So a dead POT lead texted me out of the blue.  I had deleted the previous text messages so I was at a loss as to who she was.  She sent photos that I recognized as ones she had sent before.  Very attractive.  She wanted to "get right to it" lol.  So we discussed $ and such.  She sent over a small vid clip of her in the shower.  Red flag #1.  Next thing I know she wants to sext.  Which was great for me, lol.  Because she was sending more vids of her playing with her self.  So we went to discuss meeting up.  I mentioned condoms and she responded that she liked it raw. Red flag #2 (but hey who doesn't like it raw).  Wanted to know if I was clean (no requirement to prove it).  Had a long list of things that were her rules.  All were actually reasonable until..... First date payment had to be upfront via cash app before the date, not real cash.  Red Flag#3 and deal killer. lol. Had a long mantra as to why she was done with assholes promising things and then leaving her the bills or not paying as promised.  Oh and then she said that after the first date, she does prefer cash. lol.  What first date?  She was gonna get the funds and never be heard from again. lol.  I could not believe that she would not see how this was never going to happen.  I even offered to give her 20% upfront and the rest in cash when we meet.  Wouldn't take it. It was all or nothing.  I just said well its not happening and went to bed.  The next morning she starts texting me again.  Asking if I had slept on it was I willing to pay her upfront. 🤦‍♂️  When I told her how sketchy this was she then offered to make it 50% upfront.  I laughed!!! like I was even going to bite.  SMH these scammers a brazen.

Once you give them any amount of money upfront (gas, babysitter, manicure, etc.), you will never see or hear from them again. No exception. SA is full of them now.

Our one absolute sugar-dating rule:  NEVER send money in advance - EVER!  

 
It saved you here. It's saved all of us in the past. It will save us all in the future.  

 
Even in the 0.0000001% chance that she was legit - and perhaps had been scammed by shithead SD's - any arrangement you would get would be based on ongoing distrust and a misalignment of goals.   Those are the arrangements that tend to end quickly, and on bad terms.  

 
For me, I always download all profile pics to a folder and keep all my past text messages in my phone. I know that's not possible (or at least not very easy) for those who need "OpSec."  But getting a text from a "new" SB that automatically links to past messages has saved my ass (and my wallet!) more than once.  Once she texts me, or I enter her number to start a new text, I can see the last messages exchanged. And it takes me about a minute to find the turd in the punchbowl that killed my interest last time.  

 
On a related note: I find it interesting to see an SB I've already rejected show up with a new profile. All too often she will contact me 1st without any apparent memory of our previous contact.  Obviously, I have no problem connecting with a serial SB who's been on the site long enough to have had several arrangements. In some ways, these can make for really good arrangements as she has already level-set expectations.  But I suppose I am naive to think she'd avoid wasting cycles on SD's that were and probably still are not a good match.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

No, I'm not disagreeing with Herb, whose assessment is spot on as usual.  And your ability to notice the red flags is spot on also.  I'm just thinking about how beneficial it can be, for the SB, when she trusts you to take care of her.  Two recent examples from my experience:  My sweetest 25 yo SB is slim, super hot, and seems to really like me (go figure!).  We've been dating for over a year now.  She told me not long ago that her favorite winter sport is snow boarding and she can't wait to get back on her favorite mountain, about a 2 hour drive from my home.  She wanted a season pass, and mentioned I could get her one instead of our regular allowance for one visit.  Well, no way I was going to be cheap with her.  I got her the season pass, and I also got her a $250 motorcycle helmet she needed, which was a total surprise, and of course I also gave her our normal ppm allowance.  She was very blown away, and is now talking about overnighting with me to the ski resort next winter and would I like to go with her!  

I got a text from a SB I was regular with several years ago.  She's a super cute Latina, just 4'11".  There's something about tiny girls that drives me crazy!  Anyway, she asked me for $40 to help her out of a jam.  I said nope, $40 is not enough and instead I sent her $100.  She's eager to show her appreciation, if I can just find the time to squeeze her into my schedule!  

These are small investments which will pay big dividends in the bedroom!  My point is that when there's real mutual trust established the payoffs are great for both parties.  When a SB demands $ in advance she's actually sinking her own ship.

I laughed at the way this woman worked.  To Herb's point, once she started with the "I like to get right too it" comment, I remembered why the conversation died out as I had in the previous text exchanged mentioned a meet and greet.  Her response was "Don't you want to fuck a hot young blonde!".  I had said if that was all I wanted to do, I could do that on another site with a lot less work than SA.  So the to Tomcats comment about the 20%, it was a red herring.  I already knew that she wasn't going to bite on the 20%.

BTW, she sent me another video today of her shaking her ass. lol.  Followed by an Oops wrong person!  I responded No worries! and Shake that booty!  She followed it with You know it was to the right person. lol.  At this point, its just cheap entertainment for me!!!! LMAO

Her persistence makes me wonder what she actually is thinking.  Maybe she thinks you're some desperate guy who's starved for feminine companionship and will eventually do what she wants.  Cuz why else would we be online if we weren't desperate, right?  Little does she know that she has real competition out there,  Sweet sugar babies who want the same things we want, plus a bit of $ugar to help them out.

Being a Provider/Escort since I was eighteen & a half........I have been screwed over three times (That includes being on this site). And as far the Sugar Daddy sites are concerned.......There are Sugar Daddies on the SD sites that try to get a SB's bank account (Just so the SD can take money out of the SB's account and add a little extra money to what he/she took out of the SB's Bank Account and then return the money back into the account). I have learned to put my foot down and tell the Sugar Daddies/Hobbyists that once we meet face to face payment has to be made upfront to assure that the Hobbyists/Sugar Daddies are 100% serious. There's a lot of Sugar Daddies/Hobbyists who love to play games once they meet the SB/Provider (Such as saying "I don't pay for  sex &/or services that the SB/Provider provides).  So, that's why Females start their shit and try to use the same shit against the guys that she deals with.  Instead of just saying that once they meet face to face then he (Hobbyist/SD) needs to make payments per visit upfront.

There are lots of bad people on both sides.  This one was on the female side.  I don't doubt that she had been mistreated by some guys, just like all of us here have been treated badly by some OT SBs.  I will generalize and say the crew here are not the type to pull that kind of shit on women.  We like them too much and want to get in their panties.