First of all I think most of us are "good" people (relatively speaking) with "good" intentions towards one another.

I've never met a client who has come in calling me a bitter fat old bitch whore and I don't suspect that those who use that language to describe the "majority" of providers here use that language with women they spend time with.  I've never gone into attack bitchface mode with a client I've met or personally communicated just because it felt good to do so.  I love and respect my clients and clients in general, I think most clients really enjoy all of the possibilities with the ladies who make themselves readily available.

I think that we all speak in generalities on these boards and I think that the worst creeps in when we feel like people are disrespecting us for what we are, be it a client or a provider.

I appreciate this post and thread but you can't unring a bell.  The aliases and trash talking and anger explosions have been promoted in the name of free speech for so long...you can't expect the unreasonable to be reasonable because you've realized that respectful discourse isn't such a bad idea.

Reading through the thread on blacklisting, I can't help but wonder if we've lost our way.  I mean, we all know that shit happens and it's great to learn lessons from the mistakes of others, BUT...it seems that a whole lot of hate is residing here.  When I hear guys going on about how evil providers are, I have to shake my head.  I'm not blind to games that some of them play, but some guys come across as hating women in general.  That's OK too, but why pay to have sex with them if you hate women?  Do providers really hate guys to the point that in spite of making a decent living from them, they can't wait to attack?

We all have our favorites and it's even fun to trash talk each other.  Many of the "victims" are friends with their attackers, but this place is getting too hostile even for my taste.  I don't want to censor, and probably won't do so even if asked to, but PLEASE can we try just a little to respect each other?  I mean, if it's not fun to be here, what's the point?

IMO you would have a lot more credibility in saying that if your fellow moderator wasn't one of the worst offenders. Maybe you should start there first.

It is my experience that the hateful group is a VERY loud minority.

Sadly they scare off the ones who are not so.

As the board becomes more hostile, and kind posters take flight, it acts  like a magnet to attract other hostile posters.

I echo your thoughts. The majority of the posters here, did seem to like this boards free flow and lack of censorship, when the topic came up last month, but yes sometimes things do get way out of hand. Some of the men here definitely seem like they hate women, and some of the women seem like they hate men, but then why would you go into this hobby, or this profession, if that is the case? For me, I love women. I love some more than others, and I willingly pay only certain types to have sex with them," but I love em all. (Well maybe not all, but most.) The bantor and trash talk here can be fun, but when things get out of hand, like the thread in question, it is just stupid. I was tempted so many times today, to post to that thread, and even had my fingers on the keyboard, but kept telling myself "stay away." I'm glad I did.
It must be interesting to see behind the curtain of aliases and see some people who are normally friends, get into some dumb heated argument.

Why are we here? Here is your quote from a month ago. Hopefully I have your permission to reprint it.  "Aren't we just here to have fun, chase skirts and talk shit?"

ROFLMFAO!!!! I fucking agree! Fuck yeah!!!!

It's a common occurrence.  Maybe too much testosterone ?
I think the girls help tone it down with some lovin.

After all, you can't blame the chef if he's given questionable ingredients.

I also lean towards going with more free speech rather than less.  What's the point of surpressing what's out there already?

I myself think I've become a bit inured to the pointy elbows on this board.  It's gotten to the point where I threaten people at work who bug me with posting them on the black list.

I got to say, I've gotten some strange looks over that but they have tended to be less annoying after that.

It's an ill wind that blows no one good, and all that.

Look, you know who I am and you know my opinions.

I didn't mean to set you on the defensive.

I was not insinuating that the board is what it is because of you or the other current moderator specifically.

But what I'm saying is is that this has been a wheel in motion for quite a long time now, yes, even prior to your time on the GD board.

Raising the hands in the air and saying who are we and what have we become cannot stop what has already been *allowed and encouraged* for years.

The provider only board is a war zone no doubt and in my time as a provider it has gotten progressively worse.  Frankly I think that is a product of the economy, but that is debatable.
I tend to think a lot of what we see on this board is a product of the economy too - a lot of bitterness, angst, "us-versus-them" self-important bullshit maximized to the nth degree.

Freedom of speech, alias usage SPECIFICALLY to insult and harangue others based on their physical appearance and beat down other people's ideas...my post wasn't about you but can you say that these things weren't encouraged in the past?

Things are what they are now as a result and everyone just has to deal with it in their own way.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic about my input or what, but at any rate I'm glad to hear that even you are wary of the perpetual darkness on this board.

I can check in for a few days and check out whenever I want to.  

Theirs is not a responsibility I would want and I appreciate that they do it.

I thought there was a lot of hate here and had trouble separating the goofing around from the truly disturbed.  Stuck around because ???  But, yeah, the first impression this place gives has probably moved from "fun, sexy, erotic" to " angry, disturbed, fun, sexy"

Yeah dude, I also sense that vibe too. But, its like that everywhere you go. The GD isn't the only place where it takes place, I see it at my work place (because my work place is dominated by women, and they can be real bitches, I see why some men hate women), at the grocery store, other states, other countries (hell, its even worse in some countries), its everywhere dude. As you know, the world ain't perfect, it has never been perfect.

I see guys that personally have an agenda to hate girls in general, not exclusively to providers, but to the gender as a whole. The same scenario about girls too. I've studied some shit in college for girls that hate on guys, they were called extreme feminist. They'll do anything and everything to make it a difficult place for men.

When people hate, they have many deficiencies in their lives. This can either be personal, self esteem, feeling of belonging, financial, insecurity issues, their ego, and plenty of other reasons. This reminds me, about the theorist Maslow. It's called Maslow hierarchy of needs. There were 8 stages to it, and I'll use his theory to answer your question. It's basically looks like a food pyramid, at the bottom is what you need most, and at the top is what you need least.

So, to use his theory to hopefully answer your question. Why guys pay for sex even though they have such a high degree of hate towards women. Well, at the bottom of the pyramid, its the physical need. And, that need is what we need most. This can be water, food, and sex. So, guys need sex to survive. Move two stage up, its belonging and love needs. Some guys may lack these qualities when they were younger from their mom's, and they may not have a healthy relationship with them. So, some men grow up to hate women because of their unhealthy relationship with their mom's.

Fourth stage is self esteem. If your insecure about yourself, then you tend to hate others or in this case, a women because he may lack the proper tools to satisfy her. Other self esteem issues can be exemplified. There are four more stages, but I feel that this is turning into an essay. Hopefully, I used his theory to answer your questions as to being gender bias.

As for me, I like everyone, even people I dislike. I can tolerate them, but I don't hate them. When I see someone that hates me, I know that they are insecure about themselves and have deficiencies in their own lives, which cause them to hate. I already have everything I need in my life, personal, financial, friends, or whatever it may be. So, I show them compassion because they lack these qualities.

Let them be how they want to be, you can't censor everyone, its either give me liberty or give me death. Hopefully, they will see how shameful their behaviors are to make some adjustments BTW, I'm always here for entertainment purposes, that's what the GD board is here for

But that's just me talkin'. I'm a drunk and I don't know WTF.

When I first came on this board I was a newbie just trying to learn about this fascinating world.  I guess I've gotten so used to the sharp elbows here that even threads like PanAmlong's don't bother me.  I guess you can get used to anything.  As to the ranters, they're just confused, believing misogyny=masculinity.  That, I believe, is incurable.
There are enough reasonable people on this board that, once you get to know the players and how to play the game, everything's fine.  It's just words on a fuck board.  If you give much of a shit, well....
I have no beef with the mods.  Even the obnoxious one.  LOL!

I have been around for going on 7 years.  A long time lurker.  I was tied up in strip clubs and amps not wanting to cross that line of actually seeing a hooker.  Ya I am a dumb ass.  I am also a person.  I have been ridiculed for spelling, grammer, my taste in women, my writing style,  my drunkeness(hell one night MP67 was on the boards and told me to call him so i did and laughed my ass off till I passed out drunk),  Had a talk with thewildthing one morning what a sport she is.  I have even had a moderator tell me I am a lying piece of shit that all my reviews are made up so I can get free Vip. Why am I here?  good question. I know I was fully involved in the train wreck yesterday but my point was simple, a good review with a lot of maya culpa?  from the op and a provider goes off.  You are right I do not know the whole story but from what I saw a blacklist was not needed.  I am here to watch and learn but not bow down.  I have not and will not use an alias.  I will jab every now and then in humor or to try to stop stupid, like a couple weeks ago when someone posted a rate of return type post of 300 or 1500 per hour what would you go with.  We could all use a dose of humility now and again.  Lp And GG have been helpful to me in the past and I have noyhing but respect for them.  People here are just like everywhere the will always be asses, bitches, dickheads, and them that think they are better than.  I see it from both the men and the women.  Ya sometimes it is not fun, others it is just down right fucked up but sometimes I still fall off the bar stool laughing about something.

Your implication is that this board is the way it is because it's been allowed to happen, which implies that it's my fault. Perhaps that's true, but how would you explain the PO board?  I don't moderate that.  In fact I can't even see what's posted there, but I've heard from several providers that they won't go there because of the vitriol.  Most of the nasty stuff here comes from guys, but it sounds like we don't have that market cornered.  I do believe in free speech, and hate censorship but I routinely deny posts and I know the secret PO mod does as well.  This board, or TER in general has never been about me. But it's my fault, I'll gladly turn over the controls to someone more qualified or do whatever is best for the group.

Thanks for your input.

Please release him and send him back safe and sound.  Why are you making him put up these transparently fake posts?  Please, just release him, no questions asked.
Oh, and on the off-chance I'm wrong, a note to LP: LOL, but I think you're suffering from burnout.  Not surprising, really.  I suggest we set up a collection to get you laid.  How does the Nogales Donkey Show sound?  The TER zeppelin is hovering for you as I write this.
Keep on truckin', dude.

Burnout ROFLMFAO? If he so fucking burned out then there aint nutthin stopping him from quitting. He aint got no excuses. Aint no one forcing him to do this and act partially and subjectively ya know??

And no, not sarcastic in the least.  We can discuss in more detail privately if you'd like.

Nawww. He aint worried about darkness on the board. He only needs to look to his partner mod on this board to find sum darkness ROFL. He aint that worried about darkness or his partner mod ya know??

Please don't make feeble or childish attempts to speak on my behalf.

I'm on the West coast. The reason I mention this is, in the ensuing time since this thread, there is just such a sad and hateful thread posted a few posts above now.

When I first started to seriously consider posting to this board, and began reading some of the stuff that guys post, I realized how easy it would be to get eaten alive. Now I see that if I am careful in how I communicate I can participate without too much drama sticking to my ass.

This board operates on so many different levels. It ebbs and flows from kind, supportive, informative, appreciative...to death by hyenas.

AS A NEWBIE poster, and this is important if you want to encourage new blood, this place can seem like a worthless waste of time, not to mention mean-spirited. So I applaud you opening up the floor for discussion on the topic, Phil. If it was me, I would consider banning all aliases, but I'm sure there are lots of reasons that won't work at this point.

Bottom line: Any forum on the internet has it's participants just waiting to prove that the world is a shitty place. I do not need to respond to them, that's the beauty of a forum.

The internet is a nice place to visit, but a weird place to live.

day out is beyond me! I would've thrown in the towel the second day!
Thank you very very much for providing some decorum to this hobby...without y'all can you imagine how off-the-chain this woul be...OMG!
Much gratitude for y'all.!

I agree...I mean about aliases. (I don't know you well enough to say about the other part, haha).
I think it encourages the dark side.

I took a couple of weeks off from making any comments because it really bothered me all the negativity that I saw from alot of the men. All the name calling that some of the men were doing really made me wonder why they paid for it in the first place?????

I don't hate any of the men I see. I am eager to meet someone new all the time. It is the human condition that is so exhilarating for me.

Respect seems to have been lost....it doesn't matter who you are in this world, or what you do as a living...we are all human beings...we all deserve respect...karma baby....

Let me start I think the us vs. them some hobbyists and providers have is just stupid. We are two sides of the same coin and often what is good for one is often good for the other long term. The thing is that attitude has of us vs them has been here to some degree since I started.

The attack post like many on the blacklist thread are bad but again they have been here as long as I have been. Same with the hate posts. I have often wondered how some here can even pay to get laid with their attitudes. None of this is new. I really don't think it is much worse then when I got here.

The attack, hate, elitist, and us vs them threads are not good for happiness of the board but the alternative is heavy censorship. That kind of censorship isn't good for the happiness of the board. Asking for people to grow up wont work as the guilty ether don't care or think you are talking to someone else. This board has always had it's not so nice posters and threads.I do agree with your post but nothing is new.

What is up to bring these tread to bare? Is there anything I can do to help? You are a good mod I would hate to lose you to burn out. After all you still owe me a get out of jail free card and breaking in a mod takes time. It took me a while to win over you and GaGambler. I would to have to start over. LOL.

How about a nice photo of a blond. Here is one of Barbara D. from Met-Art.com. Does that help? Remember, we all get burnout but the rest of us don't get the TER jet to fly to our dates. As an additional pick-me-up link is to a song from Lykke Li called "Get Some".

And that babe is one fine piece of pussy!

You first get them under control.  Just ask a parent or a teacher.  

This problem is solvable, but you don't like the solution.  There's no Constitutional right to post here.  TER has clearly stated rules that a small, but vocal, minority routinely ignore.  If you're not willing to take on that group, then yes, the tone of the board becomes your fault.  Right now, that group has set the standard for the board, not the moderators.  

Some of the people that routinely violate the rules of the site need to lose the right to post until they learn how to behave like adults.  Their absence would not be a loss because they post nothing of value.  If they want to continue to participate, they'll have to learn to play nicely with others, or eventually be banned from posting.

I post on 3 or 4 other enthusiast sites of different subjects and this is the only site where anything close to this situation exists.  The moderators of these other sites simply wouldn't tolerate what goes on here.

We always have choices and those choices have repercussions.  Sorry if this isn't the answer you wanted to hear.

the difficulty is that some take having fun too far.

i disagree with the idea of banning aliases entirely, sometimes they can be funny. sometimes it is amusing to vent a bit with some alias whether or not you have an idea who it is.

i do think that when the post is nothing but mean and an attack that _occasionally_ flipping one of those might be a good idea. let it be at the mods's discretion.

in the real world if you mess with someone there might be consequences. i think that folks feel freer to vent their ill feelings here because there aren't any consequences.

I sincerely wanted a fix.  I'm going to take your idea and run with it.  I'm pretty sure that you'll notice a change.  Thanks for keeping me honest...