I am not speaking if the legal definition of prostitution. I am just talking common sense. I draw no distinction between an escort who advertises on EROS and a girl advertising on a sugar baby site. In both cases, there is a prearranged agreement that in exchange for some type of compensation, the woman will do what the man wants, including have sex. When the compensation ends, so does the arrangement. I think sugar babbies are prostitutes, plain and simple. What do you all think?
label "prostitute," or call girl or escort or hooker or any other term to indicate an arrangement whereby I pay, and they play. However it is expressed. They all prefer to think of me as "helping them" to pay for tuition, relax but not as a boyfriend, "pay the rent, cause its a really tight month," fix their car, make ends meet cause they got fired from their stripper job, make ends meet cause they broke their leg, ankle, arm, hand, foot, or got a kidney stone, sunburn, stomach ache whatever.
I've no issue with how they wish to think of it, but UTR providers or sugarbabies are nice as I relax differently than with escorts. recently I ran into an escort, and she has allowed that it would be nice to get together under such circumstances.... and I agree.
definitions and labels.... why bother, again, I take the more libertarian view, what two (hee hee or more) people do in the privacy of their own home, who cares what it is, as long as both are consenting adults.
On one end, there is the childhood sweethearts who are poor and marry only for love.
On the other is the guy picking up a SW for a five minute blow and go.
In the middle you find SDs, classy providers with exclusive requirements, gold digging gals going after rich businessmen, guys trying to buy a foreign bride, arranged marriages, drunks getting hitch in Las Vegas, and dozens of other arrangements whereby sex and money seem to be interrelated.
I agree that the line is blurry. But, I am talking about a girl who ADVERTISES on a sugar baby site. I see no difference between such a site and EROS. And it is with this scenario that I see no blurring of the line.
and I can tell you that the time spent with a SD, is about 10 times more than I would spend with an escort client. It's simply a different type of arrangement. I know women who will fk a guy twice a week for only 100 bucks...that to me, is not a real SD. In her mind it is, but not in mine because as an escort, I know the amount of money there is to be made in the sex industry. For me, any less than 1200 a month, is not worth my time with the same guy. I may as well just get married lol.
As I posted before, my SD pays bills for me without even telling me at times. I don't "look for money" from him, and we just enjoy the time spent. If he can help with something I need, he just does it without me having to ask. I enjoy cooking him dinner without him having to ask, or drawing a bath for him, letting him do his homework whilst I have other things to do, etc.
The lines get crossed a lot more with a SD, though. That much is certain. Most of these relationships last for at least a year, and sometimes several years. You are literally with that person all the time, so it has to be someone you are not only attracted to, but also someone you get along with. It is not that way with escort clients, because you only see them a few hours at a time. Even if it is an overnight, you may not see them again for a month or so.
LMAO...you have to put in the time. Ask Zangari...he can point you in the right direction, or just google "Sugar Daddy" lol. You have to invest time and MONEY into these things, BEFORE they pay off..that's the kicker. You probably will not get laid on the first, second, or even third date, but at times, you might. That's usually when you run into a hooker posing as a sugar baby, though. Most SBs will not fk you in the first meeting, but a hooker will. I've had several of these so called SDs pay me the first time, and yep...we did it. Here's the funny thing though...they rarely call you back when you do that. Most of these guys do not want a provider...they want a SB who is not so "easy" so to speak ha ha.
I've looked at a couple of these sites. But most the ads look just a bit fishy. Anyway to screen out legit SB's from ripoffs? How about site suggestions?
From my experience, it is a pain in the ass to get your membership canceled when you want to leave. After six freaking emails and no response, I noticed a charge on my credit card. I then had to CALL them, and raise hell. Also, be aware that the site used its own staff to be pretend SDs and SBs. They will message you, so you think you have all these emails you can only see once you pay them. I have had maybe 4 legit inquiries that I actually met in person, and that's over years of bs on those sites. It is easier for the guys than the girls.
I traded my time for his money, dinners, cars, shopping and more. The day I traded sex for all these things, I became an official prostitute. So it depends on what the sugar baby is trading. Some really old men just want eye candy at dinner with their business associates & no sex. That's not a prostitute, IMO.
And WHERE do I find.......the women who will fuck me twice a week for $100?
Posted By: London Rayne
Ask Zangari...he can point you in the right direction
I'm glad LR has so much confidence in me, lol. But an SB who'll fuck twice a week for $100 is probably a girl who I wouldn't fuck for free.
Posted By: simontheman
Do you consider sugar babies prostitutes? I draw no distinction between an escort who advertises on EROS and a girl advertising on a sugar baby site.
Escorts and SBs are both P4P. But their methods are different, and when you oversimplify & make no distinctions, then you distort. if you book an escort for 2 p.m tomorrow and pay her rate, she'll fuck you. With an SB. you typically won't get sex on a first date, as LR mentioned. And the SB may not want to see you for a second date. An SB tends to be more selective based on criteria which varies from SB to SB. If an SB is interested in you, then she'll eventually fuck you within the framework of an 'arrangement', which is typically regular hookups + occasional gifts.
Some girls do both, but their methods & expectations usually shift when in 'escort mode' vs 'SB mode'. And some arrangements are non-sexual, like a Queen-Takes-Pawn arrangement. --z
Same with the SD. They don't want to face reality that they are escorts and clients, so they build in a few extra steps to rationalize it / delude themselves.
Lots of escorts (myself included) offer 'long term arrangements' that are in effect SD/SB arrangements.
Same with the SD. They don't want to face reality that they are escorts and clients, so they build in a few extra steps to rationalize it / delude themselves. Lots of escorts (myself included) offer 'long term arrangements' that are in effect SD/SB arrangements.
Natasha: there's a big difference between an escort vs SB in selection. In 30 years of hobbying, I've never had an escort reject me. In the 6 months I've been in Sugarland, I've had two SBs reject me--e.g., no sex & no interest in seeing me again. There are differences here, and these differences bite. You're not helping these gentlemen who may be interested in playing SD/SB. Listening to you, they'll think they can offer a top-tier SB $300 on that first date & get laid. Unless he looks like George Clooney, that strategy is a disaster.
In regard to rationalizations, I don't care if people call me: 'SD' or 'client' or 'monger'. I want to find the hottest girl available, fuck her, and pay her. I'll adapt to whatever game achieves that end. In my hometown, the hottest girls are on the SD/SB sites, so that's where I play. Just throwing $300 around in P411 land will typically get you everything you want. In Sugarland, that will get you shot down quickly. --z
We are talking about the difference between a woman who would never charge by the hour or even the day, and an escort who has a website up with naked pics, and a rate breakdown. The two often cross over yes, but in many cases they do not. Many SBs would never see the amount of men most providers do, but some will. It just depends on the arrangement.
I also agree that if a SB fks a guy on that very first meeting she has had some experience in the escort world, because that is rate. I've done it, but I am an escort first, and a SB second. I am only a SB when I find someone to work out an arrangement, but I've never found one so lucrative that I would quit escorting at least once a week. For 6k a month, I would pull my site tomorrow, but I bet it's back up in less than a year, because I would get annoyed with just one person being up my ass. SBs, actually PREFER it that way...being with only one man. If I wanted that, I would just get married!
I don't think anyone is debating whether or not a SB is a hooker...yes, they are. We are ONLY debating the different actions and terms that exist in both realms, and there is a huge difference in approach, meetings, money, and sex. That is not really able to be disputed. If a SB is exhibiting tons of escort traits, she is in fact a damn escort or how would she know to ask for x to give y?
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