Is PAY her.  Don't forget that.

A hot woman talking statistics! No joke. I mean it. Very sensual. I just had a bell-shaped curve discussion with my favorite friend. It led to a serious DFK that went on forever but not nearly long enough, if you know what I mean. Makes me want to bone up on degrees of freedom and consider a plane ticket to Denver.

I would like to take this opportunity to say I don't like humiliation either, but if we get along and know each other well ,and she gets me hot enough, as in erotic heat, anything her heart desires is usually fine by me.
I'm just not putting up with abuse after the heat of the moments are gone.
I Love your way with  words Miss Cole.I would have been much more blunt, but you have shown  the evidence ,you are not a brute like me.
Intelligent ladies are so much more desirable to me than johngaltnh, although I do enjoy his words...
I am sure he will not be offended..
Go well.

Last week, a hot blonde provider got pissed at me for tellin her to wear make-up.  So, she text me - "Kiss My Ass".   I told her that I not only want to kiss her ass .. I want to lick it.  She has a really nice ass. We agreed to have 'make-up sex' and she wants to make hot love to me tomorrow.

My first move is to pull her panties down and munch on her ass ...  but any suggestions that might be a better move?  If she text you 'kiss my ass' and she has such a nice ass .. what are you gonna do? Share you erotic moves involving how to deal with a juicy ass.

... that by seeing her you've just lowered the standards by which other women will treat you (and other men also).  Every time one of you gents doesn't hold a lady accountable (by not seeing her/rebooking/reviewing/etc), it lowers the overall quality of service for everyone. The ladies know they can get away with murder and the guys get the shaft.  That lowers the gents' opinions of ladies in general and that causes the rest of the ladies who are decent human beings to suffer.  ROBS/B&S/crankiness/flakiness/upsellers wouldn't exist if you gents voted with your dollars in a manner befitting a *gentleman*.  Have respect for yourself and the ladies will have no choice but to have respect for you - or go out of business!

There will always be standouts (I, for one, wouldn't dream of being so rude to someone and I'm sure there are other ladies who feel the same way), but like everything in life, there's a bell curve.  Unfortunately, you've just contributed to increasing Q1.

I'm sure this sort of post is common but as I've only recently started following the forums, the shock of the level of acceptance of bad behaviour is still new to me.

I get horny.

I have a ski trip planned in a few months. Maybe we could discuss R2?

She'll get one more chance from me.  She did apologize for the Kiss My Ass remark and for being short on me.  Hence, the make up.  I guess this is when being a regular breeds familiarity.

She's very very very low volume .. she's UTR and only sees me for the day we meet.  
She does not advertise now and has no website.  So there's some perks for seeing her.
 
But this is her last chance and I may move on.  But if she takes me to heaven tomorrow, all's forgiven.

First off, Ms. Cole, I'm in lust. But that's just a statement of reality not germane to the topic. LOL

I think the reason why men too often accept really rotten behavior is similar to the reason why women accept it: they have a low opinion of themselves. They believe they have to accept this sort of behavior, or even (worse) that it is somehow deserved. Sometimes, providers feed into this perception by posting how ugly their clients are, how they fake all their orgasms, how morally inferior hobbyists are and the like. This is a form of psychological warfare intended to prepare men to accept behavior that should be unacceptable.

Thankfully, I have never seen a provider who would treat me in such a fashion.

However, I have certainly seen ladies who have the fortitude to correct me if I am wrong, point out my errors, and so forth. I find women confident enough to do that extra sexy. But that can be done in a fashion that is not insulting. With women with whom I am on good terms, and where we understand each other, some have even called me a dumbass when appropriate and I don't mind. But these are women who would see me doing the same thing as appropriate as well.

But that is a far cry from the behavior described by the O.P. The O.P. should just find another woman with a magnificent rump who treats him with respect, and give her what he would have given the other lady -- plus tip.

One thing even the most entitled of men or women understands is money given a competitor.

A sudden, unprovoked roar of devensiveness, is often the sign of Guilt.

There is no such thing as "make up sex" when it comes to providers. She is your girlfriend by the hour, not in real life.

You are an idiot for continuing to see her with her attitude. I am reasonably certain there are other ladies out there with a nice ass and a much better attitude. Chances are, they are also professional enough not to see you without putting on a little make up too. Crazy I know.

I can't believe I'm about to say what I'm gonna say, I really can't, but here goes anyways - grow some balls man and stop acting like a mangina.

There. Said it. Gonna go barf now.

You don't understand.  She has treated me like a King for 4 months. And she had one slippage.  ONE.
She's having personal problems, and she apologized for that one behavior.  
Human beings make mistakes and she recognized that mistake.
Don't be sad for me, because she's been the best provider for the last 4 months. Maybe much much better than you will ever be to me.  You don't know me and you're already calling me a Humiliation Slut. IMO, you're very rude.   That's much worst than Kiss my Ass. You're insulting and you are actually worst than her.  Have a good day.

At least, she truly apologized for the 'Kiss my ass' remark.  

I'm sure you won't apologize for calling me a "humiliation slut'.

There's the irony.  Unless you don't get offending being called a "slut".

We are dealing with human beings, not robots.

Sometimes human beings simply make mistakes, and those mistakes do not necessarily reflect their best selves. It is human to make mistakes, wonderful to recognize them and make up for them, and entirely appropriate to forgive them in such circumstances.

So please take my comments below as applying to the general case of men accepting chronic misbehavior; and not applicable in your particular case.

FWIW, Ms. Cole is truly a caring and lovely woman; though she's more than capable of demonstrating that herself so I'll leave it there.

Now to answer your question from my experience with one gf who loved having her ass kissed -- though YMMV.

I would start out with her face down on the bed, facing the foot of it, with me standing at her head. Then I'd reach back and scratch her ass with both hands, making sure to catch it well underneath.  From there I would use both hands to rub each cheek in a continuous circular motion, one cheek at a time, and then would switch back to standing at her head, and squeeze her cheeks together and then pull them apart.

Then I would kneel between her legs, and s l o w l y lick each cheek from bottom-center in a diagonal direction to end at her spine while applying an index finger somewhat firmly to her perineum and allowing the thumb to rest gently on her anus and move in a small circular motion around the outer rim. (Wash hands after this before touching any other parts of her.)  And then I would simply go to town licking outward from the (clean) crack area to the outer edges of each cheek while punctuating with kisses, etc.

What I enjoyed doing was having her flip while I washed my hands and then dive into DATY while grabbing and squeezing both butt cheeks from underneath. Made my hands unavailable for other things; but her butt cheeks were an erogenous zone for her so it was cool.

Every woman likes these things done differently; but that's how one of my GFs liked it.

I've never seen so many consecutive 10's before.

You are correct in that I don't understand.  You didn't care to share your 4 month history with this lady but left us to our own musings regarding your history.  If I recall, you did say she was your ATF - but that hardly makes you *her* ATF and we have no idea how it is that she's treated you, other than telling you to kiss her ass.  You've created a vacuum of information and then become upset that I've filled in the blanks incorrectly.  tsk tsk tsk  Hardly fair of you.

I agree, humans make mistakes.  From what I read, this comment came across as more than just a "mistake".  Perhaps I read into it.  If so, that would be my bad.  

As for how I would treat you, that's really for neither one of us to say.  It's not happened, and I gather it's not likely to.  Anything said would be hyperbole and supposition.

For clarification, I did not call you anything.  I asked a question.  If the shoe doesn't fit, don't get upset that it was offered and isn't to your liking.  I have more than a passing interest in power dynamics and hardly find the term "humiliation slut" to be a pejorative.  I've enjoyed my share of Domme interludes and can find a definite degree of satisfaction in meeting a humiliation slut's needs (or a pain slut, or most other particular kinks you may name).  I've also been on the "slut" side of the equation and to your other post's question - I do not find being called a "slut" to be a negative thing.  I also don't happen to find being called a whore, ho, cumslut, cumdumpster, three hole whore, ect to be offensive.  In the proper context, they're as affirming as "love" verbage.

I realize I'm a bit different than a lot of people in regards to my openness and acceptance of kink and non-PC language. It wasn't my intent to insult you.... and it appears you've misunderstood my intent as well as having misread the words I typed.  It simply occurred to me that perhaps you enjoy being treated poorly.  It's not too far a stretch given the information you've posted about your relationship with this lady in recent days.  And if it were the case that you and she had this particular power dynamic - god bless you and enjoy the hell out of it!  Pretty simple, really.

I'm sad you think me rude.  I do have my moments, being human and all, but this wasn't one of them.

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as a method of linear regression ordinary least squares (OLS) is the plain vanilla technique. there are more exotic options for fitting curves to gether, er, to data.

and while least squares don't throw me, they don't make my heart beat quicker: fiber bundles consisting of Hilbert space tangent to Riemannian base manifolds quicken m pulse. that's where my heart is.

i just do least squares for the money....

Well, you could have asked me about the history of this and I could graciously clarified, because I already posted the Kiss My Ass story a couple of days ago.  At any rate, I don't need to put any history in this thread, because what I was asking was "what I'm going to her ass tomorrow".  I was not asking for any opinion about her Kiss Ass comment - that was the subject in another thread.  In short, I'm only interested in Ass pleasuring techniques, ok  It's a linear regression, not a log regression.  And there's no need to test for heteroskedasticity or standard deviation.

Posted By: EdrienneCole

You are correct in that I don't understand.  You didn't care to share your 4 month history with this lady but left us to our own musings regarding your history.  If I recall, you did say she was your ATF - but that hardly makes you *her* ATF and we have no idea how it is that she's treated you, other than telling you to kiss her ass.  You've created a vacuum of information and then become upset that I've filled in the blanks incorrectly.  tsk tsk tsk  Hardly fair of you.

I agree, humans make mistakes.  From what I read, this comment came across as more than just a "mistake".  Perhaps I read into it.  If so, that would be my bad.  

As for how I would treat you, that's really for neither one of us to say.  It's not happened, and I gather it's not likely to.  Anything said would be hyperbole and supposition.

For clarification, I did not call you anything.  I asked a question.  If the shoe doesn't fit, don't get upset that it was offered and isn't to your liking.  I have more than a passing interest in power dynamics and hardly find the term "humiliation slut" to be a pejorative.  I've enjoyed my share of Domme interludes and can find a definite degree of satisfaction in meeting a humiliation slut's needs (or a pain slut, or most other particular kinks you may name).  I've also been on the "slut" side of the equation and to your other post's question - I do not find being called a "slut" to be a negative thing.  I also don't happen to find being called a whore, ho, cumslut, cumdumpster, three hole whore, ect to be offensive.  In the proper context, they're as affirming as "love" verbage.

I realize I'm a bit different than a lot of people in regards to my openness and acceptance of kink and non-PC language. It wasn't my intent to insult you.... and it appears you've misunderstood my intent as well as having misread the words I typed.  It simply occurred to me that perhaps you enjoy being treated poorly.  It's not too far a stretch given the information you've posted about your relationship with this lady in recent days.  And if it were the case that you and she had this particular power dynamic - god bless you and enjoy the hell out of it!  Pretty simple, really.

I'm sad you think me rude.  I do have my moments, being human and all, but this wasn't one of them.

Oh yeah, if you don't find the term slut derogatory, then I won't find you calling me a slut rude or offensive - seeing that those are not offensive to you.  

So let me return the favor - "you're a slut whore who I want to fuck the bejeezz of till all your three holes oozz with my cum and you gag with my cum LOL ".   Thanks for letting me say that without being offended.  And if you like the sluty thing, I don't mind keeping the the verbage it again

And lastly, if you're as open-minded as I am, you shouldn't say that anything between us won't likely happen in the future, because I don't hold grudges.  Sure why not - I'll call you for your services, if you're as good as you say you are.

I've been aware of her forever.

OOPs I meant to say....

A sudden, unprovoked roar of defensiveness, is usually the sign of Guilt.

Resentment is often the sign of Resemblance.

I'll munch on your ass too .. I'm an Ass-Man, you know.  And my balls are gonna grow big if you lick em and rub them on your ass

BBFS-CIP  ... heavenly O.  Plus Ass Munchin without mercy.


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Awesome gal; well worth meeting her.

If the final post below indicating BBFS is true I don't want you kiss my ass. I don't want you to touch my ass. I want you to keep your nasty ass far, far, far away from me.

So she shows up without make up. Then tells you off in a text. Then puts teh icing on teh cake by going bare. And she is your ATF why? You two sound like a match made in heaven. *shudder*

Are you nuts? You really don't like yourself, do you? That is so risky stuff, BBFS/CIP is the second most dangerous sex there is and to do it with someone who will do that with anyone, you are asking for an STD. Its your life but man, you sure like to gamble.

I got my wish .. she gave me what no one will [alias flipped by Admin]
Posted by cutehunkie, 8/25/2010 7:53:34 PM
BBFS-CIP  ... heavenly O.  Plus Ass Munchin without mercy.


 Oh Wow!!..I reckon the ladies  won't think you are so hot and keep banging on your door now!!!!..eh...cutie. Thats a mighty deep hole you fell in..

Moral of the story..Never be rude to a lady or your neighbors , and always follow the safety protocol of your community.
If you wanted a reaction, I doubt very seriously, you will receive  the action you bargained for.

Who knows? Perhaps it will last a lifetime!

By giving and receiving BBFS-CIP you put all of the other ladies that see you at risk. You and your ATF whore just increased both of yours risk of an STD by a great deal. Then if you get an STD and see anther lady her risk jumps up even if it is covered. Condoms are not 100% fail proof even if they do not break but if every one uses them and get tested often the risk is small. People like you increase the risk to us all because of your unsafe acts. I test every month and I do not engage in uncovered full service and that is risky enough. We all must avoid extremely risky behaviors. Some STD are not curable and can be deadly like HIV/AIDS.That is not even talking about the whole pregnancy issue. Not only are you insane, you and your ATF are a menace to the whole hobbying community. How stupid can you be? I hope for your sake and for the sake of every lady that you see that you get your self tested and then get out of the hobby. You are one worse kinds of people careless and stupid. If you can't play safe don't play at all. Your choices affect more than just you. I hope this post wakes you up, but I know better. You are just too stupid to think, I guess judging by your actions. I hope every provider learns who you are and puts you on there DNS list for life. Get tested and have a nice day you moron.




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I hope I am far enough away from The Carolinas to not be concerned with your haphazard way of hobbying. It is people like you who scare both hobbyists and providers away from the communities they play in. This is nothing to joke about. Speaking of jokes, please do not come back on her Cutehunkie and tell everyone you were only kidding now... It's too late.

By the moderator flipping your alias you have just burnt one serious bridge behind you. People do not forget this shit. For your sake and the sake of all the ladies you have seen I hope you all get tested. Regardless of that, the bridge is burnt down.

"I have also refused sex with women I felt were too drunk to give valid consent, etc. And I'll admit that I have pissed some women off that way. But I have never regretted it"

Kudos to you Johngaltnh... I have also turned down ladies for evident drunkedness, when I had never had sex with them before. A couple times it was the Babe of the club ,and she became very angry when I said No.One of them took a swing at me when I continued to refuse. There is not a more angry woman to be found,than a drunken beauty, who is turned down.Most often when that happened, she would never give me another chance once she sobered up.One time I told a lady about her drunken advances the next day and she said "No Way I didn't do that, I'm not even attracted to you"  I have had guys mock me for saying NO when it was plain for all to see,what she had in mind for me, and I continued to refuse her advances, because she was drunk. I might lose my Pride sometime and do things I wish I later wish I hadn't ,but NO WAY will I LOSE MY  HONOR and prey on the drunk, weak or defenseless.
Now if she's had a couple drinks but still aware of her surroundings, and her standards are merely lowered, I'm usually game.

CIP....Cum in Pussy.
Even with monogomous civvies in the past on birth control pills,I wasn't into CIP unless she was paying me to get her pregnant.
CIP adds flavors the next day that are not as desirable as fresh IMO .Its not the same taste as a fresh snowball.
Repetitive douching to wash out sperm is not a health benefit for ladies.

johngaltnh Might be long winded quite often, however he is  always a good read IMO.. I would buy his books anyday, especially compared to many of the dumbed down choices, we have available on the best sellers lists.

Being a bit naive, I have no idea what "CIP" is, but I DO understand "BBFS."

I'm not sure if you understood my earlier comment that the "treat" might "last a lifetime." I was, of course, referring to DISEASE.

Though I doubt you'll do it, you should order a copy of "Plague Time: The New Germ Theory of Disease." It is written by a biology professor with extensive knowledge of microbiology. It is written for the layperson.

In this book, among other things, he lays out in excruciating detail the linkage between virulence and transmission odds in pathogens; and demonstrates quite conclusively that the STDs contracted in a "high promiscuity environment" are more virulent -- sometimes dramatically more virulent -- than their equivalents in lower promiscuity environments.

Just so you know, "promiscuity" means six or more sex partners in a year.

Go find Love Goddess's study on ter-listed providers who responded to her questionaire. Do you know how many sex partners they had on average? OVER 860, with over 100 new partners annually. Do you suppose that constitutes a high promiscuity environment? And do you think you might have had more than 6 partners in the past year too?

You know, and I realize I might be unusual for a man, but I have quite literally aborted sex right in the "heat of the moment" due to concerns about disease and pregnancy. I have also refused sex with women I felt were too drunk to give valid consent, etc. And I'll admit that I have pissed some women off that way. But I have never regretted it.

I'm not superhuman. Anything I can do .... YOU can do. It's called a brain, and even a Cute Hunk should have one between his ears.

You have a responsibility to yourself, any family you may have, and to the providers you see NOT to expose them to inordinate or unexpected risks of disease. You had every right to refuse BBFS and most assuredly you had a responsibility to do so.

The risks associated with what you did are ridiculous. Just look at the numbers.

Honest to goodness, and I am not joking, there are hobbyists who have contracted illnesses -- thankfully curable -- from totally covered BJ and FS! Just imagine what the risks are like, uncovered, with someone for whom you are the 140th sex partner in the past 12 months and has also undoubtedly given this ... uh ... "service" ... to others. And realize that in a high promiscuity environment, whatever is contracted will likely be MORE virulent, more serious, more deadly and harder to cure (if curable at all) than would otherwise be the case.

You might be a cute hunk, but you are at best a brain-dead idiot and at worst a sociopath.

A beautiful woman by definition does not need more than moisturizer on her skin.

He could have been referring to his wife. He would not expect her to have an STD or sleep around.

Much, much later. lol

His bridge is not only burnt, he blew it the fuck up. lmao

He never had much credibility to begin with, and what little he had is now gone.

The bar has been set rather low around here as far as posting like a "mature adult", I will freely admit to acting immature on ocassion. (ok lots of ocassions. lol), but he has managed to set a new low in stupid things to say on a public board. I really hope he takes my advice and goes on a long vacation from TER, but I doubt that he is that smart. This thread should be proof of that.

Geez I didn't know this post has gone wild! You guys can't take a joke.  

For an Assman like myself, BBFS-CIP means

Big Butt For Sucking - Caught in Paradise

I sucked on those ass and my tongue got caught in paradise.

You've taken this out of context - let's get back to the subject of what "Kiss My Ass" Heaven is.
It's all about suckin and kissin big butts!

Quad,
Wow there are some decent men out there. Both you and Johngaltnh are in that category for all the reasons above. Pity you type of men are so few and far between.

And the CIP thing...never let that happen and never will. Don't know why but the thought just sicks me out as well as the nasty aftermath..smell/taste and discharge and you are right about the douching...does nothing but fuck up the pH. I have no longing to get pregnant so there is no reason for it to happen. Just my personal preference and no slam against those that do or those that want to.