The cost of flights & hotel to any city is an investment, not including the time it takes to travel. I'm trying to see how both sides can be of assistance. People have invested in touring. Do you think it's acceptable to have a tour rate?
Do most providers pay out of pocket to tour? I find it difficult to tour, but maybe because of my lifestyle. Single mom head of household, family caregiver, life responsibilities, etc... My days of touring without pre bookings & deposits are long over. I would need 3-4 solid bookings to tour. Twenty years ago we would throw caution to the wind 💨 hoping to make money touring. No deposits. No advanced bookings. It was a crap shoot. 🎲 Hopefully 🙏🏽 Lady Luck 🍀 was by your side!...you have to report income that is illegally obtained as well to the IRS, but that includes all relevant expenses as well...so you can tour in areas that you wanted to visit anyway and write the whole vacation off, and if you get any clients, all the better.
Problem solved! lol
They just want to be sure they get their cut [taxes]. The penalties for money laundering and income tax evasion are often much harsher than for the underlying illegal activity. So, file that 1040 and Schedule A!
I have heard it said, I think on this forum, that one can not deduct expenses involved with an illegal activity from the revenue you report to the IRS.
Is this not so?
I would only take advice from my accountant of over twenty years. You can only deduct expenses from a legal & legit business. Everything is verified by receipts. You can deduct expenses from your legal LLC &/or fictitious business. My question was not tax related. My taxes are done.
Do you think it's acceptable to have a tour rate?
Yes, I think it is perfectly justified to have a tour rate.
Some cities have very high costs for hotels, dining, etc. So if a gal from a small mid-west city comes to New York, I wouldn't be surprised that her rates go up significantly to cover that cost, plus the cost of her airfare. Of course, she has to take note of the rates charged by gals who she compares herself to to make sure that she stays competitive.
there are all kinds of grey areas…if you are engaged in illicit businesses, chances are your accountant will know clever ways
i doubt you can deduct the 2 grand paid to bruno and tony to break legs for not paying gambling debts, but a receipted hotel stay for an escort is fair game
the irs usually wants to see receipts for necessary and proper business expenses
but as bia said, never take tax advice from some dude online lol
I say yes because only you can decide your rate. If you’re touring simply to turn a profit, and your regular rate makes it not worth it because of the expenses, than that is a you and only you decision. What you’re asking isn’t unusual, so any client will understand it. That does mean you will price yourself out of some of their budgets.
I think the better question to ask yourself is this: Is it a good business decision? If your higher rate keeps you at the demand that works well for you, I would say yes. But if it lowers your demand where it becomes too difficult to get bookings, to the point where you find yourself cancelling tours because you’re not reaching the pre bookings you need to justify the tour, I would say no.
There are always other factors. You want to vacation/visit the city anyway, then even your standard rate is lining your pocket. You have a FMTY, so you’re essentially sponsored, so your out of pocket expenses are significantly reduced.
In the end, you need to figure out what works for you. And, you need to be open to the possibility that touring just might not be worth it.
guys in cities you are touring to look online and see that they are paying more than the locals are paying when you are in a static location. Since there is little chance for a repeat session unless you will be there more than a week, the first thought that comes to mind for these customers is, "Hmm. I'm paying more, but what incentive does she have to give me her best effort if she may not ever see me again." It's makes them feel like they are being fleeced in order to see someone new. No one likes to pay more for the same thing someone else paid less for.
The best way to handle this is to put your tour schedule up on your website and invite guys to "prebook" at a 10% discounted rate. This will have the opposite effect as charging them more than what you charge at home. I have recommended this to ladies who tour to Vegas to work conventions and they say it works great. If they see your home rate is $1000/hr and they can see you while they are at the convention for $900, it's a great deal for them unless they are too late and you are already fully booked for the convention. Other than Vegas, if you are going to be there two weeks, and get two guys to pre-book, you have underwritten your cost of getting there and the first night's hotel expense. If you get within 10 days and have no prebooking's, then you can push the dates back. No customers will be harmed because no one has booked yet. Increasing the lead time solves the problem of the upfront travel fees. Just make sure you buy airline tickets that can be changed.
I see it all the time on tryst. Providers have touring rates listed on their ad or website and the touring rate usually is higher. I’ve also seen providers list different rates for different cities, with certain locations like LA or NYC being more expensive. It doesn’t seem to cost them clients or cause their business to suffer. I think most clients understand that touring costs more money than staying put and that hotel rooms in some cities are more expensive than hotel rooms in other cities.
What you are not seeing unless you look for it is when providers doing this end up canceling a particular tour stop because there was little interest in advanced booking. I'm not suggesting my way is the ONLY way to do it, but the ladies I have coached through this that work Conventions in Vegas love it. There have been many posts here from mongers who said they booked a girl who was scheduled to visit their city, and then the girl canceled the tour stop at the last minute. Maybe you missed those. In most cases, that monger was probably the ONLY one that booked for that week and she wasn't going to incur the travel expense for one customer, because it doesn't even break her even.
Here's a basic marketing lesson that applies to all small businesses. Once you have met your overhead costs in a particular time period, the most profitable business you will take in before that time period expires is the last dollar before the period ends. It's pure profit because nothing goes to overhead. If she covers her overhead of travel and hotel for a week with the first two or three customers, would she rather see two or three more during that week at a higher price, or be fully booked with two or three customers a day at a 10% discount for the remainder of the week? The girls that have done this strategy will also tell you that when there is a slight discount, some of the customers will also repeat a few days later if there is still an opening and she is not fully booked, because they never get discounts from the local providers in that city.
Following what you have "seen all the time," how often do you see girls from cities like LA or NYC tour at lower prices than they are charging at home? You seem to think that touring TO places like this justifies a higher rate, so why don't the girls touring FROM these cities charge a lower rate?
I agree. Charging more than their "home" rate can be off-putting. It's even more so if the provider already has a rate significantly higher than the local average. Unless she satisfies a bucket-list desire, I'll stick with my local gals.
When a provider is working from her home base, most of the costs are relatively fixed. Rent, utilities, regular advertising, etc. Once those are covered, the rest of the schedule is mostly about filling time. Touring changes the cost structure because the overhead is immediate and very real. Flights, hotels, meals, transportation, and the time spent traveling all come out of pocket before a single appointment is booked typically. That’s one of the reasons pre-bookings or slightly higher touring rates are common. It offsets the additional cost and the risk of being in a city temporarily.
On the flip side, I can totally understand why some clients look at it and wonder if they’re paying more than someone else somewhere else. That's a fair concern.
One thing that’s often misunderstood though is the idea that touring means a provider won’t put in her best effort because she may never see the client again. In practice, if a provider is visiting the same city a few times a year, those trips often end up being largely supported by returning clients. They've basically developed small groups of regulars in the cities they visit consistently. So logically, one can conclude they're giving their best effort.
At the end of the day it’s really just a business calculation on both sides. One party has to determine if the travel makes sense and the other has to determine if the experience is worth the rate being asked. Different models work for different people. And like I always believe, the market sorts it out one way or another.
I'm meeting a touring lady next week whose rate is actually lower than her home rate. Very odd I'd say but I'm not complaining!
Many women just love travel and that is an equal, or at least a competing component, to money.
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For example, some women love the West Coast, or Florida, say, and would vacation to those locales anyway, so they may view it as a free vacation. They can also walk away with a few bucks to boot so they can charge less than their at home rate which may in turn increase the number of bookings.
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The women in this line of work are not monoliths. Sure, money is a motivating factor but it doesn't always make it the only one, even in p4p, for every single girl. There are other considerations at times.
I've touched upon this in some of my old posts. Here's one:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/market-research-and-more-1002525
"... I also bring up the Q about the goal of any given tour. Some Providers NEED to do much better than break even in order to call it a success. Some are happy if they break even (plus or minus a small amount). Some just love to travel, see new places, visit museums or see the architecture or go whale watching, and if they have an appointment or two it helps to defray their costs, even if they end up spending more than they earn. ..."
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Summary of touring goals:
1. Have fun! Be happy! Maybe not cover all expenses.
2. Have fun! Be happy! Break even, or close to it.
3. Have fun! Be happy! But MUST show a profit; it's a biz; need the money or the trip is a failure.
Many women just love travel and that is an equal, or at least a competing component, to money.
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For example, some women love the West Coast, or Florida, say, and would vacation to those locales anyway, so they may view it as a free vacation. They can also walk away with a few bucks to boot so they can charge less than their at home rate which may in turn increase the number of bookings.
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The women in this line of work are not monoliths. Sure, money is a motivating factor but it doesn't always make it the only one, even in p4p, for every single girl. There are other considerations at times.
By all means have a tour rate. Or book early and get deposits. I hate the paper trail of this but can make it work if the Vmo or other is to a “smith and Jones LLC” rather than a naked lady photo. Just saying.
Anyway best to you!
It forces the gal to not give her all during the sessions. Has to save for the high repeat nature of having to pay for the touring.
I prefer to see local gals or....if there is some gem in another city, ill just fly to them.
Fish. Sea. Plenty.
It doesn't force anything. Why would it???
I see many touring providers and they've all been fantastic every time I see them. One in particular is what I call a "touring machine". She is based in Chicago but is on the road almost all of the time.
A provider’s touring rate should be based on the market rate, not her costs. For example, if a provider can get $500 per hour in Milwaukee, but based on her looks and service she can get $700 an hour in LA, then if she tours to LA she should charge $700 per hour! The decision of whether or not to tour in L A is a different one. If the provider calculates expenses to tour in LA and determines that she needs to charge $1,000 per hour in LA (her market price is $700) to make her desired profit, don’t tour in LA since she won’t get bookings there. If she can get $600 in Chicago and it will be profitable then go there. Ideally she doesn’t have five different rates on tours. So pick a few cities to go to where you can be profitable and charge the same rate. I know providers who charge more than their home rate when they come to LA, and I will pay if I think their rate is fair for the LA market.