Seems like there is this new wave of girls on seeking arrangement that are focused on finding a non-sexual relationship.  I read one today that said if you are some type of a freak and  creep looking for sex with me then you are out of your mind?  Her expectation was substantial.  So are there really guys with a lot of money willing to throw a bunch of add it to a young woman just to go spend money on her for dinner?  One even said she expected $100 when I met her to take her to dinner at the nicest restaurant in town just for me to prove that I was serious.  Damn I wish I had a pussy

These dickless paypig motherfuckers are ruining it for all of us.  Buncha shitbirds. They are encouraging this #moneyfornothing attitude. A-holes.

but I suppose there are some. When a girl tells me she wants a non sexual arrangement I tell her it's her body, her decisions,but she's on the wrong website if she thinks she's going to find that on SA. As for those who xpect money just to meet for coffee, I always decline. I tell them I,m hoping both of us will be so eager to meet and explore the possibilities that we should both be willi g to nvest an hour to meet and check each other out.  If we don't click, we've had a nice conversation, no harm, no foul. If risking a "wasted" hour is too big of a risk for a girl, how interested in me can she possibly be?

As with all aspects of Sugar Dating, it comes down to a numbers game. Last night I had a fantastic, no holes barred date with a slim 26yo cutie who had a voracious appetite for sex  and understood I was in town just for a brief stay, so it would be a one time thing. We had dinner, I asked her if she was ready to go BCD and she was even more ready than I was! Think of any TER acronym and we probably did it. Honestly, I could give her a well earned 10 for her performance, even by current TER standards. And all this entertainment for a gift of a mere $200!  But my point is, I sent out over 40 messages to SBs in this locale and sifted through them to find this one gem. If a girl's expectations don't match yours, just move on to the next one, or the next 40, till you find what you want.

As a philosophy major, I seem to recall that Plato didn't have an awful lot of drachmas back then.

 
Now Aristotle, on the other hand....

You are absolutely right that spineless, "dickless paypig motherfuckers" fuck it up for the rest of us. Just like the BSU on the other boards of TER fuck it up for us in the hooker world.

I think the words to live by in both the hooker and sugar worlds are "Don't reward bad behavior"

Every time some dickless hecunt gives a girl a hundred bucks "just for showing up" and doesn't get so much as a good night kiss at the end of the night, he has just ensured that she is going to do the exact same thing to the next dozen guys she sees because now she is convinced this is the way things are "supposed to be" and every other dumb mother fucker who pays just to watch her eat reinforces that mind set.

Out of the dozens and dozens of "first dates" I have had with SB's, I have given a grand total of $70 and a tank of gas to women I did not have sex with, other than the cost of the date itself. One girl got $50 from me because her life was simply pathetic and I honestly felt sorry for her, another got $20 from me for gas money, and I bought a third girl a tank of gas, but that wasn't an actual date, I met her at the gas station, filled up her tank and we were supposed to have a date the next night, but I was the one who cancelled, not her. (too fat for my taste. lol)

Unless the girl acts like sex is disgusting, I don't mind seeing a girl who talks abut "Not being a hooker", but when they flat out say "NO SEX" why would I even waste my time. A girl who states she "won't put out on the first date" is also fine with me, but if she doesn't "put out" then neither do I. I don't mind how long it takes for a girl to become "comfortable enough" to fuck me, just as long as she doesn't expect to be getting paid while "making up her mind" as to whether or not she's going to have sex with me. lol

Sometimes it like "WTF, doesn't ANYONE want to fuck?" and other times there are very few of those types of ads.

I go almost as much on "tone" as I do the actual words. Some women who act like they are virginal and not open to sex turn out to be quite willing to hop in the sack with you "IF" you know how to push their buttons and don't treat them like a hooker. Others are true to their word and expect a six month "courtship with pay" before so much as holding hands.

It's a numbers game, and as such it's only for guys who don't consider the time put into it to make it work as "work" It's all entertainment to me and since none of the scammers have any kind of chance of ever scamming me. (after 43 years of seeing hookers, no young SB is capable of EVER putting one over on me) even the bad dates have entertainment value and cost next to nothing but my time.

The key is to not get pissed, but simply move on to the next one.

droopy dog like me is going to pay (except maybe for lunch/dinner meetup to make sure we are on same page) without sex.  And pay a fee to just have that first meet?  FUGETABOUTIT!.  Too many fish out there for that.  I like to make sure BEFORE the initial meet that they understand what it means to be in a SD/SB relationship.  

Or I have more fun "playing the game" Maybe it's because I have spent so much time in the hooker world, to the tune of literally thousands of different girls, who of course are all a "sure thing"  I think I have come to kind of like the uncertainty of meeting a girl who while being predisposed to fucking an "old guy" like me, is hardly a "sure thing"  

One other thing about not having a clear cut "arrangement" set up before meeting is that it "sometimes" leads to total freebies. Now I am not talking about being a "Splenda daddy" who is out there trying to do this on the cheap, it's just fun sometimes to know I charmed my way into a girl's pants without a clear cut agreement to pay for it, even though I usually end up giving those girls MORE money than the ones who are completely mercenary.

I know most guys like the "sure thing" maybe this is just a phase I am going through after several decades in the hooker world. I guess it is kind of like fishing for your dinner, but fishing in a well stocked pond. It gives me the illusion of catching my own dinner, but it's not like there is much of a risk of starving to death. lol

But paying just for a coffee date, You are absolutely correct FUGETABOUTIT!!! That is just not going to happen, if for no other reason than to maintain my self respect not to mention my man card.

Good boy! You are coming along nicely!     .... ducks for cover....

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I just renewed my SA membership yesterday and even though I have had several successful arrangements, I had forgotten what a bloodbath SA can be as far as the number of messages you need to send to get any hits. I've sent 8-10 messages so far and only 1 hit me back to view my private pics (and then she never responded lmao!). I was starting to get a bit discouraged but then I read that you sent 40 to find your dime and that gave me hope to keep at it.  

Persistence and thick skin is definitely key! Hopefully I will be rewarded again soon lol!

Is it ok if I lay my pecker on your leg while we talk?    Really.      

Just had one ask me if uninterested because she said sex was off table. I asked her what she is doing on site if that is off table.  

Her response:

"Because I have class and you can't put a price on that"
 Then proceeds to block me, haha

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I'm catching my own dinner.  Dude you hit the nail with that one!  Keep on waxing poetic!

Very true, junglegym. Good thing is that these girls leave as soon as they join. However there are some girls who have been having success getting paid for expensive dinner dates just cause some guys think they can make them change their mind by showing some money, but trust me these girls are smarter than that, best we ignore them. I just tell them that I can pay for coffee/lunch to meet them but no arrangement unless there are benefits