I have been seeing a wonderful provider, she is my ATF, and have we have met over 10 times, always for a 2 hour date, and they have all been pure heaven.  So I asked her before Christmas if she would join me for a 4 hour dinner date at my favorite restaurant - a pre-Christmas treat, and this was not off-the-clock time, I expected to cover her time at her normal rates, and I asked her for a 4 hour long date.  

you do not know how to tell her?...you just told all of us...by now you should be able to talk straight with her

and since you pay for time, you should have said something to her like:  I'll make up for the extra time.

Be Honest and Blunt with her do not let her get away with this behavior.  

i never book time, esp. social public time, with a provider unless both she and i are clear about how many hours are spent where doing what, and for how much, ie, send her an email before hand saying "just to be clear, you and i will be enjoying 2 hours of dinner followed by 2 hours back at your incall for the rate of yada yada yada.

love you!

Mr you are the perfect example of my post about a week ago,Dictating our own prices,everything that happen to us is our own fault,to begin with it looks like you are a very needy individual,why would you have to pay a hooker to have dinner with you?,Can you have dinner with a truly friend and share the bill?,Let the hookers pay for their dinners with the money they make from us,Why are you even considering to see her again if she ripped you off?,providers like this one  and many others that are abusing us with their prices deserve that we dictate our own prices,until we do this,things like this are   going to  continue to happen.

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I've had a lot of meals that have lasted every bit of four hours.

Prostitutes use that gimmick to fool guys into overpaying them.  Looks like you got fooled.

And that entire time was at dinner. Then you wanted more time for sex....were you going to pay for it? Or did you expect it for free?  

I agree. This, imho, is exploitive and disrespectful on her part. ATF's come and go. Find a new one and tell her why you are looking. I guess you should have asked her if dinner would be "off the clock" before hand, but being charged the hourly rate when there is no sex involved is ridiculous. ESPECIALLY when it is four hours.

We had known each other a good while and had done dinner a lot.  Not because I'm desperate for company as the dinner rate was cheap - but because I like her company.

And btw, didn't try to dictate prices on Wall Street? You definitely should try. Or do some sort of revolution. And think about yourself as leader of course. xo

with her wasn't a social only donation and it left you feeling used. Then the ball is her court. She'll either make it up to you because she values your biz or she'll get defensive and blow you off. If she does the ladder,  move on until she comes to her senses...or doesn't.  

I mean he did nothing to say "hey let's get going for dessert". He let the whole time play out and then wanted more time unpaid for...that is not cool either.

You would have thought since they have seen each other a few times beforehand there would be some communication regarding this.  

You could have wrapped up dinner whenever you wanted.  If, at the two- or three-hour mark, you expressed wanting to go have some fun and she said no, that would have been a ripoff and uncool. But if you were at four hours already, you placed a bet that you would get to pay for four hours but get more and it backfired.  Lesson learned.  She's an opportunist, perhaps, but not a ripoff artist if she gave you her full time.

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Dinner was 2 hours.  I paid the bill and then said why don't we go back to your place, while I was getting a cab.  So know I was not looking for extra time, or OTC time.  You all are right, gotta be up front with her.  Thanks.

that a pure social date really should not cost as much as a more robust encounter lol, should it?  

it would be really interesting if she posted her version - not to doubt the op, but I think that even when people hear the same thing they are interpreting it differently.  Think Annie Hall (though I don't think that was her real name)

You had a hooker for four hours and never discussed when sex was to take place? You didn't crush it BEFORE dinner and then AGAiN after?

That's a pretty expensive dinner
I like to have some playtime before going out to dinner because a full stomach slows down my metabolism  
Then return after dinner for dessert
I could never take that much money for time at dinner
I know many ladies do...

That would have been very helpful. You made it seem like the entire 4 hours was dinner and then she left.

and then she left before the 4 hours was up. Don't you think that was an incredibly important part to omit in the beginning? He made it sound like the entire time was at dinner.

In the first portion (though I'm somewhat skeptical given that you are just now saying this) then that is theft and why have you not called her out on it in person, in texts, or on here?

not sure if the facts are being made to fit the case, or there was a brain freeze in the op.  Either way, yes - incredibly important as that takes the 4 hour argument out of play.

Obviously your first post wasn't clear. Many thought you spent 4 hours at dinner.  
Be upfront and tell her you want to collect on the 2 hours she still owes you. You might get radio silence and never hear from her again, or she might actually make it up to you. If it's the former, would you really want to see her again after she ripped you off? If she does offer to make it up it will probably be some compromise. I doubt she will give you a free 2 hour session, but she might give you another 4 hour date for the price of 2. Hookers never want to leave empty handed. Even when they "make it up to you," it usually involves them leaving with cash in their purse.

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He could not imagine that such thing might happen. And her texting him asking about next date adds to this confusion. Xo

well I think! Hope to find out for sure. Road test on my road trip?  
Nah. More like a primary destination.

Go ahead and book another 4 hour with her and one hour before call her and cancel it,you will not get your money back but will cost her 4 hour of her time...

Sr the revolution is comig but very slowly in this country,look around you and think about everything that is happening.

The devil is in the detail. What I find confusing is how this could have gone so wrong with her being your ATF. Sounds like there may be a bit more to the story ...  btw, that's not a challenge or judgment. But inquiring minds may want to know ...

if the guy's seen her 10 times before and went into this without making clear the expectations, then it's on him.

and then gets your revenge by keying the guys car.  

Thank you very much for your kind words and continue to support the hookers with you hard work,very smart....$500,$700,$900,lol

.... have been rather impressive lately.

Although I don't come on the board whining about all those mean hookers charging prices I can't afford, like a certain dipshit we all know. I don't pay ridiculous prices for pussy either, but as someone who most people would consider grossly overpaid myself, I don't whine about what other people make.

some even made it. But in general it added little value to the people's lives. And you really sound like a punk

Calling out a little punk ass bitch, or is he more of a bitch ass punk? either way, calling him out for his cowardly way of getting even is hardly "sucking up"

The food may not be four star, but at least the service is, and I don't have to tip either.

Talking about STUPID...lol

and not just stupid, but cowardly as well. Please keep up, or would you like me to type a little slower for you?

Mr there is not reason to offend people and you were the one who begin,that clearly tells me who you are,if you don't like my post don't read it!!!,have a nice evening with a hooker at $,600 an hour,lol.

I'm surprised that the OP referred to this provider as his 'ATF'.  All-Time-Favorite is a relative term, and I'm sure it means different things to different people. But my ATF would never have charged me for dinner--that's kind of why she was my ATF.  I'd see her on a regular basis & she'd spend off-the-clock time with me.   I'd pay her for an hour + gas money (she lived out of state).  We'd have dinner together off-the-clock. Sometimes I'd pay for two hours & she'd spend all afternoon with me.    

So do I need to add illiterate to your growing list of shortcomings?

If you booked 4 hours you should get 4 hours
I suggest that the next time she contacts you, tell her you found someone who respects you for your time and money
Move o

Thank you very much Mr smart,conmas are part of many articles,it helps you to read and understand better,I think that you are the illiterate  in this case,just keep offending,it clearly shows who you are.

I love ya Alyson but here is my thoughts and it's perfectly fine we don't agree

And I charge different amounts for different things, often because of the degree of difficulty.  But everyone's different. This is your business and if you think the value of you going to dinner is the same as that of other things you provide, that then is a truth I cannot and will not dispute.

The answer to this one is pretty obvious. If I go to a shopping mall and offer women 500 bucks to fuck me, I'm not likely to get any positive responses. Therefore fuck time is worth the money.

frankly, providers would probably prefer to do something else with their free time: friends, family, something that they really want to do. Providers need down time, so entertaining you is not that appealing. It's work. They have to pretend to like basketball when they hate it?

o not waste your time taking Alyson out to dinner. What an ungrateful b***h you are!

Why would you love to take her out for a night on the town?

My assumption is that she felt that you knew the hobby well as you have seen her regularly so when the 4 hours ran out, she set her boundaries as always and kept it moving.  It is a tough call and agreed that the communication needed to have happened prior to the date.  Honestly, meet her again and talk to her...I try to mention the time frame in your case to ask if we should make a move to a more comfortble location or is this date only to be out and about together in public.  That usually is met with a quickening of pace and back to the condo/hotel!

Do you really think that "calling this person out" is going to somehow change his behavior and make him self-assess?

Maybe you would just give him the two hours you owe him (but I suspect you would never let something like this happen in the first place), but a lot of providers will not. As I said, even when they owe you and say they "want to make it up to you" they still want to leave with more money.

She owes him 2 hours.

How hard would it have been to tell her if you don't finish the session you will have ripped me off and I will report that on your review? This needed crowd sourcing?

In the original post he mentions a 4 hours date and then says at the ed of b=dinner she left. Very ambiguous and open to interpretation...especially when no mention of any left over time was mentioned until way later in the thread.

I am with her on this. I have great friends I want to have dinner with, not an old trick who feels his company is enough for me to spend a couple of hours listening to his jibber jabber and pretending to give a shit. I get paid to do that and suck his dick.  

in the first place.  You certainly can't force yourself on someone but by the next day she must have realized she was paid for 4 hours...  but the date fell far short.  At that point, I'd have had to give her the benifit of the doubt but having done so the ball would be in her court to correct the misunderstanding.  It would have been better to avoid the misunderstanding entirely...  by explaining when you booked this non-menu date, just what your expectations were.  Maybe she thought it was a generous tip?  Maybe she does not count her money closely...  Is it possible?
If you truely want to continue with her...  and I'm not sure I would.  I think you two need an adult conversation, non-acusatory but somehow this was a misunderstanding.  This will be a difficult conversation, but it's that or move on.  She clearly does not understand or she would not be messaging you for more dates.  
I would just tell her "we need to talk".

I agree 100%.  in the civvie world, when you take a woman out to dinner or even several dates, you never know what you will get.  What I like about our world is that you know you will get sex, even thought it might be a range of good to bad.  Escorts must laugh at suckers who take them out, spend weekend with them, etc.  I am 54 years old and "one and done" kind of guy, so it is usually 30 minutes of fin and 30 minutes of chat.  when you meet someone at a college reunion you ask "where do you live, are you married, do you have children and what kind of job do you have".  The conversation runs out pretty fast.  With escorts there is only so much to talk about especially if you want to keep personal things private.  There must be some guys with lots of money or very broke when they go over one hour of tome and companionship!

Jack, I used to think that your realistic responses about how TER folks are all Hookers and Johns was insensitive, as I felt that I was just "exploring my sexuality" with "adventurous free spirited girls".  For my only two month career with only 5 providers, I never crossed the line and saw anyone more once, knew their real names, took them out for social dates in public, etc.  I never had an affair or did the Sugar Daddy thing, it was just a 54 year old guy who married his first girlfriend at a young age and still happily married after 32 years.  Raised two children and had some extra funds, so wanted to fuck some pretty, kinky girls in their twenties.

Just tell her you were disappointed last time you met.  Maybe she will do the right thing.  What the heck, nothing to lose.  Since you feel (understandably) ripped off, I assume you don't plan to see her again unless she makes some attempt to rectify the issue