Do you think that the sex profession should be destigmatized ? This might help providers' faces from being blurred out in their ads. If you feel that it should remain stigmatized, why are you here ?
I mean - like you going to a Pentecostal service and asking if anyone believes in Jesus...
face burring happens when you moving your head back and forth so if you want to stop face bluring you just need her to hold still.
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but blurrinig out their pictures in their ads?? Maybe if it was because their friends & family would not be upset over what they do for a living. Certainly not for your convience in shopping.
30 yrs ago the idea seemed absolutely, totally insane. This will never happen. 15 yrs ago, even with some progress made, I still believed I'd never see it my lifetime. Today, even the square states are falling.
If enough people say it's so....then, it can be so. But people have to say it
That's because gay marriage became a national ballot issue.
Same sex couples still believe in monogamy, the pro-gay movement set the pro-p4p movement back 50+ years.
A rousing success. We're toasting the victory right now
Ideally, it should get people thinking about the whole idea of just allowing people to develop whatever sexual relationships that they want to, with protections for any segments of the population that could be victimized (children and animals, for example.)
But, I guess that is just wishful thinking.
On the other hand, there seems to be more tolerance in the world as a whole for P4P than same sex marriage, so there is some hope.
...he just came off weird and stupid instead.
and it's not my cock. You should try to not be so narrow minded.
On the other hand, there seems to be more tolerance in the world as a whole for P4P than same sex marriage, so there is some hope.
The way I see it is, the government will only allow but so many sexual revolutions in a given period of time, if any. The only way to revolt in a marriage same sex or traditional, is through a divorce. Therefore same sex marriage was hardly a step in the right direction for the American sexual revolution.
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I hold my "opinions" open to the fact they could be wrong. How's that for ignorance?
Show me where my "opinion" or my observation is wrong.
Ignorance can be over come with education on any given subject, but you just can't fix STUPID. lol
and Gay marriage is much more accepted than prostitution in today's society. Lots of gay people are standing up and being counted, hardly anyone admits to being a hooker or a john, and until we do so, the stigma will remain.
I do my part, I have never denied the fact that I am a john to anyone by LE, Can the rest of you say the same? Until we stand up and defend our right in the open, just like the Gay community has, we will remain persecuted and prosecuted for decades to come.
The court system didn't legally recognize samesex couples as legally married. No one in America was going to before a judge for being openly gay.
I will never admit to breaking the law(because I don't)... and you will have to accept that!...
I was born this way.
Just because you don't recall it, doesn't mean it wasn't so.
Go do a bit of research and then get back to me on this.
and remember stupid and ignorant are not mutually exclusive, you appear to be living proof of that. Good thing the ballots for SPOTY have already been cast, or are you campaigning for this year's title?
Punishable by law in the United States of America post 1776.
I don't factor in Military law with Civilian law.
I'll try searching, but I'm certain it will only prove me right.
At one point it was illegal to be gay....Wake up dude...
You are associating having sex with being Gay. I'm of the opinion a person can be Gay and abstinent simultaneously.
Proof in the form of a question...
Aren't Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender people born with those desires?
Therefore they are gay and still virgins until they actually have sex. Thus being Gay and abstinent simultaneously. There was never a federal law against an individual who was openly Gay, while remaining abstinent.
The only way for that statement to be incorrect, would be to say an individual is not official Gay until he/she is a participant in a Gay sex act. Which would be a choice, unless they were an unwilling participant in the Gay sex act, and may not actually be Gay.
... so are Gay people born Gay, or is it a choice
but that's more of a rambling on of sexual innuendo.
Too be fair I did say, "It's never been illegal to be openly gay in the U.S.
Granted most every state in the Nation had laws on the books at one time or another, some states may still have active laws pertaining to the sexual choice of it's citizens [example] anti sodomy laws.
However, I was referring to Federal law about being openly gay. Which according to the below link from Wikipedia(not my favorite source for accurate information). Federal law only pertained to the Military, which I believe only included active duty enlistees? Along with the District of Columbia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States#Federal_law
Until you show me, where it was a crime on the federal level to be openly Gay in the U.S.
I'm going to remain ignorant to the facts, and I will assume I am correct...
I can live with this..
and while it's too late to cast any more votes, it's up to the rules committee who may or not be reading this thread to make any decisions on breaking ties.
It's entirely possible that those hungover members of the rules committee could be swayed by a thread such as this one. I am not saying that they will, only that they MIGHT. I expect the results to be posted before days end.
Well it looks like, at least on the federal level. Anti sodomy laws. Were actually written as anti prostitution laws. Read it, it's in there. Apply that to my original comment, and you'll see my observations regarding HP's comment is correct.
I do stand corrected on my assertion that being openly Gay, was never a proscecutable offense. Here in tne U.S. however the acts were illegal, not the sexual orientation itself.
I'd call this a grey area, left open to interpretation.
This is a prime example why.
I will try again to talk to you in another few months, in the meantime you are TSTTT
but I need to defend my position... and if you weren't so busy disagreeing with me. You would see where we both agreed.
What I'm not to clear on is was being openly Gay classified as a criminal act, or classified as an illegal act?
...it's clear it was a prosecutable act. I ask this, as I would like to know in reference to the "legalization" of prostitution versus the "decriminalization" of prostitution argument.
As we both know "parsing words" is a chickenshit way to have a discussion, usually done by some flaming lefty on the P&R board, I don't have those discussions there, and I won't have one here either.
In regard to where I said that being openly gay was not a prosecutable offense. I stand corrected on that point.
I don't enjoy parsing words as much as the next guy. However most laws are written with the
"parsing words" and we all know I'm not the most grammatically astute poster OTB, I doubt if could even pull off the parsing of words.
The Gay marriage law does not go far enough in regard to the decriminalization of prostitution. The bill should have included provisions for the decriminalization of prostitution.
Which has been my argument all along.
If enough people say it's so....then, it can be so. But people have to say it.
As for what the rest of the world outside the hobby thinks, their problem. So long as we remain cool, and keep our hobby lives within the hobby, we have fun playing the game...
I was speaking from the heart...there is no stigma here with me.
As for what the rest of world thinks, of course there is a stigma. Has been since the beginning of time, and there's little chance of that changing anytime soon. Not worth the effort...just keep playing the game.
If you hobby right, with the right ladies... 
is the best I can say.
BTW, enjoying my final drink of the night...awesome red Bordeaux
"As for what the rest of the world outside the hobby thinks, their problem. So long as we remain cool, and keep our hobby lives within the hobby, we have fun playing the game... "
But even on a second reading it appears you're coming from a place in which you think there is no stigma "here", as in on this board (sadly there is a shit-ton of stigma "here".) And, that as long as everyone stays under the radar, everything will be fine.
I think that position works relatively well for anyone who hires sex workers...for now. Problem is, it's not at all great for sex workers. And, the more deeply the US moves into the sex trafficking hysteria/propaganda, and the closer local municipalities get to solidifying the idea that sex workers are victims and those who hire them are predators, the less 'cool' any of this will be; especially for those who think nothing needs to be said
Where would we be on gay rights today?
As long as the people actually involved in this little "hobby" won't stand up and be counted, nothing will ever be done to move P4P in this country out of the shadows.
I think it's quite selfish for participants in P4P to "stay in the shadows" just like many gay people felt, and I suppose some might still feel that way about other gays who remain closeted and leave the heavy lifting of changing this world for others.
I get why most (if not nearly all) sex workers, and people who hire sex workers are reluctant to speak-up in opposition to local/state/Fed Govt (trying to--and mostly succeeding in) dictating the choices adults make when having consensual sex.
But, the only thing that 'not saying anything' is doing is allowing this absurdity to go on. There's no value in continuing to lump consensual sex workers in with those people who are not participating voluntarily/consensually. The good gets drowned out, and there's no good way to parse out the bad (and there IS bad).
[IMO] If people diverted half the time they already do on stratigizing how to NOT get caught, they could expend that same energy trying to find ways to tell the Govt to fuck-off, and get out of everybody's bedroom.
And, you and I must stop agreeing. It's unseemly. :
I'm afraid it will have to go on the list that includes world peace, curing all diseases, ending poverty, injustice, hate, etc.
But it is always good to strive towards these things lest we slip back into even worse abysses.
First of all because this country is far too Puritanical in its attitudes. But even in places like Costa Rica where it's legal, most girls use a stage name because there's still a certain amount of stigma.
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