The Erotic Highway

Hail Mary!
bobby_orr 13 Reviews 1859 reads
posted
1 / 23

So went on a first meet with a SB who just moved to my area for Grad school.  
We had a drink and really hit it off, had a great time.  I end up walking her back to her place
she invites me in, we hangout talking and kissing.  

I bring up the subject of arrangement, what she is interested in/open to and what she needs for a gift.
She jokes I could pay her school bill, but does not answer my questions but asks me what I am looking for.
So I ask again more in depth as to what type of arrangement she is looking for, open to.  FWB, more dating and intimacy, etc.  How much she likes to talk/text between seeing each other, etc.  Also what she would need from me.

I ask if she cared about any of these more than the others, money/friendship/emotional support  She answered the experience/friendship was more important.  Told me she did not like to talk about arrangement/gift and left it up to me as to what I gave her.  I told her if we go out on dates and do things I would cover those expenses and asked if she would like monetary gift, if i bought her things that she may need, etc.  Was trying to figure out if she wanted money only or if taking care of some things here and there would be better suited or both.  She never responded with an answer.

  I am on a budget, I told her this, so she knows.  I was thinking of mixing things up with some gifts or help with things she needs that she tells me and some money.   Was thinking of going a little lower than I was thinking.  I plan to stay within my budget in combining these things.  We are going to be going out it seems to do things also.

 
  She does like me, likes kissing me, and wants to go on dates
I like her very much and could see us having some great times with how well we got along.  I think the sex would be great also but who knows until we do get intimate.  Which would be next date.  Also she can host at her place which is big.

I have never run into this situation before and could use some help as far as what to give her.  I have no idea on what she needs or her expectations for the most part.  Any wisdom or help from you guys would be appreciated.

RCShobby 18 Reviews 103 reads
posted
2 / 23

You need to decide what YOU want and lay down the law. She wants you to take the lead or she's stringing you along.

By the way, there is no need to tell her that you have a budget. Your budget is the amount you're willing to donate.

Just my .02

mrfisher 112 Reviews 146 reads
posted
3 / 23

with both your budget and the going rates in your area and lay it on her.

You might want to pare it back a C note just in case she counters, and you need some wiggle room.

 
In the world of business, it is the vendor that sets the price, but in this world, things get set on their head.

GaGambler 172 reads
posted
4 / 23

She has already said YES, why are you still stressing about this? She has already told you that she "doesn't like talking about these kind of things" respect her wishes and simply go with the flow.

 
There is a saying in sales which I am sure Herb will echo, "do NOT pitch beyond the close" She has already left it up to you, What you risk by continuing to press her on this is to make her feel that something that was flowing quite naturally into a transactional experience or even worse you are going to make her feel like a hooker and she dumps you completely.

 
PLEASE do yourself a favor and don't over complicate this, just do as she asks, and go with the flow unless and until she asks for more than you are prepared to give, with any luck that may NEVER happen.

bobby_orr 13 Reviews 157 reads
posted
5 / 23

Seems like she is not interested now, messaged her today about getting together this weekend and got the blow off.
Tells me her bed frame broke, "she will get back to me when she's had more sleep.  Can't really at all right now, sorry"
She is stressing out about it and worried about what to do as it is new.  
So, like a gentleman I offer assistance to her.  Tells me "maybe, actually!  Will let you know"

Went from kissing and being told she can't wait to kiss me again next to blown off!!!
I am guessing she thinks I am cheap and not worth her time.  Had a meet and greet, which I never offer any sugar for.
Guessing she was expecting something for a little kissing, also when talking I said had a budget.  Guess that was a mistake also.  Assuming she took that as me being cheap and hence she now gave me the blow off.

I bought a Sephora gift card for her today to give to her, as she said that was one of her favorite stores.  Would have given it to her on our second date for our first meet and money for second date.  Guess not!!!

Have been on for 5 weeks and it has been a total waste of time.  Finally meet someone that is what I am looking for, have great connection with, etc and seems like I have blown it.

I am guessing there is nothing I can do to salvage this now...  

Have around 3 weeks left on this membership, will send out hundreds more messages and I am sure it will be a total waste of time, just like the past 5 weeks.  

Boston sucks for SB right now.

ShockBoogie 43 Reviews 108 reads
posted
6 / 23

It's best never to get into the 'service recovery' situation.  Do what you can "within your framework" not to have to go back and ask for a second chance.

We've all been in the situation where an initial meet and greet goes well.  I always push either for BCD or a 2nd meet and greet depending on the SB.  Never discuss my budget or dollar amount unless pressed.  Lot's of info on this board who to handle this situation.  But in your case, sounds like you could have gone BCD without an exact $ amount being discussed.  You snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.  

What you should do next time is show the SB a phenomenal time, charm, conversation, food, drink, etc...and then give her the best fuck of her life.  Then you decide how much you want to see her based on your own happiness factor and  give $ accordingly.

bobby_orr 13 Reviews 110 reads
posted
7 / 23

After sleeping on it there is another possible reason why she is blowing me off now after being interested.
When we went back to her place and only kissed some she may be disappointed we did not do more
so she may feel rejected by me if she is one of those girls.

I may send one last ditch message giving it a shot to see if I can salvage this
May say something about coming over with a bottle of wine, could find something to help her around the apartment, maybe something about there may have been a misunderstanding and would like a chance to explain or set straight
I don't know.  What do you guys think???

So disappointed!

bobby_orr 13 Reviews 112 reads
posted
8 / 23

Have never met one who did not want to talk arrangement before   did not know how to handle it
I like to get things settled before hand as have run into problems when I have not

Other thing is I never go BCD on first meet, even if they want to.
Inviting me back to her place I can assume she wanted to get busy

So looks like I really blew it with this one, she would have been good, I know it.
Really do not see a way to save this one either, had a great time too.

Took 5 weeks to find her   Really disappointed, there are so few good ones in Boston

Will be kicking myself for a long time as I am not going to meet another like her in the next 3 weeks

Thanks for whoever responds with help or suggestions on trying to save this one.  
Would be much appreciated...

GaGambler 146 reads
posted
9 / 23

What would possess you to say NO to a girl willing, even eager to go BCD with you on the first date? You're from the hooker world, I am willing to bet you fucked every hooker you ever met on the first date, Why the apprehension with SB's?

 
I honestly don't know how you fix this, it's so much easier not to fuck it up in the first place than it is to fix things once you fucked them up.

 
I hate speaking in absolutes, but there really are some things you should NEVER do, and one of them is to tell a POT SB right out of the gate that you are "on a budget" What she hears when you say this is "I am CHEAP" not the words a POT wants to hear.  

 
I know I always seem to come back to sales techniques, but they are just so applicable hear, another thing you NEVER do is to try to overcome objections that don't exist, she didn't want to talk about money, you tried to FORCE her to do so. I have had SB's where we fucked three or four times before the subject of money ever came up. NO this is not the usual but SB's are not necessarily like hookers a LOT of them HATE to think of themselves as hookers and the topic of money makes them feel like a hooker which in turn gives them cold feet. All you have to do is to reassure them without being direct about things like PPM is to let them know that if they need anything you will be there to help, What's the worst thing that can happen? She can ask you for ten grand AFTER you've tapped her ass a few times and you say NO. You are still a winner even if you have to dump her later. PLEASE quit making this more complicated than it needs to be.

 
Yes, you REALLY blew this one, she sounds like a keeper. and I am very interested in hearing your reason for NOT going BCD on the first date even if she is willing? This I have to hear.

refinedtwist925 102 reads
posted
10 / 23

Not to pile on here, but sounds like you let this one slip past you. You had already hinted around regarding you had a budget and she told you she didn’t want to talk too much about it. She may have been thinking the same thing as you in that “maybe I’ll go BCD and then decide what I want”. Either way, in this type of situation, go with the flow.  If she was after a set amount, the moment you say the word budget, it would have triggered her. I think this is a case where you stopped on the green light and she is behind you wondering why you would stop in the middle of the intersection, with no one else around, when you have a full green light, and the car has plenty of gas, and..and..and...

ShockBoogie 43 Reviews 136 reads
posted
11 / 23

No more piling on as that would be a personal foul for unnecessary roughness. To answer your question and sticking with the football theme, it's 4th and long with the clock at :01.  Time for a Hail Mary pass.

I would text an extremely thoughtful, but brief message saying how much you enjoyed her company, you look forward to seeing her again for (fill in whatever she likes) and finishing the discussion on how I will help pay her tuition.  If she responds, read her text carefully for the hidden 'women' clues, and eliminate any ideas that you are cheap and on a budget.

Remember, She is a SB.  Highly unlikely that she is on SA looking for friends...she needs cash and is willing to trade her number 1 asset for it.  

Good luck.  We are all pulling for you.

herbtcat 6 Reviews 125 reads
posted
12 / 23

As GaGa mentioned, she told you everything you need to know.  
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1. She's willing to fuck
2. She happy to go out on dates and be girlfriend-ish.  
3. She doesn't want to be treated like a hooker - so no discussion of a specific allowance
4. She wants Daddy to make decisions and not be a wishy-washy pussy.  
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You have now unchecked all her boxes (no pun intended):  
1. You did not fuck her
2. You did not schedule a next date
3. You kept asking for permission to be a John
4. You refused to make any meaningful decisions
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If you have taken the lead the first time you started making out by touching her boobs and pussy, then starting to unbutton/unzip her clothes, you would have been balls deep in the next 10 minutes.  
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If you had just slipped her $$ or $$$ when you/she went home (put it in an envelope, or slide it into her purse - just don't hand it to her like she is a street hooker), and she was happy, you'd be balls deep again the next date. If she was not happy with the allowance, she would have found a way to tell you ("Thank you for my present, I would appreciate some more help with my bills...").  
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You had one more chance when she told you her bed frame broke... "Hey Babe, I'll get us a room tonight and call a repair service to fix your bed while we chill at the Marriott with room service."
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Yes, you always need to be aware of "no's" and respect them. But not all "yes's" are said with a dollar amount.  
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The fact that she's in the Sugar Bowl generally means she's looking to be taken care of, she's probably (but not always) on the submissive side, and she's looking for Daddy to make (some) decisions for her.  
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The good news is that in the three days since you posted this, at least 2,500 women turned 18 years old in your state.  So...
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Life is good.
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The Cat

bobby_orr 13 Reviews 116 reads
posted
13 / 23

It's ok guys I deserve to be piled on, I definitely screwed this up

So she texted me, made a joke and said she had been giving it a lot of thought and if we had an arrangement/relationship  or whatever she would want financial assistance.  So she thought I was cheap and looking for a freebie  yup!

Told her I think there was a misunderstanding.  Why don't I come over with a bottle of wine and make it so we are both happy.  When are you free?  She said all weekend and I am going over tonight with 2 bottles of wine and a set of wine glasses for her,  Since she just moved here and has none.  Not giving her the Sephora card, saving it until she or another sb deserves it.

She mentioned something about putting her ac in then said to me:  Did you want to come over a bit earlier?
Said she is going to have someone from task rabbit come install her ac at 9:30 pm.  Told her maybe we should schedule for another day then.  We had plans for 7 and she wants to have someone come at 9:30 to install an ac    

She tells me would that not give us enough time together or she can change it to tomorrow..
I told her I am busy today and can't come earlier so let's reschedule, then apparently she says she is very tired and dumb as she booked it for tomorrow.  See you tonight then!  

Called her out on that bs.  install an ac at 9:30 pm on a Saturday night.  Who believes that?

Starting to get the feeling even though she agreed to meet that the momentum has been lost and things are different on her end now.  If things do not start off well when I get there I may just cut bait.

Will update

hobby48 18 Reviews 94 reads
posted
14 / 23

Yes sir, it is time to go find another one!   This one is too much work.   Mist be an easier one to bag.  

DragonRider69 12 Reviews 120 reads
posted
15 / 23

I have a SB I pay her $60 when we BCD.   I've been seeing her for about 6 years.  She doesn't do it for the money...she loves to FK.  The money makes her feel better about herself.  But at the end of the day she would FK me for nothing.

So it sounds to me like you should feel her out for what amount makes her happy.

bobby_orr 13 Reviews 144 reads
posted
16 / 23

So went over Saturday night, things were better than I could have imagined to be honest.

The install ac that night was obviously a shit test to see if I was weak.  When I walked in her apartment she came over and gave me a big kiss.  She loved the wine glasses I gave her, we drank win, talked, made out, had great sex as we are into same things, invited me to stay over, so I did   Next day took her dog to the dog park down the street, then went and had breakfast together.

We hung out a little while at her place after breakfast, I dropped a card on the table when we were sitting and talking
She never even bothered with it, asked it was a birthday card.  The night before in bed she brought up arrangement.  I asked what did she need.  Told me $2,500 a month.  I told her I was not there but was more than happy to help her as much as I could and could offer her much more than just monetary support.  Also told her I did not expect her to only spend time with me and that would not be an issue at all.  

She is looking for more than just money, as she wants to have fun, good sex, be treated well.  Seems like she wants romance also and could be gf material.
The money is important to her as she in grad school and worried about finances.

So what I left in the envelope must have made her happy as she is texting me and not brought it up.
We may get together this coming weekend and want to explore each other more in and out of bed...

ShockBoogie 43 Reviews 95 reads
posted
17 / 23

Congratulations!  Well played.  Hope you enjoy a phenomenal arrangement with the young lady.

herbtcat 6 Reviews 129 reads
posted
18 / 23

Lessons learned?  
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Life is good.  
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The Cat

Badboy1234 10 Reviews 121 reads
posted
19 / 23

How much of the $2,500 did you leave her?

YBenL 96 Reviews 104 reads
posted
20 / 23

She did hint multiple times for you to take the lead! So there might be more interestin your directions!?

bobby_orr 13 Reviews 109 reads
posted
21 / 23

Yes, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.  Go with the flow and do not force things that do not need to be forced.

Still trying to get a read on this chick, she will text me, I respond then never hear back from her the rest of the day.
She has done this twice this week and it really annoys me.  

Also she has asked me for something already, it is small, but seems she may be playing or is going to use me.
Texted me about the drink Spindrift and how she just had her first and did not know what she was missing in her life.
Also said she SWEARS she is into me for a myriad of reasons.  She did not ask for it but threw the line out seeing how I would respond to it.  Of course I will get her some, it is no big deal and only a few dollars but will be watching to see if a pattern develops.

Not sure if her initial interest is really genuine in liking me after these few things.  If they really like you they respond to your texts after you respond to theirs and looking to see if I would get her the Spindrift.

I am not naive but would like what I had before where it was more than just about the money and actually really liked each other, was not just about the money, etc.  Have a feeling she put an act on to get me to see her, will be paying close attention to see if she is what I am looking for or just someone to fuck.  

bobby_orr 13 Reviews 124 reads
posted
22 / 23

Have plans to see her tomorrow and go do something fun.  I will be expecting we have more sex than last week and multiple times.  Will be expecting to stay over since she has set the precedent last visit of asking/telling me to stay.

Will be interesting to see how she is this date.  I do not have a good feeling about things in my gut.

refinedtwist925 97 reads
posted
23 / 23

She could be playing you or she could just be super flaky (sounds more of a flake then a game player because if she was playing you, she would have started to clue in on your desire for consistent communication, etc and she would be stringing you along on getting together). This is one that you ultimately have to decide for yourself whether it’s worth effort. Your clearly looking for a deeper connection and when she’s with you, it seems she will provide that but with a super flakey baby, you will have to go through a fair amount of frustration in getting the actual meets set up. The complete honest advice is that the bowl is filled with pot’s so you should always look to fill your rotation with ones that meets all your needs and requirements. If your rotation is a little light, seems fine to add to the mix and you already know going in that she will be a little flaky on you.

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