happened to me so I'm not holding my breath. Even the SBs who I feel genuinely liked me a lot would not have stayed for zero dollars. So starting off by mentioning my normal amount seems fine.

Have to agree with sweetman's strategy - if she won't make the first offer.  

I try to assess her overall experience level/tenure on the site (or in the sugar bowl) as well.  A relative newbie will probably be less willing to suggest a number and to accept my number since she has little to compare it to. A more experienced/tenured POT SB will have a firm idea of a number and will be more willing to claim it early to "weed out" the "cheap losers".  

Next, I will generally (with some exceptions) try to cast myself in the opposite side. If she's a noob I'll be the experienced guy who knows what he can pay and what she should receive.  If she's had several arrangements along the way (and thus more likely to accept/want p4p) I'll try to come off as less experienced and so less willing to "risk" big dollars until I am comfortable with the arrangement and with her.  

Either way it will still come down to knowing exactly what you are willing to do per meet and how often.  Know your budget and don't exceed it unless.... (There's always an "unless" because your dick has veto power over your brain.)

I'm not a lawyer but this seems to me to get too close to the legal line.  I think you will scare a lot of people off if you do that.

As I think about this idea, I seem to recall at least one SB profile that mentions something like "wont meet for free," or something like that. Trying to remember if any of them list a specific amount, or possibly hint at a certain minimum (i.e.: "no $200 dates!").  

My instinct has been to move on and not look back. So I don't really have any specific examples

I have tried A/B experiments testing the idea of mentioning the per date amount in the first message. I find it to work well in that it leads to more responses and more meets but the trade off is that I probably end up overpaying a bit. I am willing to do that to make SA more time efficient. I don't mention this in the profile as I do think SA would frown on that. I state in the first message that 'I am open to monthly allowance but prefer to start with a per date allowance of $400-$600 till trust is built' (in the DC area $500 is what I expect to pay for a young hottie). I found for me anyway that this significantly improved my response and meet rate. Interestingly, most will pick $500 to be in the middle of the range so as not to appear greedy. While this improves response rate it might turn off some that are more GND type who may feel that this is transactional. So now I am now experimenting with just saying that 'in my last arrangement the allowance was $2K per month but each person is different so it is best to discuss in person'. I am willing to pay that amount for the right sb but would decide in person. While this approach may not be the best for all, I think it saves time and filters out the ones that are unrealistic and expecting $5k or more per month. I will try more experiments and report back.  

Tbh, I'm not really sure I would have had the balls to list the amount directly in my profile as it seems to be pushing the edge of acceptability with SA and I would not want to get my account banned, flagged, etc... I do like the idea of cutting to the chase and putting it in the first message to show that I am serious. There may be some slight overpaying, but like others have said, as long as it's an amount/range that I'm comfortable with, then I don't really see the harm. In the end, it might be worth a little extra to filter out the time wasters or those who aren't really serious. I still think the host/non-host amounts could work... I'll continue to experiment with those as well and report back here.  

Thanks for everyone's feedback.

I don't like the idea in general, but it can save time.

First, I wouldn't put the info in your profile.  As noted, that may make the legal status more spurious.

Second, SA may not like it, and you may get booted.  That said, I have seen profiles of about half a dozen SBs who mention a dollar amount as their minimum (one I saw this summer for $250 now asks $400).  

Third, it causes you to overpay.  As noted, in negotiation, make the other party give a number first.  It may be lower than you expect and are willing to pay.  

Fourth, it draws those focused on money.  These are the ones who will want taxi fare, money to meet, gifts, etc.  Of course, most SBs expect cash (I know of a few who don't), but some are TOO focused on it.

Fifth, it establishes only one parameter and ignores some possibly more important things.  You may be willing to pay up to $400, but what are you are getting for your money?  I like to know the product before discussing price.  If the SB hears $400, she may assume that she can give you a quick fuck and be done in 30 minutes.  OTOH, you are wanting 3 hours, multiple rounds, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and CIM.  Those things need to be discussed--tactfully--before discussing price.  Do you go into a restaurant and think I'm willing to spend $XX on dinner?  No, you look at the menu first.  

Sixth, one of my friends cites a range.  He claims that the women take the low point or midpoint of the range.  If I were a SB, I would think "What is wrong with me?  He paid $XXX (the top of his range) before, but he's offering me only the midpoint?"  I don't think you can assume that the midpoint will work.  When SBs have quoted me a range of what they have gotten in the past, everyone has agreed to accept the bottom of the range.  

Seventh, and most important in my view, it chases away the SBs who are interested in chemistry, which is the group that I am most interested in.  As we know, many SBs have an odd mindset about taking money for sex.  Downplaying the money issue as much as possible is the best approach in my view.  

As noted, citing a dollar amount likely will save you time in your search, because the women are effectively agreeing to that amount.  But I think you are better off spending that same amount on a pro whose menu and reviews are readily available

Yup, my dick has vetoed my brain several times!

they won't meet for a "crappy 200-300 payment".  they think this amount is beneath them.  I move on!

END OF MESSAGE

I think you have to do what you think or feel works best.  

Almost everyone is expecting money.  I do know of a few SBs who were simply looking for a nice dinner date or good sex from a clean-cut professional.  A friend saw a college student dozens of times for free.  I kept reminding him how lucky he is.  

I have a long-term investment of time in a nice GND type who was turned off by the SA scene.  I think she didn't fully understand it.  When guys made proposals to her, she was aghast.  She dropped off SA and met only me after 3-4 months on the site. She's nice and sweet. The last time I saw her, I told her I was enjoying our companionship and asked her if she was content with platonic only.  She strongly said "no."  She had never brought up money, so I raised the issue, largely because one of my friends on here insisted that she wanted money.  It's not clear that she does.  I'll know in time.

In terms of overpaying, I agree that it is typically in the $100 range, but can go as high as $200 per date. I can't afford to overpay at all.  In my situation (retired), time is more plentiful than money.  I understand how scarce free time is for many guys on here.

I may have overpaid recently in NYC.  I saw a woman whose pics looked like those of a model.  I thought she was TGTBT.  She didn't look exactly like the pics and was a little older (30-35), but she was very pretty, fit, sweet, and sexual.  We spent 4.5 hours together, including 3 hours BCD.  In discussing price, I was pretty sure that we would reach an impasse.  I expected her to ask $800-$1,000, which I would have to decline, so I didn't follow the normal negotiating process.  She asked me how much I had been paying.  I told her $300+ and never over $500, including in NYC.  To my surprise and delight, she accepted on the spot.  She even offered to call her DDG GF on the spot for the threesome, but I wasn't ready to pay extra.  She is one of the sweetest and most efficient communicators I've met. She's also pretty and sexual.

I learned much of my approach from a guy I consider my mentor.   He is now out of this business, but he went BCD with nearly 30 SBs and had 100+ dates over 2+ years.  In a high cost city, he generally paid $500, often for overnight, and was always in the $400-$600 range.  His recommendation was to mention money as late as possible.  I try to follow that approach.  If you establish chemistry, especially in person, and buy them a drink, they get frisky and willing to give ground in negotiations.  They have a choice of going home empty handed or going home with some Benjamins after having had a couple of hours of good sex.  Make that choice easy for them.

I've had a couple ask $1,000.  I told them that was not in my budget.  Instantly, they dropped their request to $500.

This was after dinner, I had met her and her friend for dinner which went just fine. I will confess it was the first time I had agreed to meet with a POT and her friend, but she assured me her friend was fun and cute so I figured what the hell, why not?

Dinner went fine, she told me she would drop her friend off and then join me for BCD time. As usual, I had not discussed allowance with her. 30 minutes later I get the dreaded text "how much allowance are you willing to pay?" To make a long story short after some back and forth she claims she has someone else who wants to see her that night who was offering $850. I told her that sounded like a great deal for her and that I hoped she enjoyed the rest of her evening. lol She immediately drops her rate to $450, I counter with $200, she counters back with $300, and we had a very nice night.  

I guess I should add she was a stripper and had that same deluded stripper mentality that so many of them have. She reached out to me a couple of more times, but did so in that BP hooker type of way, "book now as I am in high demand" I never bothered seeing her again. Dinner was a hundred bucks or so, plus $300 "allowance" add the cost of a $50 bottle of tequila we killed together and I spent about $450 for an entire evening (not overnight) of wining, dining, drinking and fucking. $450 well spent IMO. lol