The issue is not that, when leaned on, you assisted law enforcement in a drug bust.
Rather, there are three other problems; and the fact you do not see them tells me that you should not be imposing yourself on any woman at any price -- period. You are simply not morally fit, IMO, to be dealing with women.
The first is in choosing to have sex with a woman who was clearly under the influence of a mind-altering substance that would make it impossible for her to give informed consent. Maybe it's rape, and maybe its not -- in a strictly legal sense. But in a moral sense, it's close enough to the line you shouldn't have touched the girl. Just leave the money behind and walk. It's only money, you know.
The second is in "tearing it up in frustration for 45 minutes." No amount of money buys you the right to do that -- so-called "consent" or not. That is simply not how you touch a woman. Any woman, under any circumstances. Period. This just adds to the emotional content of a rape scenario.
The third is your lack of sense of justice and proportionality. You saw this woman being arrested -- and, let me tell you, arrests in and of themselves can be so traumatic they give people PTSD -- as proper "payback" for being an "upsell" and a "fake GFE."
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with what it feels like to have a handful of people with drawn weapons pointed at you. If you ever experience it, you'll never forget it. Just the arrest in and of itself -- even if they turned her loose later in the day -- was far more punishment than anyone deserves for essentially delivering poor service of which you should not have partaken in the first place.
Moral attitudes like yours -- that judge everything by your own sense of entitlement -- do not belong in an enterprise that requires a complex web of trust to function.
I'm not a Christian man, but you need to go back to Sunday school for a couple of decades and not touch any women ever in any context until you rid yourself of this moral sickness.
That's just my opinion. Be glad I'm not dictator.
First hobby experience was a lady on the Strip in Vegas. Then found TER and found the way.
I find this forum to be informative, as well as protective to all concerned.
What I mean is, ladies don't see anyone that doesn't have references, and gents don't see a lady that doesn't have reviews, in a nut shell.
So, my question is, even after all the checks and balances, has anyone been close to being popped by LE?
Would appreciate any input, so those that might not be in the know could save themselves from an unnecessary predicament.
Know what I'm sayin'?
Once I answered a CL ad a couple of years ago. The ad was targeted at people who wanted to photograph couples involved in sexual activity. I showed up and had a nice photo session.
The next week the ad ran again saying that there were more couples and better action. I showed up again. The show was going great when a bunch of plain clothed cops stood up out of the audience and demanded that the show come to a halt. At that point the police searched everyone and requested that everyone produce identification. The id's were checked and everyone who had an outstanding warrant was hauled off to jail.
Those not participating in the sexual activities were given tickets and asked to destroyed the images in their cameras. After that they were free to leave. I was unable to stick around to see what became of the couples.
The ticket was for being in a house of ill repute which is an unconstitutional charge. I went to court and the charge was dismissed since it was unconstitutional. Apparently the police can use any charge on the books to stop publicly advertised sexual activity even if it takes place in a privately owned building.
BTW I was able to recover the deleted images from my cf card and they were great.
Can you contest the charges by bringing witnesses that the house actually has a good reputation?
(still not a lawyer for obvious reasons.)
If you are ill can they repute it ?
Thank you
2009 = 27
According to my attorney , some court ruled that any house where sexual activity was taking place in would make it a house of ill repute if that statute was applied.
Three times, when heading home from NYC, I got snared at DUI check points. I was happy to to tell NYPD Blue each time that I was looking forward to having a few belts when I arrived home, after my ride was safely locked away in my garage. They couldn't have given a rats ass that I had been hobbying, the subject didn't come up, so no worries in that regard. This is why when I meet with ladies I usually will opt for water rather than beer or wine...the peripheral DUI risk is higher than getting caught in a sting, and a DUI bust for me would be far worse....
My job involves a lot of driving, so I can't afford another DUI.
I like to think that we as 'guys and gals' in this lifestyle are far more cautious in the way we conduct our everyday lives.
As far as being nondescript and UTR, so to speak.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not ashamed of what I do. This is fun, and if and when people close to me know what I do it wouldn't surprise them knowing me.
But yeah, myself, I have no fear of LE as far as this is concerned.
I once took a shot on a CL girl in an area not known for too many incalls.
2-call system as would be expected.
when I got there there was a dude outside using his finger to remove coke from a mirror and a girl in a wheelchair looking at me funny. Not kidding. In plain view.
so I get in, pay my cash to a totally naked, totally amazing looking 19 year old. she tried to upsell everything, prettymuch only CFS avail, not telling me until after I paid.
so I tore it up in frustration for 45 minutes, her saying how she loves sex on blow and how she wants me to pop. Once I finished, cleaned up and walked out
I get stopped by 4 state troopers at the elevator. They said I wasn't in trouble, they didn't care about me and they just wanted the girl (and her drug addict pimp who was apparently the guy outside, already in another squad car) out of the building since they were using someones apartment while the real lease holder was in the hospital.
I said I had come there to hook up, but she was way too high and I wasn't into it. I told them about the drugs I saw in plain sight.
They had me knock on the door saying I forgot my cell phone and then they busted in, and I was free to go.
so, close call for me, but she definitely got payback for the upsell and fake GFE.
Especially since I used to be a user. Myocardial infarction at 28 solved that problem!
But yeah, that's a little too close for comfort for me!
Thanx D!
you squeal like a amateur pig and then flip her over to the professional pigs.
just great.
why not STFU? if you are so pissed about her unwholesome practices post a review and warn others?
isn't that what this community is for?
perhaps you would care to explain the difference between your own sweet self and a species of annelid? i'd like to hear that one.
i think your predatory 45 minute gf and you were MADE for each other.
You got payback for the upsell and fake GFE?
Fuck you, dumb motherfucker.
You are mad because you went to see a girl, age 19 (not even legally able to buy a drink) who was being pimped by a drug addict and had her strung out?
You know, I realize that TER is a lala land where age doesn't matter so long as everyone is of legal age of consent - but this was a nasty scene with a real victim in a very unfortunate situation.
So you "take out your aggression" on a drug addled teen and then set her up with a lie so that you can walk.
Nice, real nice. Well at least you got your whole $150 worth asshole. Next time, don't patronize pimps and drug users. You'll feel better in the morning though from your account I doubt that you lost any sleep.
You know, the only good that came of this situation is that this girl was taken in, separated from the pimp and hopefully cleaned up.
Disgusting.
Yeah, what she said. I'm sure that 19 year old was in a position like that because things are going great in life.That's what happens when you schedule a cheap GFE....anything under 200-250-dont expect much. Way to "get her back"....that'll teach her to be a good whore. How dare she get high to deal with her situation in life......whod have to get high to deal with you? You're great! She should have paid you....
for saying that the girl and this guy deserved each other.
there is no reason to thing that the girl deserved low life scum like this creep at all.
i am in an unusually pissy mood today because of a recent bad experience. that is not to make my error someone else's fault. current circumstances are making me rather error prone. i take full responsibility for my error in this.
That's sweet.....yeah, that poor girl didn't deserve that.....I hope she's at least clean now. It's really sad how drugs keep people in this business.
but your point is well taken. i should have read that in the story from the beginning.
And that is on the relationship between price and performance.
Many very excellent women, including some who post prominently on this board, charge under $200 and I guarantee you they aren't drug addicts or anything of the sort and deliver a very nice experience.
Price point is set a lot by location. If you were outside of Charleston West Virginia, you'd have a hard time getting what you get now; whereas in NYC you might be able to double it with ease.
I've seen seven ladies, ranging in hourly price from $175 to $500. With one notable exception; differences in price were primarily reflective of aesthetics (i.e. environment and physical appearance) rather than performance. The one notable exception is a lady who charges $400 and her performance would be a 20 on the TER 10-point scale. LOL
So I wouldn't be elitist based on pricing. Some ladies charge more than they should, and some frankly charge less than they should. And some just have to deal with the economics of the area in which they work.
But I agree with you -- this guy is a real piece of shit. He shouldn't be touching women, period. He's sick inside. Really sick.
I'd help you get that running start (hypothetically) to shove him off the balcony.
It's geographical......the area I'm in, 250-what I charge-is high. But people pay it. We get a lot of reviews of girls who charge 150 for the hour and are rip offs and the guys sound so surprised. And don't get me started on the hundred dollar specials.Who'd ever think its a bait and switch.......
... until I've had a turn!
Lol just make sure you get me after a few appointments while the rage is still fresh.
... to have a full TER pay-per-view special...!! 
Trying to make money off her toiling.
It would be a good show, but I think that the under card steals the event.
Gimme my cut and I'm totally straight.
I'll leave the cage fighting to her- I just want to make love and be happy and I happen to actually like the majority of my clients. The fact that she doesn't would make the anger a little bit more authentic.
Anyway, don't talk about me like you know me WET - one exchange does not familiarity make and if you don't like my profile you can't talk to me in public either.
: )
Fuck you very much for what you did. I'd point out why you deserve this, but it would be wasted on your pea sized rock for a brain, and the others have already covered it.
I'm sorry if I haven't offended you enough, you Rat Fink Piece of Fucking Shit.
DC.
The issue is not that, when leaned on, you assisted law enforcement in a drug bust.
Rather, there are three other problems; and the fact you do not see them tells me that you should not be imposing yourself on any woman at any price -- period. You are simply not morally fit, IMO, to be dealing with women.
The first is in choosing to have sex with a woman who was clearly under the influence of a mind-altering substance that would make it impossible for her to give informed consent. Maybe it's rape, and maybe its not -- in a strictly legal sense. But in a moral sense, it's close enough to the line you shouldn't have touched the girl. Just leave the money behind and walk. It's only money, you know.
The second is in "tearing it up in frustration for 45 minutes." No amount of money buys you the right to do that -- so-called "consent" or not. That is simply not how you touch a woman. Any woman, under any circumstances. Period. This just adds to the emotional content of a rape scenario.
The third is your lack of sense of justice and proportionality. You saw this woman being arrested -- and, let me tell you, arrests in and of themselves can be so traumatic they give people PTSD -- as proper "payback" for being an "upsell" and a "fake GFE."
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with what it feels like to have a handful of people with drawn weapons pointed at you. If you ever experience it, you'll never forget it. Just the arrest in and of itself -- even if they turned her loose later in the day -- was far more punishment than anyone deserves for essentially delivering poor service of which you should not have partaken in the first place.
Moral attitudes like yours -- that judge everything by your own sense of entitlement -- do not belong in an enterprise that requires a complex web of trust to function.
I'm not a Christian man, but you need to go back to Sunday school for a couple of decades and not touch any women ever in any context until you rid yourself of this moral sickness.
That's just my opinion. Be glad I'm not dictator.
People like that guy are the reason I loathe this occupation as much as I do. Physical disgust can be worked through, the mindset of people who feel entitled to a GFE come hell or high water make this a horrible business to be in.
Just remember its only money and he's only paying for time. You can always kick an asshole's ass to the curb.
Somehow, I get the feeling that far too few women do that, though.
I really DO think, though, with the right client-base, it CAN be a good business. But don't ask me where to find them. I know they exist, but they seem too spread out to really form any woman's entire base of clients.
uses humans as its instrument of action. Or, so I have been told.
I think Doomhed confused this forum with the back room of a dive bar or a locker room. We, the members of TER, are a cross section of the greater population with many views. But the collective shares an empathy for BOTH sides of the hobby.
Also, this forum is not the place to discuss the seedier examples of transactional relationships. You will not find a receptive audience for such talk.
I will be generous to Doomhed and say that we have all done things of which we are not proud. However, it is a sign of maturity when you refrain from gloating about them.
I'm not going to cuss you out as others have, but I would like to ask you to think about a few details and take them to heart.
She was 19, or young enough to appear to be about that age.
She was strung out on dope.
You walked right past her pimp, and you damned well know it. So who were you lying to, us or yourself, when you wrote "who was apparently her pimp"?
She was once a cute dimply faced little girl with her hair in pigtails. She is someone's daughter. When asked as a little girl what she wanted to be when she grew up, I think we can all agree that her answer probably wasn't "A strung out crack whore".
Frankly, the fact that you so quickly rolled on her isn't what disturbs me here. I'm realistic enough to know the EVERY man who walks out of my door will roll on me in a nanosecond if he thinks it will save his own ass. Its the nature of the jungle.
What bothers me is that you "tore it up" out of frustration on a girl who is CLEARLY incapable of consenting to be a prostitute of her own free will. There are plenty of women, myself included, who have freely chosen this occupation for a wide variety of reasons. WE are consenting adults. SHE WAS NOT. You know how you can tell the difference? You don't walk past a PIMP to enter the incall of a lady who is doing this of her own volition, and when she greets you, she isn't strung out on God only knows what.
YOU took advantage of her just as surely as the SHPOS who was pimping her out. What is worse is, you damned well knew it, but all you gave a fuck about was getting a nut, and since you didn't get your nut the way you wanted it, that justifed "tearing it up" for as long as you could.
Think about THAT the next time you go slumming on someplace like CL.
to pinch someone who has incriminated themselves. And you gave them all they needed, once the girl was charged with the help of your statement and actions, to charge you as well.
Johns who think they are going to walk if they turn the girl in are going to be disappointed....
If the client makes a statement upon exiting or helps set a girl up?
They will most certainly let him walk right out of the door or parking lot.
I've had two girlfriends ejected from properties by police whose clients rolled on them and walked AND there are two infamous articles (one from January 2008 and one from just last month) circulating in MA / NH in which detectives detail having used johns to capture "suspected prostitutes" and let them walk. If anyone wants them I will forward - its good reading.
An article detailing how police approach suspected clients outside of hotels and then let them go when they give up the goods-
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/01/13/arresting_activity/
A police report from this year in New England detailing how the police interrogated clients and let them walk-
http://plus.eagletribune.com/content/news/et/provencher.pdf
They would of taken her out any way. But maybe with a bullet in some buddys brain.
Cops are not allies nice or stay Cool long.
You by now you figured out you are a useless piece of shit.
I nor anyone would defend a scumbag like you.
You are the kind that would frame your grandmother for your fuck-ups if you could, and who knows maybe you already did at one time.
FUCK YOU
2009 = 27
Now I realize you're more than that. You have a serious problem socializing and connecting. Either that, or you're schizophrenic.
Either way, I'd appreciate it if you didn't try and contact me anymore. Whether through the GD board or PM.
You're scary, and I can do without.
You are also foolish, indiscrete, and an apparent bottom feeder. Before you make such an admission here, did it ever occur to you to USE AN ALIAS?? I bet you received a bunch of nasty PM's today! Not only that, you gave the ladies good reason to blacklist your sorry ass. I wouldn't want to be you right now...
Just mentioning that there are peripheral risks that also have to be taken into account. Always guard your flanks!
I never jump so quick that I don't listen to the little inner voice in me that protects me from outside influences.
For ladies this is very important. We walk into more stings than the gentlemen and often times our safety as well.
Kisses Haley
You ladies have a hell of alot more to risk than us 'gents'. Not only vice, but the occasional creap, stalker, psycho, jealous wives, etc.....
I know. Nice visual so early in the morning.
I apologize.....
ie a glorfied motel, where the door to her room opens on the outside. Several providers with excellent TER reviews use these places.
On two occasions, I've shown up early and reconnoitered, as is my habit, only to find a heavy LE presence *possibly* monitoring the comings and goings from her room.
Usually parked in a lot adjacent to but not in the property. Typically two squads and one or two unmarked units. The suit(s) apparently viewing the hotel through spotting scopes or binos off the roof of their cars.
Needless to say I went on about my business.
In one instance I knew the lady, so I called her and let her know about the possible surveillance.
In another instance I did not know if it was a setup so I emailed from my anonymous account to let her know what I saw, and why I did not keep the date.
You do have to keep your eyes open.....
Another more insideous hazzard is the beginning of an attempt by LE to get gals (and maybe clients) to "flip", that is, set up a sting for them in order to avoid charges against them.
This has happened a few times in the mid-west lately.
Keep an ear to the ground (and an eye on your local boards) and be aware of what is going on.
no matter how well you think you know the lady, drop the envelope discreetly and do not discuss money or the donation, or any sexual expectations.
There's a local agency whose girls are in the habit of asking what a client "likes". This always makes me nervous....
And of course, if one has an encounter with LE about *anything*, one should say nothing more than required - ie provide identification. Anything else that comes out of your mouth can be used against you, and twisted to make you look like a nefaroius crature lol.....
I've kept my mouth shut on far worse happenings than getting popped for this.
I find his actions appalling and don't advise him to ever admit to them in my presence. His actions are those of a selfish, cowardly little punk.
GTM stated it correctly, you have the constitutional right to STFU, use it. Any hobbyist that gives probable cause to LE simply out of fear for his own sorry ass, is a sorry piece of shit IMO.
On that happy note, I am off to Pereira.
I've never had close encounters of the LE kind... but I've occasionally had dates that just were not discrete. On occasion, I have walked away & discretely messaged them a warning. I have been inside, decided that would be my last visit.
Agreed. Trust your gut. If things don't seem right... and discrete... move on. Sloppy gets folks busted.
skb
Suspicion has kept my ass out of some jams I found out later went to shit.
Good point SKB! Thanx!
Sorry guys, but I am spending the holiday in Colombia where the hobby is completely legal. Not to mention the fact that the women are beautiful and the dollar still goes a long way.
Those that claim that legalization of the hobby is a bad thing need to go to a country where it is legal. Legalization works in every one of a least a couple of dozen countries that I have hobbied in, including many that are dominated by the Church.
that's why I favor decriminalization instead of legalization
in the US, legalization means intrusion and control, regulation and taxes. Which would mean higher costs and restricted menus. Which would mean that there would still be "illegal" girls who could not afford to jump through the hoops or wanted to offer a more competitive menu.
In Germany it works well (love those FKK clubs) but as much as Americans like to think that *Europeans* are socialists obsessed with controlling everything *lol* NOBODY can hold a candle to the US government when it comes to obsession about regulation and control, where the private lives of its citizens are concerned.
In most countries around the world prostitution is legal without any type of draconian regulation ala the legal Nevada brothels.
It's hard to believe that the US Government can be worse than the Catholic church. The Catholic church controls most countries in South America and many in Europe, but seems to coexist with a legal hobby with no apparent problems that I can see and I travel on a monthly basis at minimum. I always thought the Catholic Church was the most controlling, rigid and anit individual rights organization in the world, but where it comes to the hobby they don't hold a candle to the US Government.
Oh well the US Government is out of my life, for the weekend at least. Have a great holiday. I know I will. I am in Bogota as we speak, but I am headed to Pereira in a couple of hours.
Maybe you're right on the decriminalization thing instead of the legalization thing.
Have to think on that one.....
If they legalized hobbying and say, pot, taxed and regulated it, maybe they can get us out of the hole we're in.
Did I say that here? Should've been on LC I guess!
but it would be a great start my friend. NOW I am off to Pereira. lol
See ya'll next time I am near a computer, but for now I have cerveza to drink, an airplane to catch and chicas to fuck. lol
Avoid hotels and go with your gut.
Even my first time ened I ened up in getting but in back of a carI was not charge since I was so bloody they beleave I did not have sex with her.
things don't look right (unmarked Ford's with spotlights by the driverside mirror, secret service type guys in suits just hanging around the lobby, etc.--keep the envelope in your pocket and move on.
Dude proudly says that he narked? So you do not get what you want so you open your mouth? What you did was rape dumbfuck and on so many levels. I do truly hope she gets back at your a$$ one way or another. I think everyone here covered my reaction as well... I'd like to add that you should be banned for admitting you worked with LE.
so many people want to start out and think they are special and should be trusted...
oh yeah and the talking on the phone or email asking for prices or acronyms for sex which can be used against you--- just like drug lingo...DON'T EVER TRUST ANYONE WHO IS DISRESPECTING YOUR FREEDOM AND YOUR LIVELIHOOD