I’ve recently reviewed two K-girls. The infamous Kiss and Gloria. I’m getting harassed by the agencies for giving middle aged women low scores on looks and performance and their profiles are all bait and switch like. Do you all feel the same way? Because every time I post a low review I am asked to provide confirmation that I saw these middle aged women. Should we just start posting the exact location of the agencies in our reviews?

I wouldn't consider her "middle aged", especially not her body.  

Are you suggesting that TER start allowing reviews, or board posts, that provide specific location information? If that is your suggestion then NO! we, and you, should not be doing that.

My inquiry pertains to how a visitor might successfully navigate DS's stringent screening process. While I am not familiar with the other establishment in Philadelphia, it is well known among DMV hobbyists that DS maintains one of the most rigorous screening protocols in the area and is selective about accepting new clients. Although DS occasionally opens its doors to a limited number of new clients, the likelihood is quite low. The chances are nearly nonexistent for a new visitor who simply visits their website and attempts to schedule a same-day or even same-week appointment with one of their escorts.  Just curious and my 2cents.

No age was listed on their ads.  Were you expected low 20s?  Middle aged to me, means 50+, but that's because I'm old.

I’ve never seen Kiss, but I’ve seen Gloria a few times. Here’s my take.  
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The looks score is subjective, so you’re entitled to your opinion. She is clearly very late 30s or early 40s. Then again, most KGirls are older than their advertised ages; everyone knows that. But Gloria has an incredibly tight body and great skin. In my opinion there’s no way that a reasonable, objective gent could score her looks as a 5. Every time I saw her she was shower fresh, well dressed, and looked incredibly sexy.  
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The performance score is much less subjective. She has 370 reviews. I went back a couple of years and your performance score is the lowest. So, there are a few reasonable conclusions. First, you are an unreasonable grader. Or, second, something about you, your hygiene, or your attitude turned her off and it was reflected in how she treated you. Or, maybe, you’re working for a competitor and trying to hurt her business. And, finally, there is the possibility that you are the most unlucky guy in the world and you happened to see Gloria on the worst hour of her hobby life. I don’t know what happened, but from my experience there’s no way she can be a 5 in performance.  
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I reach this conclusion: maybe KGirls aren’t for you. You have seen two KGirls with long histories of great reviews and both were disappointing to you. That screams out that you are the problem. Maybe you would be better served by dating non-KGirls who might better meet your expectations.
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Just my $0.02.

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This is subjective.  Especially when you are seeing pics of 22 year old models and you get a 35 year old woman.  He has the right to review as he sees it.  

Jensen, if you haven't read his review of Kiss (who I haven't seen and know nothing about) you should take a look. Here are two passages that show who he is and how he treats ladies:
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"She’s not used to the men she services be so large and wants me to ease into her. I slowly penetrate but she can’t handle it. I’m not dropping 360 on a BJ so I tell her to get herself ready for it.   .   .   .   After a bit of stiff play I take my cock out and jerk it onto her face and mouth."
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"I ask for round 2 and she hesitates because she can’t take it. I plop her down on her back and try again but she’s closing her legs and not letting me in. I shove my cock in her mouth and explode on her tits."
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Is it any wonder why he seems to have bad experiences? His attitude seems to be if he's paying they have to do it his way no matter whether it hurts them or they enjoy it. One would hope the KAgencies catch up with him and he gets blacklisted if that's how he treats the ladies.

Poor girl. No one should be treated this way. I don't blame her for closing her legs. Dude needs to chill and treat her like a lady.

Jesus Christ. He would be lucky if he just got away with a blacklist.  
What he did sounds very very....R*PEY......
And just a friendly reminder that LE and the FBI do have access to this board and do read it.  
He may not get caught, but if you see this place getting shut down for sex trafficking you can blame idiots like this that do this type of behavior and then WRITE A REVIEW detailing their idiotic and criminal behavior. Mind blowing.  
Also, shame on TER for allowing reviews like this to be posted. Money being exchanged does not negate consent.  
NOT good for this gal and for sure not good for the industry.  
Disgusting on all levels.

I recommend reposting this on the K-Girl Board at https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113
You're likely to receive a variety of feedback, both positive and negative, as well as different perspectives on your claim.

If needed you can provide text proof to TER

That's exactly the word I was thinking about but was reluctant to say in my post.

No VIP so no, have not read his review. But agee that that tone seems one that is not going to work well with many providers and certainly not the K-agencies that I've ever done business with.

call Gloria a Kgirl, I think she is more of an indie, maybe, using a Korg/PO to book for her, just MO!
Her site says she likes people, curious, did you make her like list?
Kiss sounds like more of a Kgirl to me.
There are a few non Kgirls in So Cal hooked up with Korgs and from what I've read their service is not up to par with Kgirls!
All that is subjective and YEMV as how the session can go.
No one should be harassed by an org for an honest review!
Sounds like you're unhappy and the Korgs don't care for you, so while the gettin' is good, you ought to travel out of Ktown!
Especially how you look at and treat the Kgirls, all women too?, you probably wouldn't last long anyway!

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No I didn't read his reviews.

Someone posted a few snipets of his review above. He treats the lady like a piece of meat. She seems scared, and he doesn't seem to gaf. And these are his words, so lord knows what it may have really been like for her.

I asked, were the reviews untruthful or dishonest?  

Ohhh I get it now.  

I’m assuming the review narrative is truthful. I’m assuming by now that you’ve read the reviews in question. Do you think the narrative is truthful?

I haven't read the reviews. I had my vip lapsed and I can't view them currently.. I will read them in due time.

So let me get this straight. If he pays to have sex with her, he can be abusive and if she is anything but submissive, her service is bad and she therefore deserves a bad review? Is this what you are saying? As long as he is being truthful, they have not right to confront him?

I don't understand your logic, why do we have to assume anything OP says is true? He posted it so it much be true? are you saying people who post are incapable of lying?

Oh, I don’t know. Maybe he’s been blacklisted/banned for his own admittedly bad behavior? Maybe he’s using an allegation of harassment as a form of retaliation?

+1

I had no issues getting cleared by them.  

The op says - I've been harassed by agencies

I think DS has a lot more credibility than this guy has. Maybe they contacted him, maybe they didn't. But I don't see the gal who runs DS "harassing" any client.  

There is a whole thread of responses and information here. When you seemed to not have read it, it was brought to your attention. You have stubbornly chosen to ignore said information and doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on your stance that the agency is wrong and he is right. You are basically taking the side of a boarderline rapist over an agency trying to protect one of their ladies. Way to go Q.

Between an agency and a random client, I personally will take the clients word if I have zero facts.

I said, if someone is being harassed over a negative and truthful review, this is wrong. I recommended them to report harassment to ter.  

I'm always one for honest reviews. I've been an advocate for them from day one. And, if what he wrote is true, I don't think he should change it to make it seem peachy either. I actaully think TER should not allow it and should ban him though. He sounds like a threatening and unsafe person. He absolutely deserves to be harrased. I am not forgiving him if he's being honest. He crossed a line. The agency is not wrong if he behaived this way. I see this as protecting their employee.

Correct answer Z, thank you. I am going to go out on a limb and say that the OP is being harassed because he SEXUALLY ASSAULTED A SEX WORKER AND ADMITTED TO IT IN A REVIEW.  
And once again when I think some of the people on this website can't get any lower....here we are.

Because of this assessment of him as an unsafe person seems to overshadow everything else to you. Isn't it definiton of black and white?  

He’s a rape apologist.

Every rapist is a piece of shit and I never defended them.

So you disregard his own words?

What?

+2

What Zeel is doing is pointing out that different aspects of a situation DO have differing levels of importance and relivence that need to be taken into account.

Giving Carte Blanche to agencies and providers to cry wolf and allow harassment of real reviews, is your definition of shades of grey I guess. Well awesome because they already do that.  
They like power and hate to lose money. But they for some reason think they have the right to manipulate reviews.

Black and white means it’s this or that and nothing in between. What you are doing is exactly that. He wrote the review, not the agency. He chose his words, not the agency. What we read was him describing overly aggressive borderline rapist behavior. We have no idea what the agency is accusing him of. It’s many of us that are accusing based on his words.

As a certain rap freestyle goes, "seen many islands from caymans to rikers"  

over three years ago on the Kgirl board about his binary approach to everything.  Here's the link to the first one.  There are over a dozen more after that.  Lol

there were bookers who would send an "Attitude Adjuster" to see a guy who got rapey or rough with a Kgirl.  It was very effective in curbing the kinds of abuse described by this reviewer in his own words, which in reality was probably even worse than he admits to.  

Cdl you should really stay in your lane.

Wow, thank you badger. First time we agree in a while!

that, didn't know we had been disagreeing.
You are welcome, Rocket!

the guy is an asshole, arrogant, and dangerous, so the review is how he saw the session.
That's HIS honest review! Yes, it is fucked up how he acts with providers!
But I'm glad he outed himself how he treats them!  
No one should be harassed, but he should be Blacklisted, and they should spread the word to other Orgs and Bookers!

He's pretty clear that he will defend anyone's right to write and honest review and could care less if it's someone we should even believe, someone that wants to force himself one someone else or even somone that murders the girl and then writes an hoest review about how she was just like a dead fish and so gets very low performance scores presumably.

I didn't ask for anyone to agree with me.

Your extremism on reviews is well known here at TER, but you’ve really gone off the deep end defending this guy’s reviews.

Once again I never defended this guy or his reviews I haven't even read yet.

Answer this, any of you double standard welders.

This guy is a fraud.  

The funniest thing is the more I look at this situation and the more I dig in, I agree!

"The agency didn't even know about the review until just now when I told the woman who runs it."

that customers should be allowed to give a fair, honest review and not be presured or threatend by the provider or agency. This is just another of your watter is wet and why don't you agree with that responses.

Whereas I don't.

Are you getting paid by the word or the post? LET IT GO BRO. Your obsession makes you look stark raving mad. Toss back a gummy. Take the L. You wont remember any of this in the morning.

You need only to look at my review history to see that I have not seen a single girl from that org in nearly 7 years.   You're making shit up again.  When it comes to you, my lane is down the middle, so you best stay out of the way.   Lol

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Gus must be rolling in dough^^!

Did I get that right?

Marie said she didn't know about the review. She didn't explicitly say that she did not contact the OP, but if she didn't know about the review why would she harass the OP about it?

Once again, does it make her a liar?

It’s not a simple premise, it’s a confused premise. What if Marie didn’t contact the OP until after Holy let her know about this thread? You need to be more specific.

make as much as before.

Obviously if she did, in fact, do something but said she didn't, that's lying. WTF is wrong with you? Why do I have to explicitly say that???

The simple premise here is that you have injected yourself into this situation for all the wrong reasons and are helping no one.  
You have not mentioned once, as in ZERO, any concern at all for the provider in question (Kiss). The normal human response would be to show empathy for the provider and do what needs to be done, even virtually (que holy's actions, thank you!!) to see if this provider is OK.  
If in fact the OP did tell a truthful review he would be admitting that he SEXUALLY ASSAULTED a provider. That is what all of the normal humans that read the review got out of it. It would be a very good thing if he LIED.  
You should have been sick to your stomach reading the review. All normal humans that read it were.  
You really need to stop posting on this tread. You have so thoroughly embarrassed yourself here but also with this community. If you really cannot see how disillusioned your comments were here you really need to step back and reevaluate your life.  

...he is on the wrong side of rapey reviews. He is really a sick, pathetic person and needs help. BADLY.

...has been pissed at me for NOT writing reviews, and for being so reluctant to even acknowledge the value of reviews in helping a alleged "inexperienced newbie" like me select providers...I simply refer you to this byzantine thread regarding the convoluted views and interpretations (to say nothing of the actual validity) of two reviews of two well known, well established women.  I'll find my own way, thanks, and try to keep it to myself ...... meaning, I will never make the same mistake I made with the first provider I saw back in June, by posting about it in a misguided attempt to get some insight on how to avoid the same mistake again.    Bottom line is, this whole business is highly subjective and geared toward individual taste and preference....on both sides of the equation (providers and clients)

Obviously I'm talking about her contacting him before the op posted the thread. If he wasn't contacted, do you think he'd make this thread? Lol

I'm a sick pathetic person and I need help because I believe no seller has a right to harass any customer over negative truthful and honest review (just because they're negative) ever?  

You have some TWO DOZEN extremely insecure replies JUST in THIS thread proving you do! Using CDL logic really isn't helping you bro. lol.

I'm not using any cdl logic. This whole thing about attempting to shame me or other bullshit doesn't work on me. Should ask guys like rh, Jensen or even cdl. They all "put me on ignore" in order for me to stop what I'm doing.  

"pissed" at you for not writing reviews, but with your admitted limited experience (which was corroborated by a provider who claims you saw her) it just makes you irrelevant, just like the aliases with no reviews.  I'm always willing to give new aliases the benefit of the doubt, but when they start posting and it becomes apparent that I should take their alleged "experience" with a grain of salt, there is no reason to continue to engage with them.  I'd be willing to bet that many other members will pass over reading your more verbose posts as well.  It's bad form to try to claim victim status when the continuing diminution of your status here arises from something that you have complete control over.  

the issue we're talking about is the main reason TER was created: to give mongers a venue where they could share information, expose bad providers and increase the chances guys could have a good outcome. It worked pretty well for a long time.

Very ironic that you would hide behind illegality to justify bad behavior by sellers, then accuse me of hiding behind customer rights.

For example, if you asked me where do I get the notion that I have freedom of speech rights, I would point you to the First Amendment of the US Constitution.  
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So please point us very specifically where you, as a consumer in this lifestyle, have any rights at all? Where can I find them? Post that link when you can.

I'm pretty sure anyone here would agree that an agency, booker/assistant or indie harassing a client for a bad review is not acceptable. I was banned by an agency for writing in my review of one of their girls that during our time together she bled all over me (IUD issue). I wrote "she bled like a stuck pig". The woman who runs the agency accused me of calling the girl a pig. In my review  I went out of my way to say she was beautiful and had a great body. The bed just looked like a murder scene afterwards. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that, but at the time I thought it was somewhat amusing and it was certainly the truth. Was it the right thing to ban me? I don't think so. Form of harassment/retaliation? I saw it that way.

Sure thing. I'm not sure why u didn't Google it but here u go:

I very specifically said "as a consumer in this lifestyle." I am sure you just missed that part. Now, please show me where THOSE specific rights exist please.

LOL. Does the FTC say they apply these rights to customers of illegal activities?

Just a guess because I have no experience with the agency in question, but if the OP was harassed by the agency or booker I would tend to believe it was because of the aggressive, rapey kind of behavior he described, not for the numerical score.

sorry it sounds like you didn't read mine.
I checked and the link is working just fine.  

Yes, we have big issues with enforcing these rights.

The "rights" you speak of only exist in your head. You made them up out of thin air. They obviously don't exist or you would have provided them by now. It was a simple question and yet, here we are, with you, completely unable to answer it.  
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You pointing to the FTC was laughable, and destroyed your point, as they have zero jurisdiction in this realm. Everyone but you knows this. And then when asked again for an another source, a REAL source for those "rights" you are so certain that exist, you diverted, cried and then told me to "stop" being logical.  
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If you ever do come up with that link I asked for, you will let us know I am sure. Good luck! lol.

These rights exist but you want to pretend because the hobby is illegal these rights don't exist and sellers can do whatever they please to customers and customers just bend over and take it.

You provided a link to an entity that doesn't have any oversight over p4p whatsoever. Just provide the link to the organization that adjudicates "consumer rights" in this lifestyle and we will be done. If "these rights exist" as you claim, this should be quite easy to do. The fact that you can't is quite telling.

"this lifestyle" is encompassed by the rights.

Where?????? I have asked 3 times and you have now officially struck out. Ok, I see you are flailing and desperate and you can never concede you are wrong. I have tortured you enough in this thread. It is obvious to all you have no answers and the rights are just a figment of your imagination.  
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I know you well enough to know that you, just like CDL, needs the last word so please take it. And feel free if you find those "rights" governing p4p to post them. I think you will find them in the possession of Harvey the Rabbit. Lol.

You are playing dumb.

in saying someone else has to have the last word when you have 8 posts on this thread directed at rocket?  You have done something similar on several occasions with me.  You keep arguing and then say the other person has to have the last word when it's more a case of you just running out of cohesive and intelligent rebuttal.  But I give you an "A" for effort and misdirection.   Lol

The King of misdirection speaks!  Talk about irony!   ha

Anywhere within 10 years is an accurate age. Twenty, if they're Asian,  because who can really tell.

added 10 years and 10-15 pounds to whatever the ad says, and I rarely encounter a girl whose reality is off more than that, which means I'm rarely disappointed when arriving for a Kgirl session.

But it's telling how all the proponents of "it's illegal and hence  you have no rights" tuck their tail in when I ask

Holys, you're one of the few people to engage in meaningful discussion thay isn't condescending. Thanks.

common reason for a "talk" from the booker.  Based on the review, I would agree with your assessment.  The most common reason for a talk for the booker about a review is if the review seems retaliatory.  They will often ask the girl why things went so horribly wrong as the reviewer describes, and the most common answer is that the monger was either pressing for off-menu services like BBFS or aggressive face-fucking, or she had to call him out for being too rough.  

Agree with everything but one. Both Blossom and Phoebe in Vegas love getting facefucked. Hell, Phoebe even puts the back of her head against the wall and says let's go with her cute little bunny ears on. One time the first time I saw her I thought it might be too rough so I slowed down and pulled out a little and she slapped my thigh and said HARDER! That said, she one-of-a-kind in the KGirl world when it comes to really extreme stuff.

there are outliers for everything.  I just haven't met one yet that WANTED me to do this.  I always ask first.   If it's the Phoebe I saw in OC many, many years ago, then she has certainly become more adventurous since then, but it sounds like a different Phoebe.  

Will write how rough he gave it to her you won't consider it rapey right?

Grow the fuck up. How can it be rapey when she invites/asks for it? You're off the deep end again.

I said, someone unfamiliar with Phoebe. And the review doesn't say she's asking for it. Do you think it's unreasonable to suspect rapey when in fact she's into it?

Damn you can run fast in reverse. There is no review, it’s a board post. And I expressly said she asked for it.  
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C’mon man, you’ve gotten hammered by virtually everyone in this thread. Don’t try to change the subject to my comment about Phoebe’s preference.  
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Go ahead, have the last word. I’m finished responding to your nonsense.

If you're talking about the SD agency you had 4 posters from that market. Two said the policy and their experience was more about quality control and the agency lisened and took actions to fix things customers let them know, one said they didn't listen to his complains or do anything about it and one said he didn't reach out first but wrote a sub 8 review and they did "come find him". TER removeing the reviews does not actually prove anything about intent of that policy or how the agency used it. Given the available fact seems like your conclusion is more about your views than the actual facts. But if you want to take me to task for actually looking at the available information and saying it's not clear fine. I know you have to keep me pigonholed into what you believe and your confirmation bias will ensure all data your see support that view.

Thou shall not review KGirl with scores less then 7….oh well🤷🏻‍♂️😂

What BS? No one here has said he no long should be allowed to post reviews and not have others threaten him for it. What they have been saying is that they question he even was being threatend for the review, thinking his self documented treatment of the girl is more likely the reason for any followup from the agency. So stop with your BS creation of strawman positions.

Stupid on purpose, or are you not pretending.   When you are in the middle of something with a Kgirl, and she says, "deeper", "faster", "harder", etc.  She is inviting you for more intensity.  This is a far cry from the OP's situation.  RH also did not say he was talked to by the booker afterward.  Can you guess why?  It's because the girl INVITED him to do more.  I would think a binary thinker like you would completely understand the distinction.  Grasp at straws much?  Lol

Lol, come on rh. Cdl spouted nonsense how he hasn't met a girl who was into pounding and ffd. And yet we both met them. I have reviews of Yuffie, Kira, Lovelyn (shit I thought I had a review of Yuna on ter guess not) and others who are very much into it.  

Tell me Jensen, who starts this adversial relationship?

I made a factual statement about you.  Just count your responses.  You can't let it go, can you?  In reality, it's you that needs the last word.  How is that "misdirection" on my part?"