Yup, I've found my way back here. Rather astounding considering my general level of tech savvy, or lack thereof. But I'm so motivated, and I missed this forum a lot. So I found a tech savvy friend to teach me about such arcane subjects as VPN, TOR, etc. Yay, now I'm a power user! (ok maybe not, but at least I'm here)
On to more germane subjects. I have a new experience lined up for this cumming Saturday and wonder if anybody else has done this. I met a new SB for coffee last week and we simply hit it off amazingly well. Talked for two hours and discovered we had an awful lot in common. We agreed to go BCD for our second date. Well, turns out I've got the house to myself this weekend. Wifey and her BF are off together for an out of state workshop. So I invited my new SB to join me at my home. She lives an hour train ride away and much to my surprise has chosen the earliest train so we can spend the whole day together, doing what comes natural of course, but probably also going for a motorcycle ride, visiting a cool local museum, getting some food somewhere, and generally hanging out. She even said she might be willing to spend the night. I know this is putting a lot of high stakes expectations on this first intimate date, but I have high hopes. Anybody else done this?I also missed it but found a way in right away. Hope all others join back soon, but we do need an alternate backup place. I suggest reddit if we can keep our typing clean 
I don't know what reddit is but if it's a good backup plan I approve!
When I spend a day with a gal, it's only about 25% of the time in bed, and the rest out doing "stuff".
So, the wifey has BFs, eh? My wifey had BFs also, and I thought I had the world by the balls, until she figured out that she could have my cake and eat it too. Here's hoping you beat the odds.
What's BF? Boyfriend, best friend, buttfucker?
all three! Hey, she let's me do whatever I enjoy, so can't very well mind when she does the same.
This sounds like an ideal SB date for me, as long as the sugar does not increment with each hour spent together. Of course the more time you spend with her, the more you will spend on various activities, but that's not the same as her charging by the hour.
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You might want to do some advance recon along your motorcycle route to see if there are any interesting restaurants or landmarks along the way you can visit. It will let her know you are an experienced guy who curates the best places to see and hang. She'll appreciate that you thought about taking her to the otherwise "out of reach" places for her budget. As your day unfolds you can stick to your "plan" or not depending on her reaction/appreciation/mood, of course. Look for places that will make great memories - beautiful views, unique experiences, amazing & exotic food - so she assocoiates you with those moments and memories.
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Then take home and give her a dozen O's before you even think of your own. I'm serious about that. It's an important moment. If she finds out you provide great experiences AND give her more sexual pleasure than she's ever received from all her past HS and college jock BF's combined, she'll totally invest in her sugar relationship with you. And that's without having to double up on straight sugar. It's the suagr that gets her into the bowl, but the endorphins you generate that will keep her there.
Herb, thanks for the thoughtful encouragement! I offered her the same very modest sugar of $200 that I'm accustomed to which she said was great. I don't expect her to upsell but we shall see. I've already thought about the interesting spots to stop and show her the sights, do a bit of shopping and make some memories. As for her Os, I'm with you 100%. I can't wait to explore her capacity for pleasure!
I would never "book" an overnight date with an online hooker unless we already had history, but I have had many dates with hookers "turn into an overnight" because we were having fun and neither of us had any reason to stop. This seems to happen much more often out of the country than here at home though.
Where it comes to SB's, especially in your case where you have already spent a couple of hours together and you left wanting more I don't see any reason in the world not to consider spending the night with her. I will confess to having done overnight dates with POT SB's where it was "expected" that we would spend the night together sight unseen. I have also had several "first dates" with POT SB's where we met for dinner as a M&G and ended up spending the entire night together.
My suggestion is not to put any "high stakes expectations" on the date, just enjoy it minute by minute and before you know it you'll be having morning sex with her after a great evening together.
BTW it's nice to hear conversation moving back to having fun and not just lamenting the pain that FESTA/SESTA is causing many of us. I have to confess, except for cutting back on my posting on the boards FESTA/SESTA is having virtually zero impact on me personally, I still hate it as much as anyone, but I have been playing mainly in the Sugar Bowl for the past two years now and as most of us here now, in the Sugar World it's pretty much business as usual and I hope it stays that way.
As I was receiving a BBBJ from a 21 year old tiny spinner in a local strip club yesterday, I was momentarily thinking similar thoughts. Yes, one of the three "markets" I shop has effectively been destroyed or at least significantly diminished, and I will miss those opportunities. But there are still many ways to get what I want.
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Then I came all over her perky A-Cups and watched her wipe away the evidence with tissues. VIP dance plus tip: $155.
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Life is good.
GaG, your greater experience is always inspirational and appreciated. As for the lamentations and rending of garments and wailing to the heavens, I've been doing my share. But honestly, like you, my activities have been pretty much the same. I'm aware that the Sugar Bowl has been affected very little if at all. But I'm really concerned for the fate of workers who have lost their best and safest ways of making a living and may be forced to adopt unsafe practices just to survive.
Basically the same for me. Once I figured out how easy VPN is, things are almost the same. I see few TER or p four escorts anyway, having switched to SA almost exclusively.
I do wonder where the backpage and craigslist women/men are going now?
And reviews and profiles are slowing come back as an amazing number of TER providers have left the USA in protest, and moved to Canada, or the UK, or....
Just in today: p four is no longer taking new clients or providers 
I don't know if they are still processing renewals, but hope so.
but my heart really goes out to the many women who are faced with either a loss of their livelihood or having to take serious chances with their life and liberty in order to keep food on the table.
I do expect to find a lot more "pros" using the Sugar Sites, my only selfish hope is that they use enough discretion not to fuck it up for the rest of us.
She arrived on the 9:30 am train and we went right over to my house. Got snuggly and naked pretty quick and had fine time. Turns out she has great skills with her mouth and hands, and thought my oral skills were great! I made sure I stayed down there long enough to make her squeal a few times! Then I took her out to brunch, then to an art show whe wanted to see, then back to the house and we got geared up for a nice long motorcycle ride that included a few more art galleries (her choice!) ice cream at an old fashioned soda fountain and back home again. Some serenading, then another session of naked adult fun. Then I grilled us some steaks which we ate out on the back patio with some wine and watched the sun go down. She also expressed an interest in firearms so we looked at some of my gun collection. Finally we were both getting pretty tired. I gave her some $$ and took her back to the station to catch the 8:30 train home. Yup, 11 hours. Not sure I'd want to do that again since it was tiring and a very long date, but I'm glad I did, and she wants to see me again soon!
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I've also noticed that some guys have a lot more success stories than horror stories and other guys have a lot more horror stories than success stories. I am inclined to believe this is proof that we make our own luck. I am happy to say that after reading your posts for the last couple of years or so you most definitely fall into the "more success stories" category.
Depends on how you qualify success. $, $$, $$$, or $$$$ comes into play. A guy could look and act like Uncle Fester but if he pays $$$$$ he could have a really good time.
and speaking of Uncle Fester, the original Uncle Fester, Jackie Coogan, did quite well with the ladies, even marrying Betty Grable.
Does it really matter what he spent? It sounds like he had a great time, so whatever he spent sounds worth it. Not to mention I am willing to bet he spent a lot less on his eleven hour date with his newest SB than he would have for a couple of hours with a hooker, not that it really matters of course as long as HE is happy, but still.
Also, I am sure at some point I am no longer going to be as young and handsome as I am now. At that point if a few bucks can "rent" me some happiness, I will consider it money well spent, just like I do today. lol
The ladies might be shocked by Uncle Fester's oral technique.
I spent $400 on her gift, plus some more for meals and other expenses. But yeah, I had fun and thought it was pretty cheap on a $ per hour basis! And GaG, thanks for noticing; I really do have mostly success stories and hardly any horror stories to talk about.
.... my acknowledgement of your success, but you'll get it anyway. Well done!
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My preference is always to have more of a date-like experience where I provide some sugar than a pro-like experience where I might take her out for dinner.
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To be sure, I have SB's in my rotation who just want to BJ-bomb me and bail with a couple of Benjamin's. No problem! But the ones I enjoy the most, and who I spend the most sugar on act like GF's when they are with me, and then don't bother me when they are not.
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I have one who lives in AZ and comes back to LA once or twice a month to see friends and family. It's not unusual for her to text me at 10:00 am on her drive to CA. If I'm home and horny, she'll show up at my place by 1 or 2, and beg me to fuck her face as hard as I can. She literally grabs my hands and puts them on the back of her hear and says "Push it down HARDER Daddy! I need your cock in my throat!" And then she refuses to take my cock out of her mouth until she's sucked and swallowed every final drop I can squeeze out. After that, she wipes off her chin, tidies up in my bathroom and I hand her a hundred or so, maybe up to 1.5 if I have some extra 20's around. Then she's off. .
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The last time I saw her I noticed when I walked her out the door that she had a girlfriend in the car who had been wating for us! I aked who that was and she said I'll get to meet her next time. I aksed her if I'll need to proivde sugar to friend and she told me that her freind just likes sucking dicks - while her pussy gets licked.
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Life is good.
Two weeks have passed since I started this thread and I said I'd give an update if I ever got into this girl, so here goes. As previously noted, my first encounter with this 21yo SB was an 11 hr marathon, which did not include any FS since she was on her period. We finally got together again the night before last and consummated our arrangement, and HOLY SHIT she was more fun in bed than I could have imagined. Sometimes it's the quiet ones who surprise you! Totally wore me out and probably could have gone on for lots more. After all, there's a 50 year age gap! Here's just one detail; when I was really getting tired of the active role I laid down on my back and said it's your turn to be on top. She immediately chose the asian cowgirl position which is a rare and very hot choice, in my experience. It felt like she's using her entire body to intentionally stroke my cock with her pussy. Anyway, I loved it. We agreed on 300 which is a bit more than my usual and less than what she first asked for. I think we were both extremely satisfied with the result of our negotiations. Can't wait to nail this one again!
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