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I don't recall being asked to put a provider's name on the envelope but I wouldn't hesitate. It simply identifies who it belongs to.
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It's been a while since a lady has asked me to put her name on the envelope but the theory is that, if you are LE, it would have been logical for her to take the envelope because her name was on it. A lady walking into a hotel room, picking up a blank envelope and putting it in her purse could conceivably be arrested for theft even before the sex takes place...
-- Modified on 9/25/2007 4:07:39 AM
Help, please!
I'm pretty new to the hobby and have only hobbied in my hometown. I will be out of town on business later this week, and I've arranged for an outcall to my hotel. The provider, over the phone, asked me to write her name on the envelope. Is that strange? I've never had to do that before, but I've always done incalls. Is this common? Perhaps I'm being paranoid?
Thanks!
It's been a while since a lady has asked me to put her name on the envelope but the theory is that, if you are LE, it would have been logical for her to take the envelope because her name was on it. A lady walking into a hotel room, picking up a blank envelope and putting it in her purse could conceivably be arrested for theft even before the sex takes place...
-- Modified on 9/25/2007 4:07:39 AM
I even go as far as asking them to place it in the washroom, this way, no exchange is made, and it makes it less uncomfortable. Never had a problem!
PS....BostonGuy: love your tidbit:
"A lady walking into a hotel room, picking up a blank envelope and putting it in her purse could conceivably be arrested for theft even before the sex takes place"
MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!!
All of my dates give me a "thank you" or even (for fun) a "birthday" card that is in the envelope, so it only makes sense to have my name on it.
Ditto with the powder room placement idea. Not discussing or accepting it in front of my date makes the experience seem much more ~real~.
-- Modified on 9/25/2007 9:12:25 AM
so I like to not have the responsibility of the cash on me! so, I'm pretty pointed when I leave the envelope - as I just like to get that out of the way....
and on one of the last outing, I brought presents!!! and in some ways, I think that meant more to the lady than the envelope... just that I thought of her before I "showed up!"
There are lots of ways to present the envelop... that are creative and fun....
Having the hobbyist place the envelope in the bathroom so as to qvoid a direct hand-to-hand exchange is just not going to work, and i fear you're living in a fool's paradise if you think a LE case against you will fail on that grounds.
In NY state, the courts have defined a concept know as "constructive possession" in narcotics cases: something need not necessarily be directly in someone's grasp to constitute possession, but mere proximity to the object and some sort of ownership control over it serves to do the trick. They use this relentlessly in the most penny-ante nickle bag, $10 rock crack cases. i imagine it could be applied just as easily to vice/public morals cases if the local prosecutor was so inclined. I can't imagine too many jurisdictions in the US with so little crime to control that they would feel the need to prosecute in the absence of other crimes or a demonstrable public nuisance situation bringing forth complaints from outraged citizens.
Good luck with that anyway.
That's why it's important not to pay cops for sex.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't catch where she mentioned that avoiding hand-to-hand ANYthing would prevent ANYthing...
Some ladies want to keep the date feeling like a DATE. That is, no talk of envelopes or cards during time spent together...nothing opened in front of each other...but only to keep the feel of a true date in tact.
You're correct, I did indeed read too much into this, no doubt much more than intended.
Still, i always find it curious how it seems to me that many think that expedients like using the term "donation" or placing the sealed envelop in plain view on some visible surface is going to get them out from under LE problems. If LE is that close to you, you're already in trouble.
Ah, but i don't wanna be a downer. Carry on hobbying.
I hadn't thought of that until someone did that for me and then I thought, what a good idea!!!! When things slow down around here and I get back into the swing of things, I'll have to start telling people to put it in the restroom.
I wish I could take credit for being so clever Jamie but a provider actually told me that her first agency insisted on that policy.
I don't put a name on the envelope and I wouldn't unless the lady specifically requested it. I never hand it to the lady. I leave it in plain site when I enter the room and it is never mentioned.
-- Modified on 9/25/2007 5:43:28 PM
I don't recall being asked to put a provider's name on the envelope but I wouldn't hesitate. It simply identifies who it belongs to.
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For some reason (laziness comes to mind) I've never put cash in an envelope, unless I was going to a wedding. I suppose that there's a purpose to it, but I've seen it as an unnecessary formality. Maybe it's because I have a quirky habit of leaving hundred dollar bills in the soap dish, but it's never been an issue for me.
If it's someone new you're seeing, get her a birthday card and place the donation in it, especially if you're using her name (which I don't like). That way, she'll feel more safe because LE wouldn't do that. They want to be sure she's receiving money, not a gift.
Take care everyone, and I'll see you all next week (hopefully).
Hugs,
Ciara
I thought I came up with this idea.............dumb me!
I purchased "Thank You" "Birthday" and "Graduation" cards myself, write a little message inside, then ask that the gentleman add my name and any other message he may wish, sign it and leave it on the bathroom counter
Thought I was inventing the wheel I guess!
I never put her name on the envelope. Now, with a lady I see regularly, I buy a card of some type, and I'll usually write a little something in the card and put her name in there, but I still don't put her name on the outside of the envelope.
Runningman
for my fair, dear lady on the front of the envelope.
In all honesty, I would feel a bit weird about writing her name on it too.
On the other hand, she might not be so bright and think that this in some way protects her against hardship.
xo Lisa
-- Modified on 9/26/2007 10:24:33 AM
I generally do not show up empty handed and a gift bag with the donation is a habit with me.
I never put the Provider's name on the envelope, but instead put the name of a charity on it. "Make a Wish", "Society for Demeaning Plebnea", etc.
Once I've entered the room I set the bag down and ask to wash my hands and suggest that the Lady check the bag out.
This came about after I had been approached by LE when I exited my vehicle in a hotel parking lot.
Yes... if you're in their cross-hairs it can be tough talking your way out. But most everyone knows that going into the game. (I hope!)
OK, I guess the name was a bad idea, I'm learning!
I support a couple of non profit groups, so from now on I will make it a donation to one of them
I am now wondering if my showing up with my pre-purchased cards is thoughtful or crass?
Honest input would be helpful on that!
I've never had a problem handing the money directly to them. But then the money is for the organization and not for the Priest! And now Priests are 'donating' money back to their flock...
...that's always gets their attention.
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