Well, I will give you credit, at least this time you stayed on topic and didn’t make it about my alias and the fact it doesn’t allow you to see my reviews.
And, not really that bananas if you understand what I was referencing by bluff. The bluff is, if she says she is coming after him, and he says if you do I will divulge that you allowed me to pay for sex and you’re an escort. I’m sure some providers would fall for this one. Now, it could be for various reasons and not just because they’re afraid of legal action. Maybe they don’t want their business out there? And, this threat from the guy could very well be a bluff. Not 100% guarantee, because some might actually follow through and take the if I am going down, you’re coming with me route. But I would imagine most wouldn’t since it is also outing themselves.
There’s been an uptick in casual conversations about filming and in inquiries. Some clients want to capture the moment “just for themselves.” Others talk about being a "stunt dick" for clips to OnlyFans or sites based abroad, thinking that geography or discretion makes it okay. So let’s clear this up:
No matter the country, platform, or level of privacy you think you’re maintaining, if there’s no signed model release, it’s not legal to share, post, or profit from the content. Here’s why:
1. 18 U.S. Code § 2257 Compliance (aka “2257 regulations”)
If you film any explicit content with the intent to share, you’re required by U.S. federal law to maintain proper age verification records and model releases. It doesn’t matter if you’re a solo creator or filming abroad, if it touches a U.S.-based audience or platform (which 99% of content will), you’re on the hook.
More here from the DOJ (https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/18-usc-2257-recordkeeping-requirements-compliance)
2. Platform Terms of Service (TOS):
Major platforms like OnlyFans, ManyVids, Pornhub, and Fansly require you to submit a signed model release from every person appearing in the content even if they’re “not shown” (re: face is blurred or you can only hear their voice) or it’s “just for subscribers.” If you upload content without this, they can remove your account and, depending on the circumstances, report you.
• OnlyFans TOS (https://onlyfans.com/terms) (see Section 5 and 6)
• ManyVids Performer Agreement (https://www.manyvids.com/Content/terms/)
• Pornhub Model Program Requirements (https://help.pornhub.com/hc/en-us/articles/360036011274-Model-Verification-Process)
When a Creator films without a release, whether they are the client or the SWer:
• The Creator risks violating revenge porn laws (many states now have serious penalties).
• The Creator can be reported to platforms, banned, or even sued.
• The Creator may unintentionally expose someone, including themselves to harm, stalking, blackmail, or career-damaging leaks.
• The Creator, should they be a SWer and not a client, is putting their brand and income in jeopardy.
A few common myths:
• “We’re overseas, so we don’t need a release.” Unequivocally false. Many international platforms still follow 2257 AND/or require compliance with local consent laws.
• “I’m not showing faces.” That doesn’t make it legal.
• “It’s just for me.” That doesn’t eliminate the need for consent or documentation to protect BOTH parties.
At the end of the day, filming without proper documentation isn't just a bad look, it's a legal liability. If you're genuinely interested in creating content, approach it like a professional would: with transparency, respect, and the desire to do what's best to keep both parties safe.
Just so I understand better where you are coming from. You are talking about legal framework for filming within the broader context of P4P- which in and of itself is illegal in most of the United States of America.
So what legal recourse does a plaintiff (in this case a provider) has if they want to sue a defendant (in this case a monger), who taped her without consent. Isn't this akin to a thief hurting himself during a burglary, and then blaming the home owner for not mopping the water off the floor.
P.S. Certain providers should make a note as to what an interesting topic looks like. And barring a few exceptions, largely simp men who can barely wipe drool off their face whenever they see someone of other gender, and will bend backwards to score brownie points, most of the seasoned mongers would prefer a quality post like this over some mindless nonsense that gets posted here.
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Sure, if she blurts out “he was paying me for sex” she may be SOL. I would imagine if she wanted to take legal action, she would avoid this detail. I’m sure it can be extracted in court somehow. But that only works if the client decides to divulge that part. Not sure it helps the client much either to admit that detail. In all likelihood, any decent lawyers will try to come to a settlement. The question is whether settling gets him off the hook because he was paying for sex or not. I’m no lawyer, but my interpretation is they’re both guilty of illegally paid sex. But only he is guilty of illegally filming her. If bluffs are called, he has more to lose.
from personal experience that carries any weight is "I'm no lawyer." A filming case is a Civil Case, and about money sought by the aggrieved party. Violations of criminal statutes concerning filming is a criminal case. Criminal cases are given priority over a competing Civil case, and the Civil case will likely be stayed by the civil court until the criminal case plays out. If the defendant is found guilty in a criminal case, the civil case is likely a slam dunk, but from a practical standpoint, any money that might be gained from enforcement of a civil judgement has probably already been spent on attorneys fees in the criminal case, and he will have no income while sitting in prison. If the defendant is found innocent criminally, an aggrieved party may still sue Civilly and win a monetary judgment, which has a lower standard of proof, but then the challenge is collecting on the judgment. Best example of this is the OJ Simpson case; criminally innocent, but civilly liable for monetary damages which the plaintiffs are still trying to collect from OJ's estate.
Civil cases are settled with money between the parties, while Criminal cases can only be settled between the defendant and the prosecutor. Whether or not they are both guilty of illegally paid sex is a separate triable issue. Naturally, they are BOTH going to claim they money was for the filming, not the sex, which creates reasonable doubt. In the absence of documentation to the contrary, the next best evidence would be oral testimony, and if the adversarial parties are both testifying to the same set of facts, there is no case for prosecution. Accordingly, your interpretation is bananas. I wouldn't rely too much on "bluffing" if you find yourself in this situation.
Well, I will give you credit, at least this time you stayed on topic and didn’t make it about my alias and the fact it doesn’t allow you to see my reviews.
And, not really that bananas if you understand what I was referencing by bluff. The bluff is, if she says she is coming after him, and he says if you do I will divulge that you allowed me to pay for sex and you’re an escort. I’m sure some providers would fall for this one. Now, it could be for various reasons and not just because they’re afraid of legal action. Maybe they don’t want their business out there? And, this threat from the guy could very well be a bluff. Not 100% guarantee, because some might actually follow through and take the if I am going down, you’re coming with me route. But I would imagine most wouldn’t since it is also outing themselves.
you will also learn that when there is a bust involving a provider and a John, prosecutors tend to go harder on the John, because it has long been the policy of various Justice departments that if you kill the market, the provider has no one to sell to. Even though you have doubled down on your suggestion of bluffing, if the John is facing more stringent penalties, the bluff is worthless. The only guarantee that is 100% in this situation is that any guy who tries this is a complete moron. The provider is more likely to say, "Go ahead, take your best shot. We can call the district attorney together right now."
If you would listen and learn, you would not keep making a fool of yourself commenting on topics you know nothing about, like this one.
Couldn’t last a second response without saying something that is both wrong and stupid. Your entire resume is robotic experiences followed by robotic reviews with Kgirls. You keep acting like you’re king shit, but what comes out of your mouth is actually pretty stupid.
In a sting, it can be far worse for the provider. A client is more likely to be hit with one offense, which is a misdemeanor charge. Certainly, if their are records that can be validated, which isn’t easy, it’s not impossible that a client can be hit with multiple charges. The escort however is much more likely to be hit with multiple charges. Multiple charges is a felony offense and the penalties are much harsher.
But hey, sit there on your high horse and act like you know more than everyone else on this board.
the subject to a sting on a provider only. Just so you know, it's almost impossible for a sting to target a provider AND a john at the same time. They either target Johns, using a policewoman decoy, or they target providers, using an undercover vice officer posing as a customer. In a sting, how do they charge a provider with multiple offenses? She is only arrested for falling into the sting once. Likewise, explain the legal theory how a John can get hit for multiple charges by showing up at a decoy sting? Each time you post, you show you are less knowledgeable about prostitution and law enforcement.
Once again, you are completely wrong. No provider can be charged with multiple offenses when caught in a single sting. Do you realize how stupid you sound? You are so inexperienced in P4P, you pose a danger to yourself and anyone who takes your insane advice. You should change your alias to, "heshitsheloses."
Lastly, you are an alias with NO reviews. Do you see the irony in you criticizing ANYONE ELSE'S reviews. You are a complete moron when it comes to P4P. You should stay in your lane . . . . the no-review and no-experience lane. Step back a little, my high horse is shitting on your Vans. Lol
Typical, CDL. Doesn’t understand a reference and takes everything literal. You think I changed the subject to a sting because that’s how your small brain works. The same brain that needs a formula to write hundreds of reviews. Nothing is original with you. There is no sign of thought in your pee brain.
The topic is absolutely not a sting. That’s what’s called an example. I used that example because they are more real than a tattle tale in a dispute over a client recording the provider without consent. You literal dummy.
Now, of course if an actual sting is set up, there is a primary target. Since you dug in this way. A sting on an operation, like an agency, makes the most sense. That’s the most likely way to get them on multiple charges - a felony offense. The escorts are repeat offenders. The clients in this case aren’t being tracked the same. They’re only fucked if the agency has records that damns them. The sting on guys is less common. It’s a misdemeanor. They’re more likely to go after peds.
But back on topic. His threat is to expose her as an escort who does this for a living. In this particular case, he is leas likely to have seen her more than once, and she is highly unlikely to have any information about him seeing other escorts. While he may only have seen her once, he probably can point to ads and online activity to point out she has made this a business and this wasn’t a one time thing. Her risk is without a doubt bigger in the escort part.
The funny thing is I was humble enough to begin by admitting I am no lawyer. That’s still true. And you can certainly poke holes in my ideas. But you flaunt that I admitted that as if that was the only thing of value, then arrogantly act like you know the law as well as a lawyer, when your idiot brain isn’t one either.
And of course Mr. Haven’t Reviewed in 2 1/2 years, and even when I did they were all fake, is back to where it all began. It’s nice to see you volunteered to be TER’s own Village Idiot. Keep up the good work, CDLOL.
Filming without consent is a felony. Distribution without consent is another felony. It falls under the same laws as revenge porn.
If you are interested in filming I suggest you get a video of her first consenting to the entire thing. If she's not willing to sign a contract with her real name.
Recourse, if someone filmed you without your consent is to make sure you have good proof. If it's on their Only Fans, etc, get screen capture software to show the porn.
Then contact the police stating you did not give consent and want to press charges.
Then contact every site the porn is on and demand it be removed immediately. Also demand to know whatever financial arrangements and payments have been provided to the person owning the page. If they do not provide it, the information will be subpoenaed.
Then call a lawyer. Let your lawyer do everything else. They will usually work on a contingency, meaning you pay a small retainer and they get 1/3-1/2 of the final settlement depending on how far it goes. The platform will probably settle quickly once you establish the content creator did not maintain proper image release forms or pay you for the content.
Thanks to those who engaged thoughtfully, especially those who brought clarity around the differences between civil and criminal law. I want to circle back to the core point of this thread.
Regardless of whether the broader context involves an illegal act (P4P), the act of filming without consent and especially distributing or monetizing that content is a separate and serious offense under both civil and criminal statutes. These are not mutually exclusive legal realms. Yes, it’s possible to sue even if the encounter was transactional. Civil courts deal in damages, not criminal morality. And while some providers may choose not to pursue legal action to maintain privacy, that doesn’t mean the law would not side with them if they did. And I really want to focus on
To clarify some misinformation:
• Bluffing about “outing” someone as a defense? It assumes she’ll fold out of fear, but guess what? Most providers I know have thicker skin and better legal advice than the average board poster. Also, it's not only cowardly, it’s weak legally. Courts are not interested in tit-for-tat confessions. Threatening exposure only confirms who’s really desperate and courts see right through it. Prosecutors are more likely to go after the person who violated consent and privacy laws than the one who is the Sex Worker.
• Claiming the content was paid for, not the sex? That’s a reach if you don't have the signed model release and ID verification per 2257 and platform TOS.
• Spy cams and hidden cameras are a growing problem.
There’s been a noticeable uptick in providers reporting clients trying to film them without consent using concealed devices. Some of that footage is even showing up on private, niche platforms. But here’s the twist: those platforms are being found. Because if anyone is a world-class gossip, it’s not women, it’s men. Bragging in group chats, “private” message boards, etc... it gets out. Someone always wants clout, someone always leaks the link, and then someone sends it to her inbox or an internet savvy escort finds it. That’s when lawyers, police, and platform admins get involved.
At the end of the day, this is about setting clear ethical and legal standards for interaction, especially when cameras are involved. If you’re filming, get it in writing. If you’re not, don’t do it. It’s really that simple.
I just want to say, thanks & well done to the OP, Paige, for this interesting and informative thread. The relevance is obvious in today's tech driven world, and her insight is compelling. I read the whole thread, including the many varied and divergent replies...!
One thing that struck me was the Sub-topic/Side topic of hidden cameras, and the efforts of staying 'Unphotographed" by providers who want to remain anonymous or hidden in terms of their face and identity (for whatever reasons)....
With modern advances in technology and in hidden cameras, it is more difficult than ever to remain unphotographed, anonymous and hidden. PLUS....the sheer number of surveillance, security and regular business cameras in ALL aspects of everyday life now make it very likely that even the most careful provider has been captured in a photograph by a client or someone unknown to her.
I thought about this on my last date with a provider (who happened to be EXTREMELY paranoid and stringent about keeping her face hidden on the HUNDREDS of photos she has online via her social media pages, and the countless escorting websites she advertises on....it seemed to me she was actively working AGAINST her stated goal of staying hidden...) I was literally imagining the different ways and methods someone could, if he was an asshole with bad intentions, capture her photo without her ever even knowing....and none of these methods involved using a "hidden camera" or tiny obscure cameras (which, in today's ever evolving tech world, are harder to find than ever!)