Funnily enough I was expecting the immediate ban when I started using the Android app because both it and my previously banned PC both go through my router which connects to my ISP with the same IP. So somehow I don't think they ban by IP.
I started using the Android app at first without going through the router. I disabled wifi and used my T-Mobile. After a week or so I was distracted and launched the SA app while on the wifi and my router. To my surprise no trigger.. I then started using the SA account on a different laptop still through the same router/IP. No ban. It was good for about 3 weeks until I gave out the damned Google Voice number I had used before. Sugar Daddy Meet is $50/month for unlimited messaging and searching. Their PC software and apps are pretty good. The main downside is the lack of girls although I've chatted with some that are also on SA. I'm only in my first week so I'll review it when my month is up.After several years of blissful satisfaction with SA, they have kicked me off. Someone set me up apparently, made a false accusation and poof, I was gone (I note that SA apparently waited until it was time for me to renew and then put thhe hammer down). I've tried to get back in to no avail. Set up a new profile, but no luck, etc, they bounced me again.
I know this problem has been mentioned elsewhere on this board but would love a summing up -- a) is there anyway to get back in and b) failing that, is there consensus on the best alternative(s)?
Many thanks!
I took a break for a few months and was able to get back in.
about the details as to why/how they "bounced" you. I haven't heard of guys getting bounced off of a site that NEEDS customers in order to keep the ladies advertising unless they did something completely our of line. I don't know how someone else could "set you up" for that. There is a fringe element on most sites like this that turn out to be abusers, stalkers, etc. You should be able to appreciate the reluctance of other guys here to advise you on how to get back in without knowing what you did, or what happened that got you booted out. Just my take.
In most cases the guys inadvertently brought it upon themselves by acting like a "john" rather than a Sugar Daddy, IOW talking about "sex for money" "PPM" etc., but in other cases it appears that they just pissed off the wrong POT SB who turned them in for stuff they never did and it appears in many cases that SA will act first and ask questions later.
Keep in mind that FOSTA/SESTA has all the "adult" sites running scared, they would rather err on the side of caution than risk having the full weight of the US government coming down on their head. I would love to give the OP some advice on how to get back on, but aside from trying to set up a new account from a brand new device that he has never used to log onto SA in the past, along from using a brand new URL, and most definitely NOT trying to "trick" them by using a VPM or other masking service, I honestly don't know what else to suggest.
The advice I can give, which of course will be of no help to the OP, is to the rest of you using SA, be VERY careful, just as careful as you are when contacting a TER provider to NEVER mention sex for money, PPM, or anything else that could be construed as you looking to pay for sex. ESPECIALLY when using SA's messaging service. It is "probably" safe to have these conversations by text or email, but it's an easy matter for a pissed off and/or BSC POT SB to simply screen shot your conversation and use it to get you kicked off the site. Yes, a lot of POT SB's are BSC and it's tempting to "tell them off", but before doing so, ask yourself if it's worth getting kicked off the site just to make yourself feel better for a minute because "you told her" I live in hooker Siberia, if I were to get kicked off of SA, I would most likely have to (heaven forbid) get a fucking girlfriend (or a couple of them) if I wanted to have any kind of sex life at all.
I got banned 4 times. The first one was for talking PPM but after that was SA connecting my new accounts to my old one and bouncing me. Here are the ways I figured they connected the accounts:
- using the same credit card as the first account
- on a PC they keep track of cookies and supercookies even if you change credit card.
- I switched to the Android app and subscribed by paying through Google Pay instead of a CC
- This worked until I messaged a POT and gave her the same phone number as I had used in a previous banned account. Their software connected the phone numbers in the body of the messaging.
- set up new Android app account and it worked until it came time to pay. I didn't realize that you have to set it up under a different Google ID on the phone because as soon as I tried to pay using Google Pay - pow!
Finally gave up and I switched to Sugar Daddy Meet. It's the same but only $50 but fewer girls
I knew all about using the same CC, the same email address, ANY of the same devices, but that last little tidbit about them connecting a phone number in a message is news to me. I guess we learn something everyday. Sorry you got bounced, but thanks for the useful information.
BTW, I have never even heard of Sugar Daddy Meet. The only other site I use besides SA is Secret Benefits. It hardly costs anything as you only pay when you message a new POT SB, they had a special of 1,000 credits for a not much more than a hundred bucks, but I guess you get what you pay for as I have gotten VERY little back for my money. Would you say that Sugar Daddy Meet is worth the while checking out?
one 2 E for fife b 7 ate 9 . That way, you could post a phone number in such a way that the computers could NEVER figure out that "5 for E" is really "543" or "b 7 ate" is "678".
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Some people won't use that system because they just h8 secret codes. I'm just trying to be helpful.
Too late to modify and add to my post but I meant to include other BP tricks: symbols, spaces, etc.. to disguise words and make them undetectable to LE. "Do you want to f*u&c#k?" or "Call me: 9*8*7-6$5$4-3-2-1-0." Is that enough to escape detection by the SA computers?
The only way to find out for sure is for someone banned, to not only get back on, but get banned again even after using your suggestion. Alternatively I suppose if someone got banned, used this method and then did NOT get banned again, it wouldn't be "proof" that it worked, but I suppose it would be a good indicator.
I think a more surefire solution would be to either get a burner phone, or just as good, use a new Google Voice or texting app that gives you a new number not associated with the banned account.
If a banned phone number being mentioned in a SA message will set off a trigger in the SA software, if makes me wonder what other keywords will set off an SA trigger. Could perhaps the simple use of the term "PPM" set off the same red flag in their system?
I don't know about the rest of you, but while I am already VERY careful in how I phrase things in my SA messages I am going to redouble my efforts in being cautious and to NOT inadvertently use any "trigger" term that would flag my account for additional scrutiny or outright banning.
BTW I do think your suggestion has merit, but I am a bit worried that while it's highly unlikely that SA would have software capable of figuring out the actual number being referenced without a human taking a look at it, I do believe it's not just possible, but likely that SA would have something in their software that would flag "coded" numbers like 9*7*8*5*5*5*1*2*1*2 for further review by a human, who could then run the decoded number to see if it's flagged. Personally, after hearing about the lengths SA has gone to keep banned members banned, if I were ever banned and I snuck back on, I would make sure that EVERYTHING in the new account was indeed NEW. New device/s, new email, new IP address, new form of payment, new EVERYTHING.
The phone number tracking is an interesting new piece of information.
I've always used (and recommend) the Burner app, which you can get on iPhone and Android. I'm sure there are others, but regardless of which app you use, it's really easy to create new virtual numbers as needed. It's an extra bit of complexity to manage, especially if you end up using different numbers with different Sbs, but it will keep SA off your back.
Funnily enough I was expecting the immediate ban when I started using the Android app because both it and my previously banned PC both go through my router which connects to my ISP with the same IP. So somehow I don't think they ban by IP.
I started using the Android app at first without going through the router. I disabled wifi and used my T-Mobile. After a week or so I was distracted and launched the SA app while on the wifi and my router. To my surprise no trigger.. I then started using the SA account on a different laptop still through the same router/IP. No ban. It was good for about 3 weeks until I gave out the damned Google Voice number I had used before.
Sugar Daddy Meet is $50/month for unlimited messaging and searching. Their PC software and apps are pretty good. The main downside is the lack of girls although I've chatted with some that are also on SA. I'm only in my first week so I'll review it when my month is up.
I think any discussion of money could cause SA to scrutinize your messages in ways that could be problematic. But the SB's don't understand this. I often get messages that ask quite boldly, and perhaps innocently, "so how much allowance are you offering". I always tell them that while I am totally comfortable providing $ome $ugar, I'd rather discuss that offsite or in person.
This is supposed to be a free f'kn country not communist China or Russia. It's a violation of our Constitutional right to free speech to have f'kn robots censoring our speech. This shit needs to go.
I think all of us here share your outrage about this horrendous bit of legislation. Website operators can now be held criminally liable for something some other person said! It's a direct thread to our First Amendment right to free speech. What's perhaps even more chilling is that this law was disguised as a way to fight sex trafficking and was sold to our legislators in that guise. And they all bought it, hook line and sinker. My own state has 2 prominent liberal senators. they both voted for this P.O.S. I contacted both of them shortly after Sesta/Fosta was passed but got no reply to my complaint. Just goes to show that eternal vigilance is needed to preserve our freedoms. And even then....