It has only happen to me twice, where I fell head over heals for a provider. I am talking "falling in Love" vs "WOW". Maybe I am jaded because it seems most of the providers I see are either, why did I waste my money or that was good. Occasionally, but rarely there is a "Oh holly shit that was great".
On the other hand there has been only two providers that I felt that I made love to them. One has long sense moved on and she disappeared hopefully to a wonderful life. The other is still active. She moved from the area several years ago and I have not seen her since. Occasionally, I read her reviews and it is amazing similar comments by the hobbyist's. She is not the youngest, does not have a perfect body, but obviously the chemistry she emits is addicting.
I realize that there is no long term hope with her but the thought lingers. Any similar happenings to any of you? Ladies chime in here. Did anyone of you find your prince charming, not sugar daddy, through the profession?
Some people (very few) are just magnetic and the chemistry goes beyond skin deep. There is one who I met about 2 years ago, who is not the youngest guy, his hair may be a little (or all) white, and/or thinning a little ontop (lol) but if I asked the ladies who have seen him, 9/10 will probably say he is their ATF.
I can guarantee you two things Lila , a month with me you would be gushing with pride how good you made me feel , how bright you made me smile , every day we were together .
Unfortunately for my dreams , your description didn't fit me , my hair isn't thinning or near all white , though I would gladly color my hair for you , guaranteed I would smile big for you , if you care to pull my hair looking for thin spots , until I'm bald as a onion , still smiling big for you . 
Welcome back !
Posted By: Lila Aubrey
Some people (very few) are just magnetic and the chemistry goes beyond skin deep. There is one who I met about 2 years ago, who is not the youngest guy, his hair may be a little (or all) white, and/or thinning a little ontop (lol) but if I asked the ladies who have seen him, 9/10 will probably say he is their ATF.
From another Mother .
We both have the same Dad .
The reason I'm more handsome than my brother Drunken Asian and don't stagger when I walk ......
Dad wasn't drunk , the night he met my Mom .
Nice job telling everyone, can a guy get some privacy around here?
What's next, are you gonna tell everyone about the details of the love letter that Lila sent me?
Can be frustrating that way. Have one lady I see how isn't the wildest sexual athlete or a Victoria's Secret model, etc., but I like her a lot. And I don't think that it's a persona that I like, nobody could keep up an artifice for the number of hours that we've spent together.
I've just made my peace with her being my GF, but only during those two hour windows and I try to shut the door of my mind on the rest of her time.
I still don't see how providers can have a real SO, and stilll rent pieces of themselves to others. Must be a real mindfuck. Would make me crazy. If I was the SO, it would really make me crazy unless I was a pimp, and then I'd just eat a bullet and make the world a better place.
I am always amazed by how much talk about love there is on this board. Having sex is not the same thing as making love. You need love for that. Not (just) lust, not (just) good chemistry, not (just) fun or wow.
If you don't know the difference or can't tell the difference, then you are having sex.
I would guess that virtually everyone on this board is (at best) having sex. I doubt seriously that people are in love, though I don't doubt that they think they might be in love.
I have been with a few -- I'd say, four -- providers that really wowed me and that, if I wanted to believe it, I could convince myself, though probably not them, that love was in the air. But it was not, I am sure. Just me confusing paying someone to have good chemistry and good listening skills and good sexual skills. I don't have a problem with that, but it just ain't love!
Somehow paying someone to have sex with you does not seem like the most conducive way to start a loving relationship
but fair's fair, and you can only go with one of them so recently I did.
But it's still fun to enjoy the others.
uh BTW, just how many years has it lasted already? I am sure your relationship with "Mrs Fisher" has already lasted a lot longer than my marriage did with a "civvy" woman.
I think the trick is to not live under the same roof. We talk every day and keep up on each other's lives, but live our own lives.
We may be on to something.
I recall being told once that the Talmud advised Rabbis to live in a different city from their wives.
So, it's really just an illustration again that there is nothing new under the sun.
and yeah I have fallen for more than a couple of providers over the years, and the last thing I want is advice from the peanut gallery here on how to go about it.
It's about being a man or not. You know how to close the deal or not. You accept failure or not. You don't whine about it here. Like Sean Connery says in the Rock: Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen!
Congrats, MF. I'm going on seven years myself.
Posted By: GaGambler
and yeah I have fallen for more than a couple of providers over the years, and the last thing I want is advice from the peanut gallery here on how to go about it.
it's understandable that providers do not want a raging hormone for a client. Along with wanting the convenience, and superficial security that a long-term client can provide.
[We don't need to go into the Happily Ever Afters]
When I read that a lady is seeking the LTR, it sounds counter intuitive to the concept of P4P.
Stalkers, how do you interpret the LTR request?
its not counter intuitive to the concept of p4p, but it does fall right in line with the concept of open relationships and especially Polyamory
It is not only possible for a "hooker" to love one person while having sex for money with others, it's actually quite common.
I have been in many relationships with providers, and while the rules of "being faithful" are quite different from the norm, but there are rules nonetheless.
I'm talking in the context of most client provider relationships. Now I'd like to see the TER poll. The do you love your provider poll. Along with the do you love your client poll, for the ladies. Ya'll can put money on it.
I was excluding the relationships, where there was genuine emotion involved. I put those in a [box].
Then I was questioning the steady client request. Weighing the request against the majority of p4p relationships. Yes, all of my p4p relationships have been loveless. Have I been doing it wrong? :-
Yes, most relationships in this game are not steady and do not involve "love." But it does happen, and that's all the others are saying. I myself know several girls who are married and seemingly happily so, to former clients. Perhaps it's the exception that proves the rule, but it does happen.
In the context of my posts in this thread, I am forgetting about successful loving relationships that can aspire from this lifestyle. I usually like to expanded upon the thought process. This time I was contracting the thought process.
The whole thread was about perspective.
I'd like to see how many folks on either side of the isle. Have approached the first date looking for love. Only to find neither party had any chemistry between them.
but then again you are usually about as clear as mud, even on your best days, and these last several days have been far from your best.
I was using the BF terminology loosely more as a long term client who has a very good rapport with the provider. Versus an actual boy friend. I also wanted to acknowledge that those relationships can progress beyond that, and have the potential to become more. Then I wanted to dismiss that fact from the equation, so I could pose my question (why do providers sometimes advertise seeking a LTR?) in the form of a client.
I'm curious as to how different guys (the more naive ones) read into such language. That left me asking what does a woman expect to get out of that business model? I see many positives aspects, along with some potential negative consequences.
I try to keep it real and remember that there is a difference between affection and romance. I would certainly end things if “love” reared its ugly head from either party. I don’t think a provider has ever fallen for me, which is how I’d prefer our business relationship to be. Love makes you do stupid things and we all have to remain smart about what we’re doing
Posted By: Holedriller
It has only happen to me twice, where I fell head over heals for a provider. I am talking "falling in Love" vs "WOW". Maybe I am jaded because it seems most of the providers I see are either, why did I waste my money or that was good. Occasionally, but rarely there is a "Oh holly shit that was great".
On the other hand there has been only two providers that I felt that I made love to them. One has long sense moved on and she disappeared hopefully to a wonderful life. The other is still active. She moved from the area several years ago and I have not seen her since. Occasionally, I read her reviews and it is amazing similar comments by the hobbyist's. She is not the youngest, does not have a perfect body, but obviously the chemistry she emits is addicting.
I realize that there is no long term hope with her but the thought lingers. Any similar happenings to any of you? Ladies chime in here. Did anyone of you find your prince charming, not sugar daddy, through the profession?
is that the relationship between client and provider does not need to be hard dick to slab of meat. I think you can honestly have some affection for the person that you're with, and when you do, the sex is better.
Love and a LTR are obviously off the table, but I don't think that P4P rules out FWB.
Gotta keep it in perspective. There are a number of providers that I like a lot, I even have one that is definitely my ATF, but no chance of falling for them. At best, they're friends with benefits (that I pay for). They have their personal lives, I have mine, and never the two shall meet. When I first started in the hobby I thought I was having feelings for a provider, but we talked and she gave me some great insight in how to manage my feelings during these very intimate and deeply personal encounters, and it has since enhanced my experiences exponentially. Of course, given my age, and the length of time I've been married,the family and economic bonds are simply too deep-rooted to disturb. Besides, I cannot imagine a beautiful, vibrant, young woman in her 20s wanting to engage in a serious OTC relationship with a man 30+ years her senior. Just my two cents.
No.
Fell head over "heals" once, though. He turned out to be a dooche.
Any other questions?
The particular lady that I am talking about is touring my area and I would love to see her but I am very reluctant due to the fact I understand it cannot go further than a very temporary girlfriend.
Fuck her brains out. Then pay her to leave.
Since you don't really know her -
1) She could be a Shoe enthusiast, and even have a Shoe (captitalization $100 extra) fetish. As, in she can't REALLY get off unless you stick a the heel of a Loubie in her face
2) She could have a pet fetish. As in, she can't get off unless you let her talk about her pet, for at least an hour. I have a less severe variety of this as do many providers I've met.
3) She could have a husband fetish. As in, he's waiting in the car and will spend all of your donation on his failing business, and hookers for himself (true story, not mine, tho).
4). She could have a really ugly temper. Especially when a dude wants to buy her Frederick's of Hollywood lingerie rather than La Perla
5) Some girls don't like to shave or flirt or put on makeup, when they aren't getting paid. Some girls don't act horny when they're not getting paid. Imagine that?
Why ruin a good thing? If she does it for you...go for it, but keep it in perspective 
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and if I was you, I would book an session with her and enjoy it. Judging from her profile and her reviews, she has gotten better with time since you saw her as Mia. Hey man, this is not Match dot com, drop your envelope and have fun.... oh and at the end of your session tell her you love her and must be with her for all time. She will end that little fanatsy once and for all LMAO
Posted By: Holedriller
The particular lady that I am talking about is touring my area and I would love to see her but I am very reluctant due to the fact I understand it cannot go further than a very temporary girlfriend.
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Nor because we are any smarter, of course... It is just that for some of us (hobbyists of the 60+ board), even a provider in her early 40's is on the edge of the range where a woman could be considered as a long term partner...
So, we definitely enjoy the great fuck and are thankful for the (temporary) company and stay away from day-dreams. Maybe we are also easier for the ladies, who knows?
There are four ladies out there who definitely rang my bell (more than once). Good memories, but that is where I stop.
Personally, I do not notch my belt (never have). That is just disrespectful
It's a wonderful service that these ladies provide, they satiate a carnal need, most of them make us feel as if they are our girlfriend for X amount of hours. The best of providers will make you feel like a King, for X amount of hours. But at the end of that X amount of hours the fantasy is over, and we both move on with our lives.
It's a wonderful service they provide, in that because of them, men like myself don't have to "settle" for a member of the OTHFBC (over the hill fat broad club, thanks for that one ChgoCPA) or a good looking woman 15-20 years younger than myself that is after me for my money. I appreciate each and every lovely lady that I've been with for both wonderful services, it's the kryptonite for the OTHFBC and the gold diggers.
But back to the slippery slope I suspect you may be on, I think you may be setting yourself up for a rude awakening. It may not be wise for you to misinterpret your provider's intimate attention for more than it actually is, her doing what you are paying her to do and doing it well. These ladies are in a sense acting for X amount of hours and when that X amount of hours is up, it's up, and we both go our separate ways. I have ladies that I have seen more than once that I certainly care about, I don't want bad things to happen to them. But I also care about my hair stylist, I don't want bad things to happen to her either, she is always kind to me, asks me how my day is going and attends to my hair styling needs. Certainly the provider/client relationship is more intimate than the hair stylist/client relationship but they make considerably more money than does my hair stylist. I suspect you get the analogy, the only difference is that with the provider/client relationship discretion is paramount. If I were to see my hair stylist outside of her shop, I'd stop and say hello and perhaps enjoy a short conversation. If I were to see a Provider in public I would keep right on walking and/or not acknowledge knowing her.
I don't recall seeing you post in here before so I'll warn you that the usual suspects in here are likely to call you a mangina for your post. They mean it as an insult, but if you analize what this made up word means to them, it just means that you have compassion for your fellow human beings. In fact I wish I could be and am working towards being more of a mangina every day. I hope you don't allow them to insult you, if they do call you that. Even though I know their intention, I consider it a compliment. If you do indeed "fall in love" with this provider, I hope for your sake that it's mutual, because it's difficult for both people if love is not returned. I'm not one to give advice, I do however hope you take caution. There is very distinct line in our Provider/client relationship that in my opinion should not be crossed or even blurred.
None of what I've said in this post is meant to be insulting or condescending, you sound like you are good people. I hope it all works out for you
I am the one who coined the phrase, and I expect royalties anytime someone uses it. lol
and hey, I am one of the usual suspect you are talking about and having feelings for a hooker don't make a person a mangina, whining about it does, and so far I haven't seen the OP whining. The OP has already recognized that nothing more is possible, and appears to be wise enough to not set himself up for a fall, but I disagree with both of you that a "real relationship" is Impossible with a provider, but I would say in 99% of the cases, it's best not to try for anything more than what is offered.
Most "I've fallen for a provider" stories end badly unless she falls too, and even then the odds are against it. Anyone with a propensity for "falling hard" would most likely be best served by not allowing themselves to fall for a provider in the first place.
Posted By: GaGambler
I am the one who coined the phrase, and I expect royalties anytime someone uses it. lol
Maybe in this context, but I was hearing the term in massively multiplayer role playing games 10+ years ago! though there it meant guys that played female characters
A bunch of old, overweight women who band together. I have no idea how a bunch of guys could be "over the hill fat broads", so as the term applies here, I still claim credit. That and the SPOTY's lol
I think I got my posts mixed up, I thought you meant mangina
Then consider yourself paid.
OTHFBC....not a cent more than what I've already paid you either.
Russ doesn't yet get why a dude falling doesn't necessarily equate to mangina. But he seems like a fairly astute monger...and I'm pretty sure he isn't really a mangina. The gals that I play with generally have my utmost respect...that's why I like playing with them. But then I don't fall all over extolling the virtues here and place them on a pedestal. And when they ask "Does my ass look fat in these jeans"....I still respond with "Oh no...it's them fucking jeans". After all...they're still women!
well then I guess I still don't know the meaning of mangina, and that makes sense as it's a silly made up word. In fact the first time I saw it I was completely confused as I was pronouncing gina like the woman's name and not like the second half of vagina. the few times someone has used it at me it's been when I've shown compassion, and you may check if you'd like I have never whinned about anything or anyone on here. I'm free with my opinions and feelings, but I don't have the time nor patience to whine.
And allow me to be clear, I did not call him a mangina, I thought the usual cast of characters would though.
He actually did say he thought he was falling in love with a provider, and that's a slippery slope. The vast majority of these ladies, awesome as they are, are not interested in any of us after the X number of hours that we donate for. The vast majority of guys that think so are delusional. There are exceptions to every rule, but come on really? I feel it's best to lay down the envelope have fun, play into and with the fantasy and then politely wish her a wonderful evening, the line stays fast and firm and everyone is happy
Falling for a hooker doesn't make a person a mangina, common respect and courtesy doesn't make for one either. A couple of examples of what does make one a mangina are a habit of falling for EVERY provider that shows the slightest interest "might make you a mangina" (courtesy to Jeff Foxworthy" Kissing up to every provider on the board regardless of her behavior "might make you a mangina" or thinking that impressing a hooker by giving her gifts, over tipping, falling all over yourself to be "nice" is going to make a hooker fall in love with you "might make you a mangina"
There are several other types of behavior that I could list, but I think you should get the gist of what constitutes a mangina by now.
WELL SAID ....
Posted By: russbbj
It's a wonderful service that these ladies provide, they satiate a carnal need, most of them make us feel as if they are our girlfriend for X amount of hours. The best of providers will make you feel like a King, for X amount of hours. But at the end of that X amount of hours the fantasy is over, and we both move on with our lives.
It's a wonderful service they provide, in that because of them, men like myself don't have to "settle" for a member of the OTHFBC (over the hill fat broad club, thanks for that one ChgoCPA) or a good looking woman 15-20 years younger than myself that is after me for my money. I appreciate each and every lovely lady that I've been with for both wonderful services, it's the kryptonite for the OTHFBC and the gold diggers.
But back to the slippery slope I suspect you may be on, I think you may be setting yourself up for a rude awakening. It may not be wise for you to misinterpret your provider's intimate attention for more than it actually is, her doing what you are paying her to do and doing it well. These ladies are in a sense acting for X amount of hours and when that X amount of hours is up, it's up, and we both go our separate ways. I have ladies that I have seen more than once that I certainly care about, I don't want bad things to happen to them. But I also care about my hair stylist, I don't want bad things to happen to her either, she is always kind to me, asks me how my day is going and attends to my hair styling needs. Certainly the provider/client relationship is more intimate than the hair stylist/client relationship but they make considerably more money than does my hair stylist. I suspect you get the analogy, the only difference is that with the provider/client relationship discretion is paramount. If I were to see my hair stylist outside of her shop, I'd stop and say hello and perhaps enjoy a short conversation. If I were to see a Provider in public I would keep right on walking and/or not acknowledge knowing her.
I don't recall seeing you post in here before so I'll warn you that the usual suspects in here are likely to call you a mangina for your post. They mean it as an insult, but if you analize what this made up word means to them, it just means that you have compassion for your fellow human beings. In fact I wish I could be and am working towards being more of a mangina every day. I hope you don't allow them to insult you, if they do call you that. Even though I know their intention, I consider it a compliment. If you do indeed "fall in love" with this provider, I hope for your sake that it's mutual, because it's difficult for both people if love is not returned. I'm not one to give advice, I do however hope you take caution. There is very distinct line in our Provider/client relationship that in my opinion should not be crossed or even blurred.
None of what I've said in this post is meant to be insulting or condescending, you sound like you are good people. I hope it all works out for you.
Several posts respond to the OP by citing their own experiences, usually all tell of having known several providers (or clients), but one stands out as something more, an ATF. Of course one out of a group will always be your favorite (please, don't start an argument by talking about your kids). I've got a closet full of shirts. One of them is my favorite. I have five types of fruit juice in the fridge. One of them is my favorite. Need I go on?
The notion that there is something mystical about liking one provider more than the others is baffling. If you'd never met her, one of the others would be your favorite.
Please, folks, celebrating our feelings for each other is great, but seeing how such things work is great, too.
I'm pushing 50 and have never been married. He'll, I haven't been in a serious relationship in over 20 years. One of the reasons I was reluctant to start hobbying was that I was afraid I would fall for a PYT. Over a year in and it hasn't even been an issue. I've met some girls that have rocked my world, and some I would almost call friends, but nothing on any sort of emotional level.
I've had a couple girls ask me out for some OTC time, just coffee or what have you, nothing sexual, and it's just not a place I'm interested in going. I have nothing but respect for what these ladies do, and could probably date an ex provider, but not someone actively in the business.
I guess I just don't fall that easy. Probably explains why I never did get married.
nearly 50 and never been married. I wish I could say the same, almost but then I must have fallen down and hit my head. One short marriage and easy divorce later and I'm the happiest I've ever been in my life in the hobby.
I can't figure out marriage yet, and I was one of those fools. But let me get this straight:
Marriage, a man and woman make a promise to only have sex with each other for the rest of their life, the woman can at any time after the vows refuse sex or drastically reduce sex to use it as a tool. And if the guy strays to get sex, she gets half of everything he has, including rights to half his pension and portfolio. Hmmm, sounds like a great idea, and I fell for it once. I actually got out of mine for a grand total of $225 in court fees, we split everything, well I should say she divided everything, in her favor of course. But really what importance is furniture, pots, pans, dishes etc. She did get my dog, dang I miss my dog. But we didn't have kids and she bought me out of my half of the house during our separation so the divorce was easy. I hear the horror stories though of guys getting dragged over the coals, it's scary.
It's best, I think, to avoid marriage like the plague. A woman would have to drug me to get me back into that bullshit union and it would have to be mind altering. Fuck marriage, it's a lose/lose for the man and a win/win for the woman. I'm all for equality, but lose/lose and win/win are not equal in any equation.
That's my opinion, I didn't charge you for it, and that's what it's worth.
After reading you definitions of marriage and divorce I think cash on the barrel-head sounds like a pretty good deal. A real bargain. The social pressure to marry is pretty great, though, especially for the young. The need for monogamous relationships is fading in the culture, but still pronounced in the psyche. I wonder how many young lovers marry their partner out of a very real fear that someone else might get him or her.
It's all in the mind. Go figure.
She was married & Yes to the guy who said LOVE makes you do crazy stupid things. Looking back, it's surprising I didn't get my ass full of buckshot. Carried on the affair for a year under everyone's nose. I'm sure a lot of people knew but either chose to not get involved or couldn't prove what they knew. There is still a special place in my heart for her... maybe we'll get together again under different circumstances.
We aren't real. This is a fantasy. Have fun, but you will never be in love with us until well after WE have asked you to come into our real life and see what it's really like.
Ohhhhhhh my god I am such a freak sometimes, it really did come across that way hahahaha
