It always find it haliroius when I hear escorts talk about, " don't text about sex acts" as if that is the only way that law enforcement will getcha!

What about your website, that's tied to your ip, your credit card on file for web upkeep, your p411 account, your email and old text messages with all of your naughty details. Reviews of your dirty deeds. Phone records, Hotel stays, Phone GPS tracking.

All of these things shows your intent to break the law.
You're already busted no matter how tame your initial text messages are. 🤦🏾‍♂️

What's your take?

Grand rising Kings & Queens!

Everyday is a new opportunity to be a better version of yourself. 😍

* I can understand your feelings about this subject & many ads I see posted online these days are a major red flag 🚩 for me personally because it clearly is soliciting prostitution in most cases is a misdemeanor.

For those who are seasoned vets who are aware of the ramifications it’s not going to happen. Do you.

You seem hostile and judgmental. Everyone has the right to operate their business independently.

Live & learn.

the fact remains that LE is extremely unlikely to bust an indie gal (and her client) because there's no bang for the buck. If they're going to bust anyone it's going to be an agency, an AMP or a "fast house." Lots of good publicity there for saving "trafficked women." No publicity at all for a single indie bust.

but it is one way they could.

 
In any case, it should not be necessary to discuss such acts in texts, or other ways, so why piss off the gal over it?

 
Do like most of us do and follow her rules, and life will be much simpler for both of you.

You don't understand the difference between intention and action or between a general statement and an agreement to do something illegal.  

It is *not* illegal to pay someone for their time. It is also *not* illegal to be a (non-sexual!!) dominatrix.  P411 also has scrubbed anything sexual from their website. So no, you are not "already busted". What is illegal is paying someone for actual sexual acts. If you contact me and say I want to do XYZ sex act for $$ and I agree to it that is illegal. This is how cops catch you in a sting. And no, you cannot arrest someone and charge them with intent. If I am driving from my home in Wausau, WI to Ironwood, MI to buy weed a cop cannot pull me over and arrest me because they know that I post all the time about buying weed and using weed so they know that is my intent for driving to Ironwood, MI. What I am explaining is also for my home state of WI where prostitution (and buying weed!!) is a misdemeanor, so just a ticket. There are a few states where solicitation is now a felony, so an actual lawyer would need to chime in on how it would work there.   Honestly most guys (and gals) caught in a prostitution sting could fight it but no one usually does because they don't want to deal with the cost and embarrassment. I know some of you guys *really* want to make sure you are getting a BBBJ but you are playing Russian roulette when you text or email asking  and then setting a price for the sex act. I am not going to risk it. The chances of you getting caught in a sting are probably low, but depending on what market you play in your chances may be higher. So yes, in closing, texting or emailing, or in person if you are chatting with a street walker, specific sex acts for a specific dollar amount is indeed the only way law enforcement will "getcha".  

Most on here dont really know whst they are talking about when it comes to legalities. Its mostly hypothetical and i wouldnt doubt if much of this "advice" came from tik tok videos and heresay from others.  

In other words, its mostly bs.

A lady who has ads and/or a website where she sells her time, and makes that clear, needs to be worried because we all know what she’s really selling?

 
And meanwhile, kgirl orgs that list 50+ ladies, exactly what they will do and at what cost, and go years without getting busted are by no means an example why a website alone is not attracting po po.

 
Let me break it down for you. They want the easiest bust. Not one that requires extensive work. They’re more likely to find a street walker location and send an undercover to bust guys. Or set up a fake ad, and again bust guys. If there is an agency/org big enough, maybe to set up a longer operation. Indy ladies, especially the clever ones, are much safer than clients, especially those of us who hobby around seeing new ladies all of the time.

 
A hosting website, especially if it gains national attention, can also be worth their time. They love a bust that puts them all over the news. But this targets the site owners. The average Joe/Jane will likely avoid any impact.  

 
Maybe, just maybe, a list with their info gets leaked. That might be the biggest concerns with hackers and personal information on said sites.

You arent thinking about the trafficking part. Its a big deal.  

You dont have this as well thought out as you think you do.

If you think every provider at a K org is being trafficked you are wildly mistaken.  

If you think arresting consensual sex workers OR those being sex trafficked (which LE does, they do not make a distinction if you are here illegally or on a work visa) is a good idea that makes you a shitty person.  

I don't think you have this as well thought out as you think you do.

Well, I have clients that are police officers, politicians, and lawyers that I have discussed the laws in Wisconsin with in regards to sex work so I feel I have a pretty good leg to stand on. How about you?

Since you think "most" here don't know what they are talking about, why don't you educate all of us to your vast expertise on this topic?

Exactly this! 🌸
Also that’s why the reviews are here on this site. So they can read the providers services and what the providers offers not tie up her line and waste her time with a bunch of questions and usually without even providing their Screening information first. So the provider ends up exchanging 10 messages with the possible client just to find out he is unscreenable/does not meet her screening requirements. Imagine getting 50 + of these per day ((((

I thought you publicly announced/promised you were leaving us. It seems you just can’t stay away. Too much fun being a useless troll?

 
Just because I didn’t say anything about trafficking doesn’t mean I am not aware of it. I know there is attention on it. These are ladies tied to an agency or organization. It only furthers my point that they give little fucks about indy ladies. A bust that involves freeing trafficked ladies is obviously a huge deal.  

 
But thanks for using this information to put me down instead of trying to use it to add to the conversation. Typical move by you and why no one likes you.

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in most jurisdictions, prostitution is a misdemeanor so LE has no reason to go after an independent gal just to give her an appearance ticket.

sure, circumstantial case can be made - website advertises rates and her credit card is tied to her real name, and the website is referenced here with reviews that mentions specific sex acts…it can be bolstered even more if the client testifies to the facts in the review being accurate.

but why bother going through the effort?  

massage parlors and motel stings with fake ads yield TONS of arrests for minimal effort and drive up arrests stats that make politicians and police brass look good

simplest method is post ad, get someone to respond IN TEXT, ask them what they want, he says it, they tell him location, he walks in and four meathead cops tackle him, take his phone with the texts soliciting a sex act for money. fast and easy conviction.

massage parlors are even easier. send undercovers to get firsthand experience and then raid the place. ask robert kraft about this. lol

with that being said, why make their job even a tiny bit easier?  

ps - not legal advice

i would love to see an article of an actual trafficking bust, like teenage girls from some third world country bound for brothels were saved…

it has become a buzzword in media and politicians LOVE it around election time because they can look like heroes for rescuing “trafficked” girls or busting up an”trafficking ring”

This is a pretty big stretch from me just stating the obvious regarding trafficking. This is totally your MO though so you do you.

Wow! I had absolutely no idea that as a companion, I can possibly be detained or arrested by cops for having a website, Tryst / P411 profile, reviews, etc. Thank you so much for saving all of us silly escorts who were completely unaware that we're involved in one of the most criminalized forms of work.

 
Sarcasm aside, the strategies each sex worker chooses to implement is based on their individual comfort level. There are best practices that make sense to help reduce risks. Reduce being the operative word. Risks cannot always be eliminated with 100% certainty. That said, whenever possible, why not attempt to be vigilant?

 
Those of us who aren't naive newbies understand how law enforcement generally operates when targeting sex workers. It's a saddening reality that they are mostly concerned with "low hanging fruit" which usually looks like cops harassing street based sex workers or profiling people they perceive to be street based sex workers. Investing manpower and money into splashy operations targeting high volume parlors and agencies is another major priority.

 
When it comes to cops trying to catch independent providers, that's why it's helpful to screen and avoid explicit correspondence. It's one thing to know law enforcement is probably compiling databases of providers' ads and pictures. But the stakes of knowing that drastically escalate if a provider meets said law enforcement officers. And a provider can avoid winding up in a hotel room with cops doing a sting by engaging in harm reduction strategies like NOT texting back and forth with Bob who refuses to complete verification while simultaneously demanding confirmation that he will definitely receive MSOG and BBBJ with CIM for $500.

Same

Sting bust happens based on your intent not always your actions.

No cop is waiting for a penis to enter a vagina before taking you to jail.

Bravo for this beautifully articulate response! Nailed it!! xo

It is completely up to you if you want to take the advice of the many sex workers that have chimed on this thread. And no, no cop is waiting for a penis to enter a vagina before taking you to jail because that is only illegal when money has been agreed upon by both parties either verbally or via text as evidence for the act to take place.  
You need to mitigate the risk in your personal life to the level that makes you feel safe. But at this point if you contact 10 sex workers and ask if they offer BBBJ and only one responds, you now know the reason why.

You are my success coach.  Again!

When would it be ok to ask about certain things? After verification?

I ask because sometimes I read reviews and they contradict each other about services.

but then if i have a lady verify me and I don't see them, will that upset you?

Doing so beforehand is a good way to get ghosted.

I imagine a lot of the reason for the variation in what reviews state is offered is down to the client’s hygiene and level of respect. Simplest example: I generally am happy to do BBBJ, but if you have fish dick, I might not. I’m not always in the mood for DATY, and I may also decline if the client is slobbery, has suboptimal oral hygiene, doesn’t seem to take feedback well, or has stubble that he grinds into my face and neck.

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Didn't you announce your departure a week or two ago??

The other is: no one cares.

Sounds like you are the one that is shouldering the problem and you are one of the few that cared enough to comment.

Thanks for the invite but i prefer to sit back and be entertained. Plus, i dont have the want to go back and forth in any area where i know im correct but some tik tok pro is going to want to continuly and obsessively go back and forth.

i googled a lot of articles about stings (LE loves to boast…) and saw only ONE instance in albany, ny where they went after providers that appeared to be independent

they were all outcalls to local motels…i was surprised to see the list of names being almost all female

i don’t think even a male cop would go to an incall because they would not control the room..:i mean the provider could be a trained kgb or cia assassin that could beat up or kill the cop and escape, or joking aside, could have a pimp or armed goons nearby or could be armed herself…men tend to always underestimate a smaller female’s capacity for physical violence when threatened or cornered

whatwver the case, those ladies in albany were probably not too bright and communicated prices for sex acts…

He may have slept at a Holiday Inn last night.

My questions were essentially rhetorical as I knew you didn't have an answer. And now you went and proved me right.

Some of you ard truly some odd birds. Ok bud, you got me, you are the big winner.

Didn't you announce your departure a week or two ago???

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Most of these girls have either been arrested themselves at some point or have successfully dodged law enforcement for years. You would think that might make you a little more deferential to people with actual, lived experience. But since you are not, let me break this down for you.

Law enforcement is running a numbers game. Yes, they can do deep dives, pull records, seek warrants, and build long-form cases. But they almost never do that for routine solicitation because it is a poor use of time and resources. Most departments are not interested in combing through years of message-board posts hoping to assemble a fragile case that will likely fall apart. In fact, relying heavily on past online speech to justify an arrest is one of the fastest ways to see that arrest challenged or overturned.

For an arrest to stick cleanly and easily, they want something very specific. You must explicitly state that you are exchanging a specific sex act for money, and then they must catch you taking cash for sex. Anything short of that, and most law enforcement will simply move on, not because it is impossible to pursue, but because the juice is not worth the squeeze.

Cops want quick, defensible arrests that clear easily. They get those numbers by targeting people who do not know what they are doing. So when someone refuses to discuss sex acts, they remove a huge amount of low-hanging leverage right out of the gate. That alone drastically reduces interest unless there is already a larger investigation underway.

This is also why most smart girls do not have anything overtly incriminating on their websites. “Donation is for my time” is common for a reason. A credit card on file for web upkeep on a site that does not mention sex proves nothing by itself. Could law enforcement try to stretch that in a broader case. Sure. Will they for a basic solicitation scenario. Almost never. Once again, your rationale assumes unlimited motivation and resources that simply do not exist.

The same applies to P411. Not all accounts are public, and the information on them is rarely sufficient to justify anything on its own. Many people do not even fill out the services section, and even when they do, it is anecdotal and contextual. It may contribute to probable cause in a larger case, but it is not something officers are building standalone arrests around.

You also keep bringing up emails and old texts with naughty details. She just told you she does not discuss sex acts. So what exactly makes you think she is sitting on a trove of incriminating messages. And even if she were, law enforcement does not magically gain access to private communications without a warrant or prior cause. Those things happen in larger investigations, not routine solicitation stings.

And please explain what phone records or hotel stays prove on their own. Nothing. They may support a theory, but they do not establish a crime. Phone tracking without a warrant is inadmissible, and warrants are not being pursued absent a much bigger case.

Here is the real issue, my friend. You believe you are far smarter than you actually are. You would not be the first. Many men who see sex workers convince themselves they possess superior intellect while assuming the women are reckless or stupid. But this is not The Wire, and you have clearly absorbed more television drama than real-world process.

Yes, law enforcement can find ways to arrest people for almost anything given enough time, access, and motivation. That is not the question. The question is whether they will. And the answer, in the overwhelming majority of routine solicitation scenarios, is no. Resources are finite. No department is assigning officers to chase warrants, subpoena data, and perform deep digital forensics unless there is a broader operation, trafficking concern, or repeat target already in play.

At the end of the day, most cops are listening for one thing. “I will do X for X amount of money,” followed by you physically handing over cash. If you avoid that, you do not eliminate all risk, but you dramatically mitigate it.

Back in the day when Gina ran p-411 actual sex acts like BBBJ where not allowed and most people followed the rules. Any questions like that would be answered by text or email . Over the years things became more open and discussed more freely. A few years go by and in the east coast area it wasn't unusual to be reported to Mr number for asking about a bbbj would cause you to be reported. Mostly this was new escorts' or from Tryst types. For reference this was just asking about availability or " on the Menu " .  Now its different on what part of the country your are in, for example I would not be surprised about being reported or blown off for asking  in my area for asking about a bbbj. While at the same time I would have no concerns asking any provider in the state of Texas the same. Granted the only reason to ask if they have no reviews or the reviews give a mixed answer, lets say her TER page says no to a bbbj but her reviews say otherwise.
What are your thoughts ?        

Not sure what you were saying about when Gina ran p411 but when I joined a few years prior to the TER shutdown theP411 menu page contained  dry specific  items using the acronyms such as BBJNQNS amongst others .
Had to look up most of them. At that time the fact that here the provider said specifically what she would do in the menu portion and did not have to believe some guy in a review claiming he got this or that.
Do not remember wha year but think lawyers got involved and things got so general and generic that was worthless.

Correct....FOSTA/SESTA necessitated the changes.

Presenting options as facts lol. What a tool.

I totally agree with this.

100% true and heard it from their mouths. They only go after indies if there is an issue like selling drugs or some other major crime. Or they are just simply causing issues at like hotels etc. With all that said just be careful who you play with and be careful who you piss off. Some ladies get in trouble because the person with the right connections or push gets them in trouble.

Best explanation ! Great answer IMO.  

I literally snorted... out... loud... and then promptly gagged.  
 
My cat was not as amused as I was.

Well said, my dear, well said

A couple of questions to make sure we're on the same page is fine with me.  
Lubing up and embarking on a multi page diatribe because you're a fantasy Booker is not.

some prividers advertise “trips to greece” or even blatantly post “greek has an upcharge.” on tryst or theor websites

how is that any better? do you think a cop is reading that and saying, “wow, this chick really loves to travel to greece and she even throws in a greek lesson after the sex for 300 extra!”

Hi Old Ranger  
 I have deep respect for you as you have given me great advice about you area. I do question your timing on your post. Many years before Covid or the TER shutdown  Gina did have a more relaxed attitude and specific sex acts on listings . Later on and again long before the  covid or the TER shutdown she changed to the policy of unspoken rules about sex act on her site   Its very possible it may have different depending on what part of the US you may have been. So either of us may be wrong . Thanks again for your help in the past.