I had a date scheduled with a provider I have seen several times. It was a three hour date. One day before the appointment ( over 24 hrs) I woke up with a cold, trying to be respect full, I left it up to her rather than can cell or just show up anyway ( she wouldn't have known I was sick as it was just a fever and headache). She decided to cancel. After she said it really hurt her financially. I offered her slightly over half the amount if she would come and get it. She does. After I get better we begin planning another date. She then tells me that the "cancellation" fee, which she never asked for, I offered, cannot be used for any future dates. This was no $125. It was 6 hundred. Am I right in being pissed enough to cancel the next date? If this is how she does things I'm not sure I want to give her my busssiness any more. For the record I only asked that SOME of the money be used for the next date, not all.
And ask your fellow mongers to PM you for the specifics.
I guess she doesn't consider you her ATF...but certainly her ATM.
Hopefully you've learned now...cancellation fees are asinine. You gave her sufficient notice to replace those dollars.
Did she at least give you the sign to put on your back? You know, the one that says "Kick me I'm stupid".
As a lady in the biz, a one hour cancellation fee on a 3 hr date, to be used in part towards a future date would be fair and generous if she local, IMO. He overpaid and it seems he got ripped.
I'm wondering if this meets the criteria for a rip off report.
Anytime you leave a client feeling like he was treated unfairly and taken advantage of, you are practicing very BAD biz. That goes for any line of work. Apparently she didn't get the memo.
Steph
to the next date?
If so, then she has changed the rules, and I would advise not going back to see her if she reneges like that.
On the other hand, if nothing was said, then you are at fault if you just assumed the money was transferable to the next date.
A cancellation fee is not unreasonable, but I agree that $600 is pretty steep.
In any case, you seem to be a bit soured on this gal anyways, so if I was you, I'd probably be looking to take my business elsewhere.
You should be pissed at yourself for giving her 600 bucks without a clear understanding as to how the money was to be applied.
See her again? not see her again? Only you can decide that for yourself. Personally, I would not book with her again under any circumstances after this, but then again I never would have shelled out 600 clams for a date that never happened in the first place.
It's not like you to be missing these details.
Should I be reassigning my bets for this year? Lol
I didn't miss anything, I think you have been hanging around with Pimples a bit too much as of late. Just what do you think I missed?
I cant believe he gave her 6 when it wasnt really his fault. Wow.
Is she the one who's avusive and demanding or is he just too nice to the point of being naive and stupid.
Maybe I'll try some of that and demand the next provider who cancels on me to pay me 6 lol
If you gave her that much notice and in reality if she was the one who decided to not see you because you told her you were not feeling well means in my mind you did not have to give her anything unless she spent money to come to your area. If she is at least not willing to apply the donation you nicely gave her I would say she is not a reputable nor fair provider in her practices and you should let others know this in one form or another.
Maybe OP should have just gone through with the session the first time, cuz she obviously shows no appreciation for his concern for her health.
I'd find another girl. Plenty out there.
That's bullshit..
I mean you could have been a douche. Saw her anyway, and made her sick.
Possibly causing her to loose more than one date.
I don't see the logic in being peanilized for doing the right thing.
I guess if people pay, then why not charge?
I wouldn't have paid it dude..
I honestly thought that was just something some girls put on their site to discourage time wasters.
Never thought they actually charge a cancelation fee.
I have cancelled for being sick before..
It never even crossed my mind to pay a fee.
If she implied it.. Sorry. Over my head...
There are times I feel it is appropriate. Guy calls, asks me to book a hotel same day specially for him. He cancels last minute for a stupid reason, or no reason at all. I'm so pissed off there is no way I'd ever see him again. (I'm talking about new clients whom I've never seen - and it happens.)
But a regular. Sigh. Probably not.
Idea: schedule a $500 appointment next time?
No one is going to say no to money, obviously. Some actually state on their websites that deposits for cancelled appointments, if a longer appointment, can be used toward a future date of the same kind or longer.
If she got a hotel room and denied other clients, (let's say two one hours who requested times that were impossible due to the preparation for a longer date, and the clean up, which can amount to a total of six hours of time,) she lost some good money. Guys usually move on to the next when we're not available, so regaining those appointments is next to impossible.
We don't know the specifics, however. If you're a regular and are investing a lot of money in her by using her services, I don't see why something can't be worked out... but then again, I don't know the entire story.
It's difficult to discern how to deal with these situations sometimes. There are times we just need to take the loss, whereas there are other times we have to look at the future. Customer retention vs. perfect justice. Grace goes a long way on both ends, because there's no perfect science.
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If none of the $600 is to be used toward a future date, she ripped him off IMO.
Since him stated that she came over to get the money, I'm betting she didn't incur the expense of a hotel room.
I think she knew by saying none of the $600 was going toward a future date, he wouldn't want to see her again, so she got $600 free and clear.
Steph
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Since he's seen her many times, I'm thinking she's figuring he'll pony up for another date and accept the $600 loss as well.
So to clear some things up here. She has no cancellation policy on her website. I have seen her many times, once for a overnight, which is what I WAS going to schedule with her this time, but not now. No hotel was involved, she has a private in call. Can't imagine why she wouldn't want me as a client as I don't push boundaries, ask for extras or OTC time, always on time and clean. She still wants to go through with the date we have planned. $600 bucks won't put me in the poor house, but its also nearly a weeks pay, I have never experienced any thing like this, at least not from someone ranked #2 in the state.
She is conducting her business in an unreasonable manner and, just like any service provider who does so, you cease doing business with them and hire another professional.
If she wants to keep you as a client there should be some kind of compromise-PERIOD.
I know there are always 3 sides to every situation, but please keep in mind what I've said.
xoxo,
Steph
Not that she ever was on my list to begin with, just saying...
You stated in your OP that the "loss of revenue" would hurt her financially, or at least that's what she claimed. In my experience, a woman who charges $400 hr, is highly reviewed AND is always broke, is always going to pull this kind of crap. More than likely she once again is having money problems and even though she KNOWS her treatment of you is wrong, she needs the money, and money comes first.
You do what you like, but I avoid HDH's that constantly have money problems like the plague, their problems always end up becoming your problem, and isn't avoiding that kind of crap the reason we see hookers in the first place? Cut the bitch loose. Try numbers one or three on the list, or even number 234, number 234 on the list is less likely to take you for granted, just another reason the "top" lists on TER are counterproductive IMO
Not that I bothered searching... lol
Don't want her to think you're not willing to take it up the ass...and for good measure let her kick you in the balls followed by your teeth.
If I were spending a week's pay on a hooker - I would want to have a LOT of fun.
No point in P4P if you aren't having fun. Time to move on....
I'm not judging you, but if the deposit was almost a week's pay then the session was over a weeks pay...for what? One or two nuts? Damn! I'm just saying, there are a lot of hobbies that might be just as fulfilling for a lot less.
What ya shoulda done, was ask for the regular math.
Dear Provider,
What is your usual cancellation policy?
What percentage of the total fee do you charge?
What is the time frame for a cancellation fee to be incurred?
These are not clearly posted on your website, so I thought I would ask for future reference.
Love Always,
daninja
Dear Dummy,
I don't have it posted so that I can change it to whatever I want it to be, whenever I want it to be. Are we clear?
I need my money soon,
Your ATF
No, no, in all seriousness, thankyou for posting glimpse of a train-wreck.
You just taught some men.
You just taught me as a provider.
To be a clear and an astute business woman, who is above board (well, as above board as an escort can be!) these things should be posted & set as an expectation.
She set no expectation.
You failed to ask.
She got you.
Thanks for the lesson.
Trolls & flamers, yes, I know. You are so proud.
P.S. By the way, most cancellation fees I have ever seen, in my hooker research vary from 10-25-50%. Never higher. Just FYI
Thanks for that laugh....it was a good one.
Perhaps you could have taken the time to link up a shitload of these sites so that no more dummies get fooled with that crap.
Any fool that even considers paying a cancellation fee get's exactly what was coming to him.
But I do think this should work well in reverse as well. Here on in I'm going to put in all my correspondence with a prospective gal that should SHE cancel I expect somewhere between 10-50% of the otherwise session fees I was prepared to pay.
Maybe I should take a hold on her credit card to assure it gets paid? Does she have enough credit to cover this? Maybe she should just send me a payment via PayPal anyhow. Yeah....I like that idea.
Dear Provider,
What is your usual cancellation policy?
What percentage of the total fee do you charge?
What is the time frame for a cancellation fee to be incurred?
These are not clearly posted on your website, so I thought I would ask for future reference.
Love Always,
daninja
Dear Dummy,
I don't have it posted so that I can change it to whatever I want it to be, whenever I want it to be. Are we clear?
I need my money soon,
Your ATF
No, no, in all seriousness, thankyou for posting glimpse of a train-wreck.
You just taught some men.
You just taught me as a provider.
To be a clear and an astute business woman, who is above board (well, as above board as an escort can be!) these things should be posted & set as an expectation.
She set no expectation.
You failed to ask.
She got you.
Thanks for the lesson.
Trolls & flamers, yes, I know. You are so proud.
P.S. By the way, most cancellation fees I have ever seen, in my hooker research vary from 10-25-50%. Never higher. Just FYI.
If a provider goes & acquires a room at a customers request, she incurred that fee from him.
If he cancels, it would be a legitimate reason to ask for a cancellation fee.
If she drove to another location (out of town) that would also be a legitimate reason.
The provider mentioned by the OP maintains her own incall.
She may have turned down other appointments to book his call.
I myself have men who book well in advance, a week or two, or more.
This is a legitimate loss of income due to her booking him versus other appointments.
So you would call these reasons b.s.?
I am not arguing her reasoning or the time frame mentioned by the OP is "reasonable or legitimate" but for the sake of clarification- and for other less informed clients & legit providers-there is such a thing as a legitimate cancellation fee. Just saying, there is a logical reason for them, however 50% should never be the case, unless she paid for a plane ticket or booked an ubber-posh room, which in my mind would be sheer stupidity.
I thought hooker 101 was Rule #1: Get your money up front.
And glad you thought it was funny, I know how fickle you can be, especially towards those with double digit IQ's.... LOL Gladly, I don't fall into that category.
If I canceled on someone, I would gladly offer a percentage off. However, I sends NO paypals- unless he drove from out of town, then I would gladly reimburse his gas. I do not however see him losing any income from me.... But that is a horse of another color, if you want to get all technical....
Perhaps you could have taken the time to link up a shitload of these sites so that no more dummies get fooled with that crap.
Any fool that even considers paying a cancellation fee get's exactly what was coming to him.
But I do think this should work well in reverse as well. Here on in I'm going to put in all my correspondence with a prospective gal that should SHE cancel I expect somewhere between 10-50% of the otherwise session fees I was prepared to pay.
Maybe I should take a hold on her credit card to assure it gets paid? Does she have enough credit to cover this? Maybe she should just send me a payment via PayPal anyhow. Yeah....I like that idea.
Dear Provider,
What is your usual cancellation policy?
What percentage of the total fee do you charge?
What is the time frame for a cancellation fee to be incurred?
These are not clearly posted on your website, so I thought I would ask for future reference.
Love Always,
daninja
Dear Dummy,
I don't have it posted so that I can change it to whatever I want it to be, whenever I want it to be. Are we clear?
I need my money soon,
Your ATF
No, no, in all seriousness, thankyou for posting glimpse of a train-wreck.
You just taught some men.
You just taught me as a provider.
To be a clear and an astute business woman, who is above board (well, as above board as an escort can be!) these things should be posted & set as an expectation.
She set no expectation.
You failed to ask.
She got you.
Thanks for the lesson.
Trolls & flamers, yes, I know. You are so proud.
P.S. By the way, most cancellation fees I have ever seen, in my hooker research vary from 10-25-50%. Never higher. Just FYI.
$600 is a hell of a lot of money for this action and the response. Morally wrong, professionally reprehensible, especially if she says it won't count towards future business. Kick her cheap hooker ass to the curb. She has zero respect for you and she deserves none in return.
The only thing that could be worse would be for her to cancel on you, and then expect you to pay her some kind of cancellation fee.
reread it, SHE CANCELED. he misspelled it
Didn't mean to yell. Just not good at adding emphasis. I should probably just stay quite but it pushed a button. I cannot know the whole story so just my two cents
And PRO-deposit... maybe I've missed you're point, but that's the impression I got.
600 for a cancellation fee that cannot be applied to a future date?
I would be pissed too!
But unfortunately just because you have seen this provider many times does not mean you should not have gotten an understanding.For that kind of money YOU need to get an understanding you are thinking one thing and she is thinking another evidently.
I would move on you tried to do right by cancelling or giving her the choice since you did not feel good.
There are many guys who would have cancelled and that would have been the end of that no cancellation fee nothing.So you gave her the money and now she does not want to work things out with you.
That is her right just as it is your right to move on to someone else.
I would think trying to make things work with someone who you have seen many times and books multi-hr or over night dates would be the right business decision.Versus just brushing that person off.
Perhaps there is more to this story.
But every lady runs her business different even if some don't always agree.
she want to get the cold or strep throat or whatever?
IMHO, she was wrong to ask for the $600 and he should not have paid it.
under the circumstances you describe) does not speak well of her. She clearly took advantage of your generosity.
But, pointless to get pissed at a mugger when you voluntarily walk up and hand over your wallet.
Here is another story of a provider getting bitchy about being "hurt financially" because she banked on money not yet received. I'm sure a lot of providers doing. Maybe they need to spend some time with Chi Town CPA to teach them a thing or two about managing money to avoid this clusterfuck
in financial knowledge? His reviews indicate he is top level.
I'm going to be a dick and say "You should write a 10/10 review of him. Maybe providers will book a "session" with him or he could be smart and trade services. Now that's an idea!
"because it hurt her financially". I think this was excessive... then for her to come back with NO consideration on a future date was totally screwing the pooch. This little game we play works... as long as both respect each other. She just dissed you... there is NO WAY, I would book with her under these circumstances.
Not too long ago, a Fav lady crossed the line... really went off on me when I'd done nothing wrong. We had a session but it really was 'off'. We are done. I'm going to miss the good times but not the drama.
That's one thing I don't get ... (A "friend" provider) going off on me when I've done nothing wrong. Thankfully it's only happened once, but once was enough for her to lose me as a client. This is a competitive industry ... I just don't get it.
I'd get married again if I wanted to be treated like shit. No thanks.
I was let know thru p411 the day that we were supposed to get together.
I thought it was allergies and I told him to go take some allergy medicine (allergy season is in full swing here) until later he told me that he had a fever. That's when I said we probably shouldn't do this. I never told him to pay a cancellation fee.
Here are the texts, you be the judge:
him~ Hey did you get my texts? We can get together still, but I am sick. Got a fever and a nasty cough.
me~ Ya- if you have a fever then its probably more than allergies
and I don't want to get sick.
me~ And I didn't work yesterday, I blew everyone else off bcuz I'd rather spend time with you, so financially this hurts
me~ I know its not your fault, and I'm not mad at all, but ouch....
him~ Wanna meet halfway? I'll give you 600 today and we will figure out the rest next time?
Another thing~ today when he texted me asking if that money could be applied to a future date, he never specified how much, so I'm left to assume he meant all of it, otherwise he would have been specific right? He and I have always done extended dates. The first time I met him I invited him somewhere and that was off the clock time, and then proceeded with private time, and have been extended dates since then. Even on our overnight dates we start and finish before and after "what I have written on my website" for what kind of time frame is for an overnighter. With that being said, most great (I say this word loosely) relationships have a little give and take. We've now done that on your side and my side. It seems like if its on my side your fine to take, and if its your side you get bent out of shape.
And I'm curious why you used an alias instead of the name you reviewed me with?
Take good care,
xoxo Shelly Reed
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I don't think he meant to give away $600.
She should consider he's a good client she wants to keep.
Steph
Like my teenage daughter says "GET OVER IT! ITS ONLY MONEY!" Spoken like a spoiled but lovable young lady who has never worked a day in her life.
I hate to see people's dirty laundry aired out on a public board. If you can reach an agreement and regain the trust carry on! If not, than move on!
Shelly, you do look and sound like a sweet, delectable treat. Can't imagine that I would allow a headache and sore throat from doing you. Maybe the answer was an outcall meeting. You did go to his place.
Poor guy does sound like a wimp though.
This text from him suggests there was a little more working out to do with that 600 + time, no?
him~ Wanna meet halfway? I'll give you 600 today and we will figure out the rest next time?
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SORRY but you remind me of the stripper who told me she had 10 k expensise a month. Of which none was rent, car payment or child care, IT was Shopping. You blew a good thing and he would have paid you again and again, Of course he still might, Does he worship your feet and just hand over a amex card
I would call the location first... And if there's a charge or a cancelation fee (many places is the full nite).... I would kindly ask the gentlemen to pay the location..... Since I would not be using it..
It is on you
nd what she did was bullshit.
For example a man I was emailing for 3 weeks back and forth had a date set up with me. He is a trucker. Unfortunately his plans changed and he was not able to keep his date with me. He had put down a $100 deposit. He had to change to the date to next month. His $100 deposit is now being applied to the future date and towards the party.
THAT is the right way to do business. NEVER EVER screw over the client!
You might want to change providers. She doesn't deserve your business.
Madiso
EOM
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I kind of agree. If she accepts a cancellation fee, it shouldn't be that high for one. And 2nd the client shouldn't expect that
cancellation fee be used for a future appointment.
It can get kind of hairy for client-provider relationships that go multi-hours, granted.
First, IMO - 24 hours notice does not deserve a cancellation fee. If you were a familiar friend and we had a good history together, I wouldn't accept a cancellation fee. Again, JMHO.