Hello all. I haven't posted in a long time and did spend quite some time catching up reading all the threads since I last wrote here. Last year I was banned for good from SA after getting back in several different ways. See this thread: https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/the-erotic-highway-20/being-banned-31509?page=
So I switched to Sugar Daddy Meet and the results were satisfactory. 5-6 very high quality SB's in just under one year, including a unicorn in Tokyo that turned into a real gf relationship. The quality/total ratio was better than SA but the number of total girls on there is low and has been steadily diminishing so that the number of "quality" ones has apparently reached zero. All I can find are 18-20 year olds looking to be platonically spoiled, or a smattering of 40+ year olds looking for anything. So is it worth going through the technical and payment hassles to sneak back into SA, or has SA gone down the covid drain as well?
I'm in the same boat with SA that you are my friend and have been using Sugar Daddy Meet and Secret Benefits with not great results. I look forward to whatever constructive advice others have to offer...
I don't have any experience with the 2 other sites referenced. But my past and current experience on SA is outstanding.
Summary: A small number of messages to POT's receive a reply. Therefore, I send a lot of messages. An increasing percentage of POT's want platonic, online only or $$$/rent and tuition/international travel/Birkin bags, etc... Less than half of the POT's who return engage in chat/email actually make to an actual meet & greet's. Once at the M&G, I am in the drivers seat. About half of the M&G's lead to BCD activity.
Depending on how you've handled everything to this point, this is where SA pays dividends. Develop a roster that scratches all of your itches over and over and over again on your terms.
I continue to find SA a target rich environment, such that I see no need to even look elsewhere. To be sure, covid has changed some things. Most notably, SA Admin has had to do an about face on their policy regarding "online only" arrangements, which previously were forbidden. Now of course there are tons of profiles, both new ones and old, that say online only, no meetups until the pandemic is over. If, like me, you have zero interest in paying for pictures and videos, you will ignore those. And some that seem like good possibilities will tell you privately they are only interested in online. I decline those too of course. Since covid, the site has attracted more scammers, but also more legit potential SBs who really need some financial help and are willing to consider BCD activities to get their needs met. As before, success on SA is a numbers game. Message a bunch that appeal to you, get good replies from some, meet a few, convert several of those to BCD SBs.
What has changed more seriously, at least for me, is my own attitudes about how to play safely. Back in the good old days all we had to worry about was STDs. Now we have the covid threat which is much more like AIDS in the 1980s: there's no known cure and no effective treatment and for many people it's a death sentence. I find I'm being way, way more interested in what a potential SB says about her safety protocols than I am about her sexual preferences. I'm seriously considering becoming exclusive with just one SB, something I never considered before. I'm getting tested for covid and asking any potential SB to get tested too. You will have to be the judge of your own risk tolerance, but whatever you decide, SA is still the best bet.
This topic has been addressed before. But I've been on both SA and SB. SA has more prospects. But you have to act fast, since your subscription is time limited. You can (and should) blast broadcast to many in SA and then somehow try to schedule them all. SB is the opposite. You need to target potentials carefully, since you pay by contact. The only reason to mention SB at all is because you can slowly work your way through potentials over a period of months or years. Which fits better with limited hobby budgets or hobby time. If you have a gluttonous appetite for sex and unlimited poon budget, SA is your E ticket.
My hobby budget is certainly limited. And my appetite for sex is still strong, but nowhere near the exalted capabilities of someone like Gambler. Nevertheless, I consider maintaining a consistent profile presence on SA a basic necessity. I have not let my SA membership lapse in over 6 years. I never want to feel pressured by a limited subscription time to have to "blast broadcast to many". Also, the small number of SBs in my local area has taught me I get better results if I'm one of the first SDs to contact a new SB profile, so I always want to be aware of who's new today. Plus I want to play the long game where appropriate. I've had surprising success messaging SBs who have returned to SA after a long absence. Plus I want them to be able to find me easily when they return. A consistent presence on the site has been a basic part of my success. I renew my SA subscription in 3 month increments, so it costs me just under $1000 bucks per year. I consider it the necessary price of admission to the Sugar Bowl and would advise anyone interested to make the same membership commitment instead of jumping in and out.
I consider it an entry cost to the sugar bowl and it has paid off many times over the years. . Arrangements have a shelf life. Why that is true is a topic for some other post. But whatever your appetite & budget is for Sugaring, you will need to replace an SB from time to time. So keeping one or more POT's on deck is an excellent strategy. . Each of us needs to do their own math. If you only want to go BCD 3 or 4 times a year, it probably makes more sense to use that $1,000 in SA fees to hire a pro every quarter - no muss, no fuss. But if you are looking for much more, like 2-3 BCD's a week (not naming any names - like GaGa , you may need a rotation of 8-15 SB's to ensure you never miss an opportunity to get your dick wet, and you will likely need to rotate in 4 to 6 new SB's every quarter to replace attrition out of your rotation. . Just remember that in the Sugar Bowl... . Life is good . The Cat
Honestly, if I couldn't afford a grand a year for my SA membership, I'd seriously rethink paying for pussy in the first place.
and yes, losing SB's through attrition is just a fact of life, and sometimes it runs in streaks where ALL of them seem to disappear at the same time and other times when you have so much pussy you have to start turning some of them down no matter how healthy your appetite.
I was on SA since 2016 until the four consecutive bans last year that I linked to above and I'm running out of "tricks" to get back in. That was the purpose of my post. I wanted to know if it has deteriorated to the point that jumping through techie and credit card aliases is even worth the effort. I understand the consensus here is "yes". Are they still as aggressive as they were after Sesta in banning? Would it be worth the shot of simply emailing them and simply asking to get back in? Are they still enforcing the ban "for life" ? The only way I haven't tried is buying a Google Play Store credit at Walmart and loading it onto a new fake Google account then buying in using the Android app.
Since Herb posted those statistics showing a huge increase in SB's I assume that SD's have also increased as a result and it would seem that SA has no incentive to relax their banning policy.
I don't see that you have anything to lose by asking SA Admin to allow you back on the site. I've done it myself. Be extremely polite and contrite, explain that you did not intentionally violate their Terms of Use. If it applies, you can point out that no actual harm was caused. Be sure you read the entire Terms of Use document, an interesting exercise in its own right. Quote back to them the chapter and verse they say you violated, how much to approve the intent and understand its purpose, and that you will make sure your future participation on SA does not violate or even infringe on the spirit or letter of the law. And If your effort should fail, I'd certainly do whatever was required such as a different credit card, email address, etc, to get back on the site with a new profile. I'd be seriously unhappy otherwise.
I went the polte and contrite route and got a really rude response upholding the ban. It's especially frustrating because i know it was caused by someone making unfounded and lying accusations who presumably is still out there with her profile, etc..
I keep my SA profile open year round. The bowl is not a game where you find 1 pot that you keep around for a year or two and then move on to the next one (one pot at a time). It may be possible, but certainly NOT probable. If you are meeting weekly (or even bi-weekly) you’ll need to have a few in your rotation which means you will always be in process of losing a few (and subsequently recruiting a few). In terms of options, do whatever you have to and get back on SA. It’s still by far, the category leader. It’s always a numbers game and generally not a place where you go in, click on one profile and your set. Being on SA is no different then having a sales job. You have a few currently active relationships, you have ones where you have been corresponding heavily, maybe have even had an initial m&g, you have ones where your just starting to correspond, & and others where you are using a target list. The only way you are successful is if you have robust activity at each stage of the pipeline. No one has ever been successful in sales by making one cold call and then sitting around waiting for them to respond back. Think of it more like baseball. If I’m trying to get 2-3 hits, I need 9-10 at bats. Of the 9-10 at bats, I’m going to see 40-50 pitches, etc, You get the picture. As others have said, it will cost you around $1k/year to keep your SA profile open. If you cant swing the $1k a year, you should probably re-evaluate even being in the bowl at all.
Here's a perfect example of the wisdom of keeping your account open. About 3-4 months ago I saw a new hottie pop up on my local SA search. We began a very sexy message exchange and then she stopped replying. Fast forward a month and she returned, I messaged her, and we picked up where we left off, until the same thing happened. Fast forward another month, same thing. Just 2 days ago she returned again, said she doesn't get on SA often (duh!) and could we move to email and gave me her email address finally. I don't know if I'll wind up BCD with her or not, but the point is, if I was jumping in and out with one month of memebership at a time I'd never get the chance to find out. Keeping a consistent membership on SA is the only way you're going to succeed with some of these girls.
One with my full profile that I use normally, and another just to "favorite" girls and track who blocks me or is feeding me a line that they're off the site and whatnot... when they had their last promotion I signed-up for a month, I accidentally signed-up for both, and as expected, they gladly took my money for both.
It likely only becomes an issue if you cause problems and bring to their attention that you may be trouble.
Besides my main, paid account, I have three others, all unpaid: . 1. One with a similar profile to me, and located close (5 miles) to my real location. I use this to try to verify when a POT profile is either shut down, or she just blocked my main. I also use it to look at profiles if I'm not sure I want the POT to know I was looking at them. Finally, I use it for other experiments like changing profile info to see how that impacts my contact rate. Since it's unpaid, I can't send, read or reply to messages. But it's still useful. . 2. Another one with a similar profile, but located in my old Bay Area neighborhood. I use it for similar purposes as the one above. . 3. One as a POT SB. She's 22 now (was 19 when I created it), a smoking hot blond spinner, college student and profile text similar to what I see from POT's I usually want to meet. I use this to get a hands-on (no pun intended) look at how POT SD's use the site. And I can tell you that there are a TON of total assholes out there. It's extremely insightful and I recommend you all try this. Again, unpaid, but SB's on the site can message without paying. What "she" can't do is use most of the search filters. I've actually been surprised by the number of guys who contact "her" with only a req. to view private pics (and no message), or just a "hey", or with obviously overstated PPM or monthly offers. It's also obvious they did not read "her" profile, as there are certain items there that are ignored (no married guys, no one under 40, etc.) It makes me realize how rare those of us who follow the "caring, kind, thoughtful Daddy" script are. Plus it helps me get into the head space (again, no pun intended) of a 22-ish hottie who needs financial support. You'd be surprised at the number of guys who message "her" with bar- or club-type pickup lines, implying they are the ultimate Alpha male and that "she" should just be grateful for any attention from him. One tip for all of you SD's: Do not post pics with your shirt off... a POT SB isn't on the site to find hot guys who promise a Caviar Riches Lifestyle on a $125k annual salary. . Anyway, I recommend you try making one or two alt accounts for yourself. Create alternate emails on Gmail, Yahoo, or Protonmail. Grab pics from obscure websites - especially sites hosted outside the US - and reverse image search them to ensure they don't generate a "hit". If necessary, flip the image and/or crop it to make it less searchable. . As to OP's question about how to get unbanned, I'm no expert. I've never been banned in the 8+ years I've used the site, even when I have two or more of my alt accounts open on my browser, and all use the same IP address. But I keep them all UTR, no messages from the SD profiles, and very few messages from the SB profile. So that's why I say... . Life is good . The Cat
I had a secondary account that got banned. Was interesting because I never used it for contacting anyone. Just used it like you mentioned to check out profiles, see if my main profile got blocked, and other research. I tried the innocent not sure what I did approach to the ban and got told it was permanent and that they would not consider lifting it. Totally confused me. My main account has never had an issue (crossed fingers). lol.
And I honestly have no idea why. SA said I violated the terms of service, but I don't remember which one(s) they said I violated. I was very careful in how I spoke to SBs, took my time, didn't mention sex until we had moved over to texting, etc. (I met one SB for drinks but we really didn't click.)
Fast forward to last week when I decided to try SA again. I created a new Google email, used a VPN, and used a pre-paid Visa card for payment. And then a few days later my account was disabled with no explanation.
Would someone tell me what I did wrong when I set up the second account?
I used the same phone, but with a different browser and VPN. I even cleared the first browser's cached data for the hell of it. I posted different photos but with my face blurred.
get a pre-paid android burner phone and pay with google pay. you can buy the cards at any store. Plus you can use the android app (although you can't read profiles on it now). You can use the browser on the burner phone to access the site for reading profiles, plus get around any tracking of you IP. If you get brave or feeling lucky, you can use your regular computer to log in, but all the payment info would go through the phone.
How can my IP be tracked if I'm using NordVPN? Also, Does anyone know if SA uses some sort of facial recognition software? I'm wondering if my last account was flagged because I used my real, if slightly altered, pictures?
I was able to set up another account last night and it WASN'T disabled within a few hours of creating it like last time. I'm using the same android phone but this time I created a protonmail account, use a NY-based server (thru NordVPN), and Firefox. The only difference is I'm using a fake profile picture. So far so good, but I'm afraid to upgrade to premium and get fucked out of my money again.
I was blocked on either ECCIE or Ourhome2 last winter and when I inquired they asked if I was using a VPN. I said yes. They said try a different VPN server or provider as the one I had used was being blocked due to someone else. Go figure.
I think they track a number of things IP, e-mail address, etc. GaGa will tell you that they can and do track IP as he has seen this here on TER.
I don't know what happened. I didn't have a falling out with any SBs I was chatting up but who knows...
The new account I set up is still active and I upgraded to premium through Google play with a Visa gift card, so hopefully I finally figured out the right combination of browser, VPN, email, and profile contents (vanilla).
Didn't you have to provide a name or address for the Visa Gift card? Maybe they connected that to your first credit card address you used the first time. On a Windows pc remember to clear both cookies and supercookies when starting from scratch
For Chrome: chrome://settings/siteData?search=cookies
I've been back on SA for the last 5 days (under another alias) and after 2 days of not being kicked off I upgraded to premium through Google play store. So far so good.
The new email account, a VPN, auto-deleting all cached data from Firefox after each session, and using Google play to pay for my subscription seems to be doing the trick.
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, you may need a rotation of 8-15 SB's to ensure you never miss an opportunity to get your dick wet, and you will likely need to rotate in 4 to 6 new SB's every quarter to replace attrition out of your rotation. 