Since getting back into the hunt, I'm realizing how spoiled I was up to now, with some great SBs at a PPM of around $400-500. In the current environment, I'm increasingly seeing demands of $800-1k in my area.
My initial reaction is to say, 'no way, good luck' and view this as not for me. But when I stop and think, I can say to myself, maybe I CAN afford this, when I calculate out my savings against my life expectancy (and more important, my sugaring expectancy). Part of my reasoning comes from the fact that I struggled economically for a long time and had to scrimp and save to get to retirement. I always felt it was outrageous to pay $4 for a bottle of water at the airport or $100k for a car, for example. You might say to yourself, this is just the price of pussy now and bite the bullet. On the other hand, I have the sense (and have seen a bit of anecdotal evidence) that the gals who are demanding $1k PPM are not really interested in us old guys, and they are just holding their noses and doing it because it's lucrative. And it's certainly possible they are responding more on the apps because it takes a long time to find a guy willing to pay that much. My SBs have always been enthusiastic and really enjoyed our relationships. I'm not asking for validation of one path or another, but interested in hearing other thoughts about this. Especially hearing about experiences with the high-end SBs and whether you felt it was worth it.Ok, this is like predicting the weather from a dark room with no windows or devices that can access data.
There are countless variables that affect prices, or more accurately, what a given SB will accept.
-Her current financial situation
-Her desired outcomes from sugaring
-Her looks and demeanor (which are subjective)
-The geo-market forces:
-- competition with other POT's ,
-- local cost of living,
-- local SD population and budgets
-- other income opportunities
-Personal values about casual sex, (I've had SB's who were lesbians, some with committed GFs)
-Personal level of attraction to older guys
-Influence from social media
-Influence from friends and family
And more.
I can tell you after almost 20 years in the game, there is no single, reliable predictor of what an allowance should be, other than your budget. All the variables above are beyond your control. So I suggest you well, not ignore them, but use them to help inform your negotiation process rather than trying to overcome them.
I get the path you followed to get where you are. It's similar to mine, where I was 30-days away from filing for bankruptcy before I flipped my destiny and found my path to comfort. I learned that no matter how well you are doing, it's best to live beneath your means. There is no need to buy a $4 million house when a $800k house will do. And for me, there is no need to pay $800-$1k + for pussy when I can get enthusiastically laid for $300-$500. The only time I wander over those numbers are for a few porn stars, and once or twice for an undeniable 10 that I knew would be a one-time BCD.
Patience is your best tool to find SB's at the allowance you feel comfortable paying. For all the social-media-inflated GPS out there, my 2 top A-List SB's are getting $300 and $350. And I'm in Los Angeles. I still encounter POT's who ask for $1k minimum and won't even consider BB for less than $2k. They may even find SD's (ok they are SIMPs, not SD's) who pay that. But I will never spend over my carefully planned budget. I will never let an SB damage my financial security! Because then I won't be able to afford ANY pussy. :p
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The Cat
Many girls ask for that expecting to get low balled. I usually say, "sorry, I don't start that high. 4-500 which depends on how long we spend together is where I'm at ". Many are ok with that.
Plenty of girls say no, demanding more. The reality is, they are not getting it consistently. I forgot how many times I've heard "my last SD gave me xxxx and there wasn't even sex.". My reply, " you should go back to him.". Response is always "he moved" or "he got married" or "his wife found out". Basically, a bullshit line to make it sound like she's hot shit.
Last girl I saw a few times who expected 1k but settled, because I'm a nice guy, is a complete flake. She only texts when she's behind on bills. Promises to be more consistent, then only reaches out hoping to see me same day.
My point is, plenty of hot girls out there. Find the ones right for you and your budget. If you build consistency great her will with gifts or more money. Show her you appreciate how she's been with you. I have my SB a raise recently. She didn't expect it. I said I really appreciated how she's been there for me emotionally through some stuff and a consistent girlfriend. She doubled the date length.
I get asked for lots of money frequently. By that I mean 600-1000 requests and even more. Quite often they are from girls who are new to the bowl and have drunk the online koolaid about how easy it is to get tons of $ from desperate old men. I often will offer much lower amounts that fit my budget, just to see what happens. And I've occassionally been pleasantly surprised when they agree to my offer. But usually they vanish when they understand I'm not going to give them what they ask for.
I have a wonderful rotation right now. My regular #1 who is super slim and pretty. She gets 300. My younger returnee is just 23 and honestly does not seem to care about the $. She says I always make her feel great. When I asked her about allowance she just said give me whatever you want. I give her 200 and she's happy. (an hour long nonstop rolling O probably contributes to her happiness!). I have 2 others I see occasionally who also get 200, and one special cutie I give 400. All of these women are in the bowl for the fun, for the experience and the relationship, and yes, for the sex with an older guy. The modest amounts of money I give them are proof that they have more priorities than just $. For them, the $ is just a bonus, it's icing on the cake they enjoy a lot. Girls like that are out there, although finding them can be a challenge.
Where you're exclusive and you pay an allowance weekly, say on the seventh, 14th, 21st & 28th, get together once or twice a week and an occasional weekend getaway? I had a great one for a couple years until it wasn't great anymore.
I've had that a couple of times. My last one blew up in a nuclear fireball last summer. I ended up filing a restraining order against her because she wouldn't stop calling and texting in the middle of the night with pics of the guy she was cheating with. Sad really, I gave her an apartment, helped with her business, and an allowance. She's literally lost everything in a year and had to move back home. She tossed it all away because supposedly the other guy was rich, he wasn't.
My current SB and I are fine with ppm. She's a great girlfriend. We have not talked moving to monthly because I've been burned a few times by it when it ends. But we are taking trips, talking regularly, weekly dates, great sex.
Hugh, if that's your idea of an Old School sugar arrangement, more power to you! Sounds like you had something great. And quite rare. I've been on this board sharing ideas and experiences with the guys here for quite a few years. And I think your "Old School" arrangement is rare. Seems like most guys here are seeking multiple arrangements concurrently, with PYTs who are happy to accept a gift-per-visit financial arrangement. Some guys do insist that she is exclusive to them, but many of us guys don't care if she's seeing others. Or actually prefer it. I, for one, like knowing she's not relying on me for 100% of her needs. Those who have tried weekly or monthly allowances have generally reported problems with that kind of arrangement. Otoh, I think there's still a widespread perception among the women on seeking that they are going to find that sort of allowance model. If you find one, just be sure she lives up to her end of the bargain after you give her the money!
I suppose I have a modified version of that.
To clarify, I think I pay about 2x the lower-rates in my area, but I do not do so on an exact schedule, but generally more ppm and then on an irregular basis depending on how I perceive each of the SB needs and wants. While I don't insist, they have to maintain weekly contact with me to even be considered for a non-ppm support.
My relationships tend to be 100% exclusive [from the SB end, not mine] and yes, I pay accordingly.
It tends to "buy" me some privileges and safety STD-wise, as I do test several times a year and have never gotten a positive result.
I know many of the guys on here are on a budget, but I am not...just been lucky, stock market-wise and really have more dollars than things to buy that make me happy.
Pussy makes me happy! lol