Know some providers--one even claiming to have graduated from Harvard (who can't spell and isn't very bright at all)--who MAYBE did one or two years at Jr. college. Know pumping yourself up is good for business...but it gets old sometimes. You meet someone, find out from talking with them that they have a 100 IQ, can decipher that they are not college educated from their store of knowledge only to feel let down again. Wish the ladies would just leave the phoney "college graduate" out of their ads unless they are really college graduates. Don't know why this bugs me so, but it does. Just had to spout off. Sorry.
Well, phoniness in anything, about anything is annoying as all get out. Most of the Providers I know are college graduates, and in our circle we have had Network Administrators for the Military, RN's, and a few Ph.d's, even a published co-author, so I guess it depends on where you're looking! Some of my not formally educated Provider friends are the most brillant women I know; and yet my filthy rich degreed-up-the-wazoo uncle is denser than a doorknob, in my opinion.. And, after many years in Corporate America, have found myself able to run circles around those with degrees, making twice my salary, I might add, and found them to be clueless, for the most part. Every rule has its exception; and nothing in life is certain, they say except death and taxes, and what all does anything mean anyway? I am not degreed - it wasn't the common, popular thing then for girls to go to college. Even the guys only went to college who were pursuing careers as doctors and lawyers; otherwise not. Life has certainly changed since then. While not 'educated', I don't think of myself as an ignoramus, by any means. Still, I understand YOUR point, completely, and have merely 'spouted off' myself on a topic that happens to chap my hide..
You say that in your circle of providers there a few who have Phd's? May I ask why then are they working as escorts?
Don't automatically assume that I'm attacking you or insulting providers, I'm only curious under what circumstances would a woman with a PhD decide to go into this business (other than money of course).
If you do searches on previous posts, you'll see several that cover the 'whys', but let's list a few we all can understand:
1) no waking up because you have to 2) no traffic 3) no wear and tear on the car 4) a much less dry cleaning bill 5) much more interesting lingerie 6) no office politics 7) no wishing you could strangle your boss 8) no deadlines 9) no worries about lay-offs - just getting laid (sorry, couldn't resist) 10) no getting killed on taxes (I'm not condoning not reporting income) And that's just 10 right off the top..
You get to do what you love, with whomever you choose, and make a nice amount of money doing it! I think you get the idea...
doing LESS and "getting away" with MORE: a more relaxed and "easier" life ... say as opposed to a doctor, scientist or any other Phd who works for a living.
What circumstances? Immigrants have to repeat about two years of med. school again, and they make no money to speak of to live on. Just supplementing their income. A right brained Ph.D. who made little income but was so intellectually gifted it was fascinating. A Dr. who had her degree from Mexico, and did research here. Needed to supplement the income to pay for a new car. Etc. Etc. Etc. It does exist, but alot of the bright ones will FAKE a college degree. How do I know? It is SO easy to figure out after a short while. I guess I am just tired of all the b.s.--especially since I worked so hard to get my post grad degrees. It is kinda irritating. But the ones who REALLY get me are the ones too stupid to know they are dullards--and then claim to be grads of Harvard! What a hoot!
This profession can be an excellent opportunity to make extra $$$ as a moonlighting experience, as I have found many who have regular lives and careers outside this. This profession is also like being a pro-athlete, there are exceptions to the rule, however how many 60 year old pro-quarterbacks have you heard of? If one can make more $$$ in this as a career, I say go for it and pick up the other career in a few years down the line. For myself, being a business major, this moonlighting has put me through college and definately helped with starting my own business. As my other business was growing I had to make the choice, and I decided to enjoy the benefits of this career for as long as I can on a part time basis. And besides, for some of us, it isn't just all about the money, but the experience~
Ms. Nin: An appropriate name for an articulate and sensual woman. At the risk of being bold, are you in New York City or do you ever visit here? Many thanks!
$0.015...college graduates..."joke" reads nlike a stereo type. being a profesional safe provider doesn't makie a person to stoopid to have been educated. just sounds like this what is suggested.
...to say that all providers are simply of average or lower intelligence?
I truly believe that you are chosing the wrong providers. While there are many that do fit your profile, there are just as many, if not more, that I admire for their intellect and insight. I always believed that the brain was the most important sex organ, and it doesn't surprise me at all that there are so many providers out there that are very, very well developed in that area.
With all due respect 'fortitude' ... your statement that "there are just as many, if not more" providers who are above average intelligence just doesn't make sense, numerically I mean. It would be like saying there are more men who pack greater than 6" --to use an appropriate analogy. If this were true then 6" would not be the average length of all our ding-dongs.
Perhaps what you stated is what we all wished were true in this hobby. Let us not confuse the above-average qualities of the providers we are fortunate enough to find here (with the help of TER) with the majority of what is out there in the 'real world'
Given that 90% of my current experience in the hobby is with well-reviewed TER ladies, my statistics are probably positively skewed.
But I don't think that the original post intended us to include street girls and the like. But as said, you're probably correct in that the TER ladies are above the average in this biz.
I think some of these providers mistakenly believe that hobbyists are interested in them for their intellect and interesting conversation. The truth is I'd rather spend time with a nice, sweet girl. There is nothing more annoying or uncomfortable than a woman (or a man) who tries to come across as articulate and educated when they are not. I am an electrical engineer. A provider once told me that her uncle was a TV repairman so she knows a lot about "that electronic stuff". Before that I thought she was just dinghy girl, afterwards I thought she was an annoying bitch. "It is better to remain silent and let the world think you are fool than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
Hell, no! That is not what I was saying at all! What I was stating is that I am sick of ladies who bullshit and lie. What for? It's one thing to be well read and bright and say you have a degree. And another to have never read a book in your life and think that educated people will believe your b.s. Obviously, may nondegreed people are brilliant and some degreed are stupid.
I know of one very well known and respected provider that claims that she has her degree which she does not and also lies about where she was born. After some of her e-mails back and forth it makes me wonder how or if she even has any college. Just my .02 and yes this aggravates me seeing how long I worked for all of my degrees. And no I was not a career student just one who finished his doctorate.
I have met many providers who have college degrees and are very articulate.
However there are some ladies who use 15 year old pictures or pictures of someone other than themselves on their website. If you have went that far might as well add a college degree for the finishing touch.
There are plenty of women in this business with college degrees. I know of one who has a Phd. We have not met in person but regularly correspond. The reason that she works in the business is it gives her alot of time to write which is what she prefers to do with the knowledge that she has gained from her degree. Most Phd's teach, do research, obtain a position of huge responsibility, or lecture/consult after doing enough time and making their mark in their field. These endeavors are vastly time consuming and if one is a single female do not lend themselves to meeting men that are available for sex.
One of my best friends has a masters as well as being certified in both Pilates and Kundalini Yoga instruction. She just got out of the biz and is working in a sales job. She has maybe one-two hours of free time...a day and by free time I mean she has to decide whether to do her laundry, pay bills or get her hair cut. She now has maybe 200 over her bills/month to play with and she is not getting laid much at all.
If it makes some of you feel better to think that most providers so this because we cannot do anything else than you are just delusional. Now days many providers do this because WE CAN.
that there are more and more women entering the Biz due to wanting out of the Rat Race, whether they chose to leave it or were part of a lay off, now or years prior. So many of them consult in some other business, plus Escorting, in order to have the freer, and less stressful pace than working in the 'real' world.
Don't get me wrong. I will never be so naive or insensitive as to say it's "easy money" But I sure wish I had the option to make an extra "large" or more a week in this manner.
directed at me. To some degree you are preaching to the choir. I am sure there are a number of ladies in this field by choice. As I stated in my post I have met many college educated women in this business and some that were only in the business to pay for undergraduate or advanced degrees. Frankly a college degree is not a prerequisite to be intelligent or articulate.
However since you bring it up a number of these ladies had only undergraduate degrees in Physchology and Sociology. Unfortunately even when I was graduating from college you needed at least a Masters and more likely a Phd to make a good living working in those fields.
Actually it just appeared under yours as you were the last in the thread and just hit reply when I was finished reading (hate being moderated BTW). Should have taken the time todo it in response to the original poster. My apologies Stumpy.
Education is a good thing no matter where one receives it. I have always been a voracious reader and my parents were never one to hand out answers. Most of the questions I asked them were answered with a "look it up and you tell me" we were referred to the all knowing set of encyclopedia brittanica and the enormous dictionary with its own stand that my mother still has. Even if I had never attended a single class in an institute of higher learning I would still have continued to read and collect information on topics that interest me and listen to those around me that have unique knowledge and experience from which I can learn. I have found to a certain extent that that is nearly everybody. Many who have obtained their degrees and make sure you know all about it fail to have the modesty to recognize life itself is a constant education and test of ones ability and desire to learn and retain information. Invariably like the evil professor Higgins I end up no longer able to tolerate their company and find others more interesting and fun to spend time with. Lets face it phonies and pontificating assclowns are not sexy, whether they are the evil professor higgins, or a self inflated escort... can't remember who this quote is from but I have always liked it
"when one tries to sound intelligent one has already failed"
I've never talked to any hobbyist who chose his ladies by the initials they can place after their name. I too have found it comical to see horrid abuse of the English language and glaring typo's on websites representing allegedly well educated women. But honestly my first selection criteria isn't intellect. Just as you can start to tell if you'll click with someone over the phone, you can also start to tell if they're bright or not (depending on your choice of topics). So if you're in Boston at a bar and you meet a pretty girl wearing a Harvard sweatshirt and you chat her up you may find she's mensa qualified. You may also find that she stole that sweatshirt from the boyfriend she just dumped and she really needs you to help her get over him and then give her a lift to class at the Taco Bell training center tomorrow morning.
and i mostly agree with you. i don't care about their intellect all that much. yes, certainly a minimum amount of it is required to make their company pleasurable and make idle conversation go smoothly, but i'm apt to be more intrigued by the kind that isn't pretentious when it comes to intelligence or brains. i mean my god, isn't it enough that god blessed them with being so hot!?
i think different guys have different outlooks (and hence expectations) in regards to this "bizness" ... some think of it as "millenium dating" to find that ultimate woman [cough] with the ultimate personality/intellect. more power to them. others, see it as just an economically/emotionally more efficient way to get laid, nothing more.
i actually DO know some providers who are grad students in and around Boston (but i'm afraid i have yet to meet one from Hahvahd or MIT!) and they're definitely more palatable because of their education. but when they try to "engage" me intellectually i tell them to please stop, there's no need, that's not why i'm seeing them, etc. i invariably end up giving them the same tired old speech: that the civilians i meet and date have intellect to spare but almost zero sexuality. and therefore i like my providers to even out the imbalance by having the opposite pattern of endowment! LOL
As I review this list of ladies I have seen in the past several months, I find several college graduates. Furthermore, college graduates or not, all of the ladies I have seen have been above average in intelligence.
I would agree with Politically Incorrect that this may be related to my use of TER - somewhere in my sorting criteria, there must be a bias toward above average intelligence.
Sedona's comment about her uncle reminded me of something our old Chairman of the Board used to say. He bragged that he was successful because he surrounded himself with highly intelligent people. He would go on to say that when you speak to highly intelligent people, you must 1) speak slowly, 2) use small words, and 3) repeat yourself often.
A college degree is only slightly harder to get than a drivers license these days. My point is, it proves nothing. Plenty of dolts have both.
I do empathize with your disgust for some lady claiming to be a Havard grad, though. Maybe she went to Harvard High School somewhere. In any case, it's misrepresentation (NOT marketing).
Stay away. Integrity is one of the most desirable, and least prevalent, qualities in provider/hobbyist land.
It isn't that they are or are not graduates, it's that they are too dumb to recognize that they don't sound like or act like a person who has gone to college. I see the humor of the other posts about the college grad not being as bright as others who are non grads, but I don't think that is the point. It's that damned dummie who tries to be impressive by faking it and can't begin to pull it off.
I have two bachelors dgerees, a masters degree, a doctorate, a residency, and a fellowship under my belt. So you know what that makes me? JustAnotherDoc. There are thousands of us. No big deal. And, BTW, my ATF (who I love to bits) didn't finish highschool. She is extremely bright and we articualte and I consider her every bit my equal.
Summa cum laud...Phi Beta Kappa...honors program...you name it, I've got it, LOL. However, I don't advertise any of it.
Some of my clients know I graduated from college (if they ask), but none of my clients know I have a postgraduate degree.
I've found in my life that some men are intimidated by highly educated women. Therefore I keep a very low profile about my education and instead stress my enthusiasm for sex.
I'm fully aware a client is not booking time with me to discuss quantum physics....he's mostly interested in hot steamy sex...scintillating conversation is certainly a plus, but not required by most men.
So, absolutely, beware the girls who brag the most. The real McCoys are secure enough not to shout from the rooftops.
just as you don't go to McDonalds to order Terrine Foie Gras!
i'm one of those men whose job it is to rub brains with PhDs and Nobel Laureates all day long. the LAST thing i want from escorts in the evenings is to be intellectually challenged, especially since most of them fall pitifully short of the mark. sorry if that offends you, but that's just a statistical statement of FACT (and no reflection on the fine providers here in TER who are a cut above the rest).
and that's not an elitist remark either. what's wrong with being who you are? i enjoy talking to escorts about "girlie" stuff: their shoes, who did their hair, is that a Prada bag? etc. i'm not putting them down or saying that's ALL they're capable of conversing about. it's just a preference of mine. no mental sabres please ... let's f**k already!
as i said in this same thread (above) what's wrong with being a hot sexy woman? do you know how many female PhDs i know that would KILL to have you all's hot bods and sex appeal?
the providers who complain that men don't take their minds seriously are like soldiers who ask the enemy (right before killing him) if he is impressed by their college degrees... ok, maybe not the best analogy, but you get my drift
Isn't this just representative of society today. It is not just providers who exagerate(sp)their educational achievements. It happens in other professions also. I see newspaper articles a couple times a year where someone has finally been caught. Recent Washington DC Fire Chief was exposed for his embellished job application.
When there's an opportunity for people to advance their careers by cheating and lying about their accomplishments you can bet that people do. Whether it's from little things like that NYT reporter to more serious cases. I forget his name, but there is this famous academic historian who wrote a book (about WW2 I think) a scholarly book that turned out to be all made up. He was able to fool many people because of his expertise in the subject but just the same he fooled a LOT OF PEOPLE, until he was exposed and had to apologize.
I don't know which city you live in, but here in L.A, there are plenty of highly intelligent and intellectual ladies. I am pretty new in this hobby, but I had been with a freelance reporter, a musician and a law school student.
I,like most of us, just wouldn¡¦t understand their motives at first, but the musician lady enlightened me:In this man¡¦s world, it is still extremely difficult for a woman (without a rich husband or backed by a powerful family) to make it on her own. Most of them just get a job, get married and finish their live supporting their family; Few lucky ones with high intelligence, high level education, extraordinary endurance and aggressiveness make it on top; some ¡§not so lucky ones¡¨ with the same high intelligence, high education, extraordinary endurance and aggressiveness and even more courage who choose this providing business in need of the money to just get by and wait for that ONE break or that ONE window of chance to reach her goal.
For whose ladies, I have nothing but respect. Peace ļ
Personally, I lean towards a provider whose ears serve only as the ends of a wind tunnel. Make her blonde, excessively wealthy, living in the Bahamas, exclusive to me, and living with me as the center of her universe, and I'm all set.
I'm kidding, of course...she doesn't have to live in the Bahamas.
Let the "Die, you misogynistic scum!" flaming begin!
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