Frankly I don't see why you would ever mention seeing another provider to someone you were that familar with; it's not her business who you see.

can sometimes bite you in the @ss.  I know because I have crossed this line myself & later wish that I had not.  
It is always best to avoid discussing other providers.  Feelings should not enter into pay4play but sometimes it does.
skb

Why the CPs think the BP (black providers) smell funny always makes me wonder.

The LP (latina providers) never seem to care is I book a sister, as long as I don't go on and on about how I like big butts (I cannot lie. But they do get pissy if I tell them I booked a little blonde spinner. Maybe that's a hair thing. I don't know.

I had this one little jewish american (JAP) gal. She was an ATF. I told her I was going to book with this 100% Italian provider (IP) from Jersey. JAP said "Doesn't she blow you bare and swallow?"

After that there was no more DFK with JAP so IP was my new ATF. That is, until she found out I booked a LP. She asked me "Isn't she just a barrio crackho?" I explained it wasn't like that, that she was a stripper & times are tough. IP told me she didn't care if I wanted a BP now and then, but LP were dirty and there would be no more bbbjcimnqns. That sucked!

then I FINALLY figured out what I was doing wrong.

Now I just choose "exotic mixed" ladies and I have no problem!!!!!

Plus, I really like the way they smell.



HalfHour

'Hmmmm,' she says, after mentioning a review I'd written. 'I had the impression you preferred chocolate,' with a roll of her eyes.  

Whatever.

Thankfully, I've never experienced any such bias, but then again, I never discuss where I've been and with whom. Some hobbyists trade their TER IDs and other information as if it helps them score points. I have found it does not and in fact can become a problem when feelings sour and they almost always do. Who I spend my money with and when concerns only me and the other person. Women have the right to see who they want and they can decide not to see someone, again, that is their right. Everyone is best served if they tell people their fears, biases, and prejudices up front. If they have a problem, with people because of where they are from or the color of their skin, just be glad they told you. Knowledge is power and knowing that someone is a cretin hypocrite is like having an endless stack of chips playing roulette. You almost can't lose. When she finds out that most of her hobbyists fuck all races of women, she'll starve and beg to gang-banged by guys with monster black cocks. LOL

Oriental/Asian who really gives a fuck? Lets not get bogged down by petty bullshit and semantics.

I was going to predict that some smallminded person would take Mikey to task for the using the word oriental, you just beat me to it.

I also use "black" instead of African American. If you were born in this country, you are simply an American in my book. All these hyphenated classes of Americans are simply ways to be divisive and keep racism alive IMO

The Human race..
If a spaceship of shape shifting beauties lands in my yard, I will try to keep a open mind.

I think post (NO hard feelings with OP) is probably one of the sickest on this board ever.

And this is hard to accomplish.

Lina

is still my personal favorite line.

Just today I had someone contact me for a date and in correspondence he asked if I am italian.

I said no, Russian.  


"Ohhh you are one of those Brooklyn Russians? Do you work as provider because you need greencard?"


The End.

Lina

I used an alias because I don't want any honey I've reviewed to be embarrassed or falsely implicated.  I had seen a Caucasian provider on and off for over a year.  We were quite friendly with one another, real name basis, visited her home, etc.  The last time I saw her I casually mentioned that I was going to see provider X, who is African American.  CP (Caucasian provider), who did not know or care about my TER name and never saw my reviews of providers across the rainbow, was surprised I was seeing provider X and said something like *doesn't she smell funny*.  I was really shocked, said of course not, and the topic fell away.  I have not heard hide nor hair from CP since, after repeated inquiries (and she still actively advertises).  I strongly suspect I have been blackballed by her for seeing providers outside my race (Caucasian).  Anyone else ever run into this situation?  I don't believe I've ever seen this topic discussed before.  If I could ever be certain that was the reason I never heard back from CP, I'd rip her a new one.

Aaaah it feels so good to be on winter break from classes and to join the world of TER again Sooo here goes....sounds like to me someone doesn't like sharing lol. Sharing is caring And also you can see whomever you like and if she doesn't respond to you ever again, so what? There are plenty of beautiful ladies to go around

I see white ladies. I see black ladies. I see oriental ladies. I see hispanic ladies.

She could be polka dot for all I fucking care. As long as she looks damn good, and fucks the taste out of my mouth, WTF?

It's all pink inside anyway?!

I'm shocked and pissed that this happened.  I thought (naively, obviously) that people participating in the hobby were not close-minded douchebags.  I hope you're not shooting the messenger here.  Again, I am not 100% certain, but if I were a betting man...

You mention this, and the bigots screen themselves out.

However, it could have been any provider and not just the race issue. When I sometimes ask for reference, some providers do not even reply and some become defensive and say, why you do not want to see me anymore? Again the really professional ones act the most professional, but there are some out there that think that they have exculusivity to you as a provider.........

I understand how you feel being that I am African American.  We get this kind of stuff all the time.  Recently I have noticed an increase in the amount of providers that say "no African Americans" and I really don't understand why.  I have even seen this from some African American women.  I also wonder how I would feel if the shoe was on the other foot and their post said "no Caucasians"

I have come to the conclusion that it really doesn't matter because there are many more providers in the sea of pleasure.



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For seeing African Americans, shemales, even a provider with CF. No shortage of bigots in the hobby.

Among other things... consider the recent newbie thread where he was shocked to hear about BBFS. Until these things are brought out into the light and discussed, there is no chance that they'll ever change. And they won't come into the light to be discussed if all we ever do is jump all over them. That doesn't mean we have to approve of, or agree with, their acts, views, etc.

Consider the history of race relations in the US
Emancipation proclamation signed in 1862
The Civil War ended in 1865
13th Amendment signed 1865
Jim Crow laws ran for the next 200 years from 1876 until 1965
1954 Brown v Board of Ed.
1955 Emmett Till & Rosa Parks
1957 Martin Luther King and Little Rock
1960 Woolworths lunch counter sit-in
1961 "freedom riders" are attacked while testing new laws that prohibit segregation in interstate travel facilities
The list goes on...

Our parents lived and worked (as did many of us) during the Jim Crow era. That's only two generations ago. Again, not an excuse, but until we understand what we're dealing with we can't get past it. No matter how many laws are passed.

Despite being in a mixed relationship, the best I can say about myself is that I know I have prejudices.

It has less to do with her racist antics than this has to do with her controlling mentality.

So if you decided to see an Asian lady, a Latina, a Jewish lady, or any other race, culture, or body type she does not approve of.....who's money are you spending hers or yours?


She is really sad.........

I could call myself a lilly-ass white boy. Hick. White trash. Cracker. Gringo. WTF?

You know what I mean. Don't patronize me and try to dissect my meaning.

I call 'African American' ladies black. Hispanic ladies 'Chicas'.

Until anyone of them complain about my terms, and think I'm out of line, THEN I'll be more careful as far as my terminology. Until then, you, STFU!

They know as well as I do that the only thing that matters when we meet is we have a damn good time. Hopefully on their end as well.

I've been surrounded by people of many facets all my life. Whether it be color, religion, political preferences, I don't give a fuck.

What I give a fuck is how that person treats me.

Now, I'll be even more frank. If that person is of the female persuasion, 18 to 40, looks hotter than fuck, and for some goddam reason thinks it would be a great idea to fuck me, who am I do deny?!

WTF!!! What's so fucking hard in this equation?

Those are her own issues to deal with.  I've had people find out I'm Mexican and say things like, "Really?  But you seem so clean cut" or "educated" or whatever other adjective.  

Disgusting but I just move on.  I'm happy being me, I'm happy surrounding myself with positive people who are real, nonjudgmental, etc...

I live near Detroit, whose population is over 80% black.  I've had several girls tell me flat-out that they avoid or downright refuse clients who originate from the 313 area code (Detroit/Wayne County... basically, anywhere south of 8 Mile Road [yes, the same one from the Eminem movie]), which means that they're generally avoiding black clients.  Not because of racism; they could care less about race (the only color that matters to them is green ).  No, they avoid them because, in their experience, they've been nothing but bad news (ripoffs, "party & play," that sort of thing).  Obviously, I can't speak from that experience, and shitty behavior transcends racial boundaries, but given the racial makeup of the Detroit area... well.

This is another thing that, to me, falls in the PC bullshit area.  What exactly is the difference between Oriental and Asian except that someone "decided" one was PC and the other wasn't.  When did that happen and why? It's like Black vs. African American; or retarded (which, yes, actually used to be a "correct" term) vs. "developmentally challenged. I mean, Jesus, gag me with a spoon.  Because I guarantee you in a year or so Asian will be totally uncool after being supplanted by something new.  So unless it's the "N" word or something like that, people should relax.  We're all just human beings after all.

No, I've actually got more to say on this.  Yes, prejudice is bullshit, because it means prejudging an individual because of their race, religion, ethnic group or any other exterior characteristic.  But to deny that differences exist is just stupid.  For example, I hate phonies who say, "I don't see color." Bullshit!  A person's exterior is the first thing you see and of course you notice it.  What matters is what you do about it then.  Here's an example.  I'm a liberal and proud of it.  I voted for Obama and I'm still proud of it. I'm mainly proud of it because he was a terrific candidate.  My problem is he's actually not liberal enough for me.  But when it comes to providers, most African/American women don't turn me on.  Why? How the fuck should I know!  What I do know is it has nothing to do with who they are as human beings.  I'm not into BBWs either.  I like brunettes better than blondes.  So what? So how about we stop obsessing about labels and judging people when it's clear they don't mean any harm.  Fuck PC.

As an Asian, I agree that yellow is like using the N word because it was used in a derogatory manner when the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed (which by the way is the only Federal law ever passed which excluded a specific racial group in the USA).  I believe oriental was used by the British and it connotates a thing like an oriental rug.  To say Oriental is to say that the person is not a human being but a thing to be used and abused.  That is why some Asians do not like the word Oriental.

ALMOST!

unless it comes from a friend.lmao

Oriental is just derived from the Spanish word "oriente" which means east, just like Asian means from asia, BFD

The next fucking person who objects to oriental in my presence is likely to get "punched in the throat" (Thank you Mikey), just like the next black person I hear insisting on being called "African American" is getting the same fucking treatment.

I just got off the phone with a black friend of mine and asked his opinion on the subject. His answer to me was "How the fuck should I know? Aren't you chinks supposed to be smarter than us niggers?" Now that's a friend. lmao

My point is that the most PC among us can be the biggest real racists, and not being PC is not synonymous with being a racist. I will have to admit, I don't care much for the term "yellow"

and how I have no accent, I guess I am the oriental version of the "eloquent" black man. lol

I don't know where the stereotype started that we were so GD smart if we can't even see through Bullshit PC crap like oriental vs asian.

It just two sides of the same fucking coin and it means not a god damned thing. and like inicky pointed out, in another year "asian" will be out and something else will take it's place.

Only stupid asians dislike the word oriental, if you are in that camp, I apologize, but my opinion stands.

I will admit to no being particularly fond of the word "yellow" when used in regard to people from asia. Maybe it's partly because of the reason you mention or maybe it's because the term "yellow" has been synonymous with "cowardly" for so long. Whatever the reason, I don't react too well to being called "yellow" either. Like the word nigger, it's hard to frame "yellow" in a positive manner, even harder IMO

People need to worry less about who is seeing who and more on their business.The CP is ignorant and sounds like she has issues be glad you have not heard back from her who needs the aggravation.There are people with a small mental capacity on their views regarding race and they will never open their minds regardless of what anyone tells them.This one takes the cake for me on racist BS the CP thought that BP smell.Hell anyone can smell if they don't wash their ass.

They are out of this world  8o)

Nothing better than outercourse.  8o)

Join the space race!  8o)

Aliens do it with their four arms. 8o)

(I'll go stand in the corner now.)

Has blackballed you with other providers out there because you were honest with her about your personal choice to explore other ladies.. I do suspect that maybe she choose not to see you again because of it. Again, That is her choice.. Put on your big boy panties and move on...

I understand words come to mean things that, in and of themselves, they don't literally mean.  Oriental, for example, simply means of or from the East.  Asian literally means of or from Asia.  Same kind of thing, right?  No inherent difference and one is literally no more positive or negative than the other.  Yet Oriental, which in the past had no negative connotation, has one now.  Doesn't make any sense and yet one must be senstivie to it.

Oh God no sweetie not angry with you Just the selfishness and stupidity of your lady friend. But sweetie your are free to see whomever you like. And she needs a chill pill or a jump into reality

By using the term blackball, I did not mean she told other providers not to see me, only that she personally has not responded.  Again, I am not 100% certain, so I was following up strictly out of curiosity.  Never have trouble moving on.  Just thought it was worth discussing and bringing to the forefront, and based on the responses, other people thought saw as well.

In one of my reviews it even says "you can understand what she says"


You just gotta roll with the punches i guess

Lina

Vi muzt get all skverrel and muuuuze

Some providers get very territorial.  IMHO many ladies are gonna be negative if you bring up seeing another provider.  It doesn't have to be racist either.  I've had a provider get upset with me for a lady that was thinner then her.  On another occasion I had a provider get upset because I was seeing a lady with a hair color she new was my favorite, obviously not the same color as hers.   Just for the record I did not volunteer this information.  She saw it here.  Not to be a d*ck,  but where does a provider get off even bring this up to a client.  Should we be able to ask if you have seen X many guys today(you might be past my limit).  Or can we ask what races you've seen today.   I think not and we are not supposed to care.  A provider that behaves like this is no lady and at the least a racist.  Perhaps she's just not very nice.  Cut them off and move on. IMO
Doc

This guy has this entire situation figured out in 4 simple words!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8suVjclu8Zo

Oh, at least you're not drunk. Did you eat your lucky charms today? Do me this favor and I'll buy you a bottle of Jameson! Oh come on, you can afford it, where's your pot of gold?

I can only laugh, as I tend to self-depricate in the same fasion. Unless I get that shit from an Italian...cause they always mean it...fucking goomba's.

I certainly didn't mean it to be in a negative vein. To me, a lady from China or Japan or Korea and the like is oriental.

Now, if you prefer the term Asian, wouldn't that connotate a lady from Russia also? or Afghanistan? or India? Saudi Arabia?

I might not be the smartest mother-fucker here, but I can look up a map and tell you where the continent of Asia is and the countries that inhabit it.

Doesn't make any fucking sense to me to call a lady Asian, knowing goddam well that can mean one from any region of Asia.

If I'm talking about a lady of Chinese descent, or Japanese, Korean and such, I mean oriental. Like hispanic can mean a lady from Spain, Mexico, or Central or South America.

Yeah, I know goddam well there are ASIANS that live in these regions. Don't be a wise ass!

And I'm with you, Gambler, in that the term yellow is demeaning and to me the person that uses that term is, infact, the yellow one.

BTW, I wanna watch you punch someone in the fucking throat! It'll be fun as hell, all drunk watching you crush them in their windpipe! lmao!!!

I have a couple of clients that talk about some providers they have seen, both good and bad experiences, but race usually never comes up. I could care less who my clients see.

I have it from both ends of the spectrum. I have some clients that will see providers of all races but prefer certain races. I think it's all about what you like and it might not necessarily mean you are a racist. I have several regulars that are white but I have never dated a white guy outside of hobbying. I actually had a client ask me about this once. He couldn't understand how I see white clients but have never dated a white guy. It really hasn't been something that I was trying to avoid. I just haven't been in a situation to date a white guy. With that being said, I really don't date much period. I can name about 4 guys that I actually called my boyfriend

On the other end, I don't know any personally, but I have seen ads where providers state they don't see black guys. Some providers may be racist, but from what I understand, a lot of the providers that don't see black guys usually do so because they feel more black guys usually try to negotiate rates or get "free" dates. So, at least in my perspective, it's more about the money than their actual race.

To be honest, I have had more black guys try to haggle with me about rates. I've had more black guys that just want to go to lunch and "hang out" because they think I have enjoyed our time together soooooo much But I would never stop seeing black guys because of this, because several of my black clients are my favorite clients.

I think any providers who exclude any race from their list of clientele miss out on some really good clients, but I guess in their mind, the bad outweighs the good.

"If you are from Mars, and you got a pussy, we will fuck you!"

Way too much PC BS for a board that is supposed to be fun.  Lighten up and get laid.

HI. Wow, this got off-topic, but feel I may add something: I am a non-caucasian individual and involved in a very liberal field of work, and live in one of the bluest congressional districts in the USA. But, I am very realistic about race relations. I dislike the "Kum-Ba-Ya" attitude of most of my colleagues. The reality is that there is a very interwoven, multi-layered and very complex race-relation issue in this country. I discriminate against no one and live my life by the Golden Rule. Anyway.

I believe the term "Oriental" in unfavored by some people because of implications stemming from Imperialism: During the late 19th and early 20th centuries "Oriental" and "The Orient" were the common terms to refer to people Asia and Asia in general. There were some great evils perpetrated by the British in that part of the world: consider the Boxer Wars stemming from the British basically getting the Chinese population hooked on opium. The balls on those white devils! But we have evolved: slowly, true: but we are better now. And my white SO and my white friends are better than their ancestors. Well, in this country anyway. The genocide in the Balkans is not too far removed after all.

And basically that's why I think: it's loaded with old-world racism and kind of pointless as well: the Orient is East, and the Occident West. And it's of course all relative. And that's why it can be offensive now a days: it is a wholly western-centric term. I mean, California is east of Japan. They don't call Californians Orientals in Tokyo, right?

BUT, back on topic. If the CP isn't calling you because you also see a provider of color, well too bad. No loss, move on. Plenty of other hot CP providers out there. Just be discreet.

As for myself, I looove Latinas and White women. I am very attracted to some black women but have never had the chance to sleep with one. But I am completely unattracted to Asian women. I'm just not wired for it. I used to feel bad about it, but as I grew older I realized that's who I am. We are very much a product of our genetic make up after all.

Suggest you find any available clips from "Earth Girls Are Easy."

but BP made his stupid assed post before I could finish typing my prediction. lol

and Mikey just remember, It is not appropriate to go around punching people in the throat, even if I am the one who suggested it. lmao

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as they are all true. rofl

and just what is wrong with getting paid in bottles of Jaemson?

Oh I forgot to tell you, I am actually half goomba myself, so I guess I only half mean it. lmao

He is also funny as hell. lol

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They're true? Fuck! I can't find me pot o' gold!

You really suck as a mangina. lol

You're too fucking civil to be an asshole, but you certainly suck as a mangina. rofl

Why did I spend more money on saving ladies from there own stupidity than I did trying to get in their pants this year?

And in spite of the fact that I try to be civil, I can be an asshole. Just ask some of my former employees, they will tell you I am a complete asshole.  Especially the lady I fired for stealing postage last week. I think she now hates me, but I do not tolerate theft in any amount and just don't care.

I'm like rubbing my temples because what I read about the CP almost made my head explode....i'm laughing because though it's awful what she said that ridiculous question "doesn't she smell funny" or w/e was funny. I would and could act shocked but i'm not .... and it's a bit sad that hadn't the OP mentioned the AA provider everything would be sunflowers and honey kisses.

It's just as bigoted.  Considering what we're all here for, I don't see the big deal.  I guess people think Black is contagious. LOL

It's their loss...

-Rani