Review sites are great from the standpoint of being able to verify that a provider is likely not LE,  to get a general sense of how others have experienced her services and whether her appearance is likely recognizable from her pictures.....

... in helping me find providers with whom I've had positive experiences, with very few exceptions.  The reviews were an important part of my research.  I think they're a valuable resource for "mongers."

Never needed them and do very well and don't have a fraction of the crap pulled on me that I read on this board that some of the well reviewed hookers have to deal with. I have met with a few reviewers in my time and they were some of the worst sessions I have had. Also had a few decent ones but the best are from guys who don't review and stay off the boards.

The only headache I've ever gotten from TER was during my dealings (back in the dinosaur days) with founder Dave E.  That guy had a dark soul - I wouldn't be surprised if he were a bona fide sociopath.

so that we find what we are looking for, even though providers are punished by the existing system for not offering some services which may not be all that important to some or many of us,  and are rewarded for offering others which again may not be that important to some or many of us....

I really don't expect you to answer if you don't wish to but I am curious how a providers manages to disallow reviews these days with so many boards out there....

There is no way to know if a client is a reviewer.  Nor is there any way to prevent being reviewed on all message boards.  So let's just take the nonsense down a notch, okay?

Accuracy of photos
Menu offered.  
LE check
Legitimacy of reviews from reviewers
Bait and switch
Having reviews help establish credibility in a quick way.  

But whatever I do it works. Also not seeing a great deal of hobbyists also helps as the guys I see don't review and I do check the multiple review sites regularly. You see the fact that I don't allow them and it is on my website, deters those guys that have to have them. So that really narrows down even the possibility one gets written.

and I agree -   a lot of the times a guy writes a bad review because he was disappointed it is negative out of proportion, because he was had very high expectations based on inflated reviews by others..

based on having a quick flick through your images that I might be inclined to go with an 8 or maybe better myself -  you are one of my "types" -

There are degrees to the "we all score differently". In general ter has shown that it works for guys who know what they are looking for.  

I guess there are some guys who happen to stumble across her elsewhere. A girl once told me that a girl only needs like 20 clients more or less to sustain herself if she's doing it part time.

You bring up some excellent points and I agree with your contentions and points - but not your conclusion.

I guess the discussion boards are helpful. For me it's mostly a place to cut fool and play around with words and ideas. And I like to try to figure out what sort of mindsets are behind the posts, behind the personas.

If the latest reviews are good, high hopes get dashed and the next review comes down.
If a guy sees a bunch of mediocre reviews, he's pleasantly surprised by a good performance and the review score goes up.
In the end, the overall score tells more than any individual review.

This issue is simple for me -- if it wasn't for TER and similar sites, I wouldn't hobby.  The risk of LE, B & S, ROB, etc (gotta love the acronyms in the hobby, by the way -- I often feel I've shot down the rabbit hole into Alphabetland when I'm on TER) would be deal-breakers for me if I had to do it the way some of you guys used to do it years ago.

I know of several ladies who don't accept reviews and to date, haven't received any. That fact was surprising to me, but it was true.  Whatever they are doing to keep themselves off the review boards it's working.  

Unfortunately most of the time he is dead wrong, and yes this time included, for the very reasons you mentioned among others.

The problem seems to be that WB makes assumptions and even conclusions based on logic, and sometimes even common sense. The problem of course is that this business/hobby doesn't follow the rules of logic as sex and emotions are involved neither of which follow any rules of logic.

They are what cause the present problem of some gals badgering guys for 10s so they can climb on board the top ten lists.

Clients who rely on just the numbers and don't actually read the reviews degrade the efficacy of sites like this.

I suppose he has a future in politics, or academia.

Lots of rational sounding theories, but very little that actually applies in the real world.

Who reviews and who does not. All I know is they do not review me. I have a spreadsheet of every review site and they are checked often.

You can advertise, and have a nice reliable stable of clients. And never need a review do it.

I have my business model that works for ME. If a john doesn't like he can always go elsewhere. And I will say this again, I will not mention anything that I will and will not do until I see the john and his junk

And some johns have a hard time with it too. It really is not that hard. A well worded email from the right person and geez, what do ya know, no posted reviews.

I get it. And just as there are ways to screen guys without references, there are also ways to verify providers without reviews.

No car in my garage.
Just a bunch of shit piled up to the celing. Lots of junk.
Come over, and have a tall boy.
I'm only 5'9 though.

Has to do with where the ads are placed, how the ads are written, frequency they're posted, communication with the provider...stuff like that. But at the end of the day it comes down to gut feel. So certainly not foolproof. Maybe "verify" was too strong of a word lol

I think that disappointed hobbyists punish with low scoring a bit more than very pleasantly surprised hobbyists reward with higher scoring -

You stole that from Abe Lincoln

"He can compress the most words into the smallest ideas of any man I ever met." —Abraham Lincoln

Let's just say I "borrowed" it. lol

thank you are taking into account  

Because I hear more often than not it is my website, how it is written and the ads that attract and prompt the intro email.

and I largely agree -

Some of the most successful ladies in this industry don't allow reviews (Avery Moore comes to mind). I have no doubt that h+t does quite well.

I'm from the old days when one picked up the local small city paper and had hit and miss but largely good luck and rarely ran into LE probs at all -

especially since the baseline for "average" has now been set so high.

On a scale of one to ten, one would think that "average" would be a five, but that is simply not the case. The "average" now is somewhere around an 8-8.

I guess maybe it is much easier to "punish with a low score" than to "reward with a high score" as the numbers are so skewed it's almost impossible for a pleasantly surprised monger to significantly give a higher score than "average"

If even an average woman gets 8-8 reviews, and an above average woman routinely gets 9-9's with several tens thrown in, how does a guy reward her with an exceptionally high score when the scoring is capped off at ten? To be fair, and to have any chance of making a numerical score relevant, we need to establish "average" with the ability to score significantly above or below that average score as the situation warrants.

What is happening now is that the exceptional women have no chance of getting scores that would reward them being exceptional. All these cheap 10-10 reviews has cheapened the score so much as to make high numerical scores irrelevant, and it's those truly high performing ladies that should be the most irate.

And I pretty much have the same opinions and reasoning.

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Right...when everything kind of lines up like that and it feels right, that's when I've pulled the trigger. But if there's something that feels like an outlier, my gut will tell me to walk.

by which I mean that the baseline is way too high in the first instance, as it does not conform even loosely to any sort of probability density distribution even if one accounts for the idea that only better looking women would succeed as hookers -

There is a lot to be said for the way you do this.

I feel TER is like a first generation escort review site since the age of the Internet. It has its short comings,  but like everything else in technology, there's plenty room to grow. It works for us and we are certainly enjoying the benefits of the new technology we have since.  

quoted from Avery's blog -  

and it's that corrupt and much too high baseline that makes the numerical ratings system here all but worthless.

I will further agree with what I believe what DA said, that it's rare that a DDG woman will ever get below a 7 in appearance, no matter how much the reviewer wants to "punish" her for something performance related, but it's quite common for downright homely women to be rewarded with 9's and 10's by guys who simply have no taste. Notice I didn't say "different taste" I meant exactly what I said by NO taste, No one is ever going to convince me that an overweight woman in her fifties with average facial features and bone structure can possibly be a ten when compared to women in their twenties who actually have modeling careers. It's bullshit and we all know it.

erotica about myself!

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I've been at this since before the Internet, so I know what it was like before sites like this existed.  You really had to be a lone wolf because it was nearly impossible to share info with other mongers.  Yes, the review system here is deeply flawed and the numerical scores should be junked because they lead to too much manipulation on both sides.
But the site itself enables much, much more than simply reading reviews. The local boards, ISO Board and others are valuable resources for sharing information. The M&G Board is key to getting the word out on these valuable events.  PMs are a great way to share info back channel.
Also, people find other like-minded folks and great friendships can result.  I'm part of a group (no, not the group of bad boys on this board) that socializes together in NY, Las Vegas and other places.  It's been great fun.
So, could this place be better?  Sure, in lots of ways.  But this game is much, much better than the old ways when it's used intelligently.

So what if that is the criteria he uses. I am sure he does not need to apologize for making his own mind up and not relying on the offerings of strangers

She should work for Landmark Forum selling Bergen Quadrinity Process Evaluations!!!  

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But I definitely take the grades some guys give with a grain of salt.  
Both elevated and degraded.
If you don't set your standards high, you'll be disappointed.

I did not want to start off making a statement though but rather asking a question and presenting a perspective from the "other" side -

and you want us to assume you are not doing it for nefarious reasons????  

of what it is like to be reviewed -

we don't really need explicit reviews either -   a lot of them are either filled with childish jargon or more about the reviewer than the lady....

Not sure what you meant by "don't allow them". So you mean you have the power to prohibit a client from writing a review after seeing you? like using mind-control?  

Honest discussion on a P4P board.  

I've done quite well. Have met really amazing ladies, some of whom I've reviewed and some of whom I haven't, and have had loads of fun in the process!  

I have no reason to believe what "hbyist+truth=;(" says about...well...anything.  With no evidence to the contrary, I've come to believe that h+t is one of the bigger trolls on this board.  Of course there may be evidence out there somewhere - but I'm not interested enough to investigate.  I'm just here for the lighthearted banter!

the search function in the reviews data base.

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Lately, I've inquired towards the end of the session if he writes reviews. If he does write reviews then I ask him to wait until his second session before writing one. On the second visit, most ask if I want or need a review, at that point I politely let them know I don't need any more.
And as long as TER doesn't allow delisted providers new reviews, it is possible not to be reviewed or have reviews. Other review boards, I wouldn't know.
 

A provider that does well without reviews is of little concern for those that choose to follow reviews to make the best informed decision, and particularly the newbie.

If I were a rip off, ugly as a hat full of assholes or misrepresent in any way, I would have had that plastered over the local boards and would not get clients and certainly would never have repeats.

My monitoring of review sites to make sure I am not reviewed has nothing to do with you or anyone else?  

It goes against the grain however it was relevant. To this mob there is no alternative to not being reviewed other than to be avoided my the majority. Bucking the system comes with a price. For those who felt contempt at my refusal to be reviewed, try yoga or meditation. Or simply mind your own business, live and let live and only see well reviewed ladies.  

A john can write the review and then he can submit the review. It won't get posted.  

Don't quite know what your beef is with me Mimi, but the fact that I don't allow reviews seems to have gotten right up your nose. Because I have been on here a while and this is the very first thread that you have replied to concerning what I do or don't allow. And believe me there have been many more that you could of had a field day with.  

If so do you think a guy should do so as well? Without reviews how are we to determine you are safe? The first time I seen an escort I was robbed. It was before I knew a damn thing about the risks. Not every lady who has a site is safe. How do we stay safe minus reviews? This isn't an attack, I am honesty wondering minus reviews how we avoid scams and LE? Or doesn't that matter? I would love to learn a different method of screening ladies for safety and legitimacy.

If I were a rip off, ugly as a hat full of assholes or misrepresent in any way, I would have had that plastered over the local boards and would not get clients and certainly would never have repeats."

"And please explain how my monitoring of review sites is nefarious?"

I have had a website up consistently for a number of years, am known in my area and have actually seen on the local boards inquiries about me.  

I don't allow them and that's that. Do you really think dissecting my posts will change my policy? No it won't. And it matters not to me whether you see reason in what I have said. The fact remains...I do not allow reviews.

I am quite comfortable with my motives and how I do things. You will have to ask the forum why I do not get hammered.

If you feel my presence is bad for the board and that I should not have a place to voice an opinion because you feel I am not legitimate in so far as no reviews or a profile, then then go to admin and have my profile removed. Or better still, petition to only allow hookers here that have reviews and a visible profile and why not. while you're at, ask admin to disallow hookers the use of an alias so they can't hide at all.  

The point is not whether you are legitimate or hot or great at your job.  

Is that how TER works? a provider having VETO power over any review submitted? If that's the case then I plead guilty of ignorance.  

Pity you can't ask them as I really would love a couple to explain to you why they chose me.  

And chasing after my posts trying to understand why any reasonable guy would see me. Seems to me that you feel all hookers should get reviews. Seems to me you can't handle those that don't and feel they are a blight on the hobby scene because they must be a rip off or a scam.  

I have already said I check frequently to make sure. If another review site pops up, they get sent an email and they get watched closely.  

You know I don't give a hoot who does or doesn't 'allow' reviews.

I am relieved that you will keep avoiding my posts, I don't think I could keep up with your witty persiflage.

I’m coming in late, and this reply is getting buried under the other posts, but I do work a full time job.