I think I need to do an STI test after reading this.
You’re the reason we protect ourselves!
Bareback sex is really common these days.
Especially with PrEP and Doxypep available.
I rarely have used a condom fof years.
I rarely have been turned down for bbfs.
Tbh, most women prefer bbfs.
Condoms/lube cause stinky pussies.
So why do some escorts act crazy of a guy requests bbfs?
We all know they ard all doing it. Denying it just looks bad.
Is it just like Fight Club? Don't talk about it?
That is why I like this website. Men ate honest about bare services.
Just a day ago, one of the awesome providers who is still willing to deal with the occasional craziness on this board reminded us of what civil discourse might look like. I want to share my appreciation for showing us all what an ugly, misanthropic and misogynistic discourse looks like, just so we can compare. Good job.
I feel you're uneducated because it's not going to save you from getting STD's.
Many people are doing it, but advertising it is different. I would not recommend BBFS. If you know the ramifications why? Especially here in this community doxy and prep are not the cure all. Do your research. You're still playing a serious game of chance. If you have not contracted anything yet consider yourself lucky. Live and learn. Herpes is not protected by doxy or prep. Bacterial infections are a serious thing that is also spread by both men and females.
OP gets on here every so often to preach the evangel of BBFS. As others have pointed out, he will insert mention of BBFS in a discussion about the weather. He and a couple of his acolytes have an impenetrable immunity to any other point of view and/or questions of health and safety. I won't try to tell him what to do with his life (or providers what to do with theirs), but I sincerely hope I never meet any provider he's been with.
I checked his reviews and yours. It's pretty clear you have better taste. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Bacterial infections is what the doxy is for
If youve been the recipient of one i highly recommend doxy.
Many ladies, not all but many will offer it or slip it in without
being asked.
Regardless of price point or protests against the raw dog
It's already been thoroughly discussed, if you just read through the past threads. There's nothing new.
This post is seriously inaccurate, misleading, offensive, disrespectful and inflammatory. I give it no further attention.
Dear kind sir please exit right before the stage falls on you please.
Here is a chat gpt explanation on “stinky pussy”. Now if you want to take risks that is on you. But just like speeding in a vehicle many people do it but it does not undermine the consequences of it.
If you’re noticing a strong or unusual vaginal odor, it’s usually a sign that something in the vaginal environment is off balance—not something “dirty” or abnormal about your body itself.
Here are the most common causes:
1. Bacterial imbalance (very common)
* Often due to bacterial vaginosis (BV)
* Typically smells fishy, especially after sex
* Happens when “good” and “bad” bacteria get out of balance
2. Yeast infection
* Usually causes itching, irritation, and thick discharge
* Odor is typically mild or bread-like, not strongly foul
3. Poor hygiene or trapped moisture
* Sweat, tight clothing, or not changing underwear can lead to odor
* Usually improves with regular washing (just water or mild soap externally)
4. Menstruation or hormonal changes
* Blood has a natural smell that can mix with vaginal bacteria
* Hormones can shift the vaginal pH
5. Sex-related factors
* Semen can temporarily change vaginal pH
* Can lead to a different smell for a day or two
6. Sexually transmitted infections (STIs)
* Some (like trichomoniasis) can cause strong, unpleasant odor + discharge
7. Forgotten tampon or foreign object (important to rule out)
* Can cause a very strong, foul odor
* Needs prompt removal and possibly medical care
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What’s normal vs. not
* A mild, musky scent = normal
* Strong fishy, rotten, or very unpleasant smell = worth checking out
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What to do
* Avoid douching (it makes things worse)
* Wear breathable cotton underwear
* Keep the area dry
* See a healthcare provider if:
* The smell is strong or persistent
* There’s unusual discharge, itching, burning, or pain
Most causes are very treatable, especially things like BV or yeast infections.
4th day, it becomes unbearable to anyone in the same room.
Back in the old high school locker room I heard:
If it smells like Fish, that means syphilis.
If it smells like a burnt tire, that means gonorrhea.
IRL, i recommend using more advanced diagnostic criteria.
Stay safe out there!
You are playing with fire asking for BBFS.
If I see a girls ad offering it thats an ad I do not call no matter what.
Life is too short, no reason to risk cutting your time even more or getting some baggage you can never get rid of.
Why are they telling you that you can’t use a condom?
You ask, Why do Escorts get upset about men requesting Bbfs?
Then you wrote, "I rarely have been turned down for bbfs", and "Tbh, most women prefer bbfs"
You're getting what you want but still asking as if you're not? What am I missing?
Seems like you're all over the map here chief.
Diarrhea of the mouth.
How exactly do these providers "act crazy"? Do they yell and scream? Summon dark forces? Threaten to toss you into the Bog of Eternal Stench (thus condemning you to permanently reek of condoms and lube)? Or is it more like a 'Walking Dead' thing, where they try to feed on your living flesh? Stay safe from these rabid escort-turned-killers.
as the man said after he jumped off the building and passed the 6th floor ..........so far so good !
and its certainly a providers choice, its her health at risk and sadly its much easier for ladies to catch something than men.
so many STDs are asymptomatic ... i have tested a number of ladies over the years .. some pros some civilians and half had STDs they were genuinely not aware of. most common was trichomonas and several HSV-2 ( gen herpes) its estimated that 25% with gen herpes are not aware and asymptomatic
so sure take your chances but sooner or later its a mathematical certainty
PS i am guilty of BBFS more often than i should admit but i don't fool myself about the hazards. and certainly accept and respect at lady who stays careful.
…i get called a troll because i choose to post my reviews on my alias but this guy is literally shaming providers for not wanting to gamble with their sexual health…
where is the justice, ter?????
I think that a lot of gals won't do BBFS on the first encounter----but if things go well--you are clean - on time-pay willingly and as instructed and develop a rapport that BBFS will happen---Have had this happen numerous times over the years---one gal in particular that I used to see (she has passed away from a (non -sexual related issue) as an example was fine with it when i asked for BBFS the first time on our third encounter---she only asked that I not cum inside her----I of course agreed and pulled out as requested----she was married and I didn't get the idea that it was a birth control matter but that she didn't want her husband to know she had taken a load....and what a load it was !!! Subsequently i never bring it up on any first encounter----you have to kinda gauge the situation---there are some girls that you know better for your own protection !
thats pretty big of her to trust you to pull out at the right moment….
I think I need to do an STI test after reading this.
You’re the reason we protect ourselves!
This was my reaction reading this 😂
This post is wild af.
So many provide bbfs.
That’s my experience. But hey people can keep their head in the sand and pretend it doesn’t.
Maybe in your experience - not in mine. It's never been offered and I've never asked for it.
His reviews include 4 TS providers, a porn star, and a provider who advertises BBFS. That’s 6 of the 9. It does tend to be more common among TS providers. Many advertise they are on prep. So it’s not surprising he thinks this way. But it’s certainly not reflective of everyone’s experience.
She’s the one who advertises BBFS. I wasn’t aware that she’s a porn star.
For someone that needs an alias to hide behind their alias, you sure give up everyone elses info with the quickness. Theres a word for that, but ill keep it to myself so you dont spaz.
What a piece of work you are though. Wow.
There are a few reasons.
1st is the stigma behind it. Many of us grew up right before, or during, the hiv scare of the 80s. Some of us were programmed to have to wear a condom. Going against what has been programmed into you can be difficult, especially if you are not up to date on the new medicines.
2nd is shame. The folks on here like to push the shame. One has to be very brave to get around this. Personally, i am unapologetic about the subject. The future of fucking will be raw, while showing proof of std status and showing proof of being on anti hiv meds. Those who confidently share their sexual journeys – good and bad- are the change makers. They enable and inspire others the freedom to explore, and they shed light on areas of our sexuality which so often go misunderstood and clouded by shame.
3rd. The ladies know that this is what quite a few mongers are looking for now and simply dont want to provide bare services. Which is totally up to them and completely fine if they dont. But, they know the more this type of fucking is being sought after, the less valuable their services become. You can see the desperation kicking in now with some as the demand for covered services fades quickly. The sex trade is going through a game changing transition right now and many are simply scared their way will get left behind. Many are set in their ways and fear change. Which is why you get the provider push back on here. However, most of these gals are older and fading out. The new generation of woman that are taking their place are more in tune with where the business is going.
What you don’t understand and that’s OK because you’re not a woman, is STDs is not the only concern with BBFS. A woman’s vaginal ph is extremely sensitive. Doing bbfs with multiple people will have you visiting your doctor every week for a yeast infection and bv & it can throw your vaginal PH off. Each man can also affect it differently. That isn’t enjoyable to anyone. Good luck to those working that way.
Thank you for your respectful response. I can see some truth in what you said. I was raised in the condom era, and it’s stuck with me. I’ve never known anything else, and I have no desire to change now. I’ll leave being on the front lines of the next pandemic to the next generation.
For this old gal, staying disease-free all these years has worked just fine, and safe sex has served me well. I’m confident I can still find plenty of guys who are willing to play it safe with a condom—especially the married ones who can’t afford to bring anything home to their wives.
I also believe PrEP only protects against HIV. There are nearly 30 other STDs that barriers protect against far better than any inoculation.
Thirty years ago, I was married for a short time and that was my only experience going without protection. I was dealing with BV and yeast infections almost every month. No thank you. I honestly think my pussy is allergic to sperm.
I hope for your sake that you’re at least only going bare with post-menopausal women—unless you like being called Daddy. Either way, it seems like there’s a lot of trust being placed on both sides.
Agreed with Heather. Condoms are second nature, keep things clean and tidy and have served me well over the years.
Additionally I have no interest in consuming drugs with potential side effects to skip condoms. There is simply no upside for me. In fact, personally I feel that promoting drugs as a way to engage in risky sexual activities is irresponsible.
One of those trusty condoms rip or slip and there is plenty of upside.
You know what i think is irresponsible? Ignoring the fact that these meds are mircales and keeping an ignorant stance towards their use.
And thank you for your respectful reply.
I too was brought up in the condom era. For many years felt it was russian roulette to fuck, civvie or pro, without one.
If i had a civvie lady hanging out for awhile, sometimes the condoms would just dissappear after a month or so. Sometimes we would both go get tested together and wait for the results before going that route. Kind of came down to how cool the gal was and how good the sex was.
For decades i wouldnt participate in the hobby without a condom for fs. Thought it was russian roulette but with far more bullets in the wheel. Every now and then a porn star or higher end gal would tell me casually it would be ok to bareback them. I passed. I was surprised though, that this was offered. And i knew if it was offered to me it was offered to others. And i highly doubted others had the same restraint as i did in the moment. I also had the same experience with some higher end ts escorts, which really shook me at the time. I actually made some posts about this maybe mid 2000s on this site. Felt there was alot of bb going on under the radar and i felt it would be best if we were at least aware of that. I got quite a bit of pushback on here, surprisingly.
Decade + goes by. Meds come out that initially im skeptical of, but the results speak for themselves. The testing now is fairly rapid results compared to 20 years ago. So while there is still some risk, its not what it was before. I feel i can manage this if navigated properly. I dont go raw every session. Its planned out beforehand. I generally exchange test results with the other person or people and we go from there.
I occasionally put up posts just to stir the pot and get conversations going....... But I would like to nominate this original post of this thread as the stupidest and most ignorant of the year. 
seriously asking why women get upset? If you might endanger their health?
For
Best post on this topic. I nominate the fight club one .... for obvious reasons about unspoken reality .
Why do sugar daddies get upset when I ask for Chanel? :,0
If one catches herpes from bbfs they are 3 times more likely to get hiv. If they have hiv they are 3 times more likely to come down with pancreatic cancer, which most likely results in death.
Most people in L.A. have hsv1, what in the flying fuck are you going on about.
That guy is a well-known conspiracy theorist looney toon. He's also known as Chicken Little.
Keep up.
It's hsv2 that is the culprit. Hsv1 Oral HSV-1 has a weaker or less clear association with HIV transmission.
I can certainly understand why----on a first encounter-----that the gal would say no.....and the asker should keep that in mind---now should you become a "Regular"....and things are going well......she may actually suggest that it is okay to do BBFS.....But---it is certainly her call---if you can't figure it out....go elsewhere.....!
Yes, just like fight club. Honestly the only ones who get upset when asked are simply putting on an act as if they are above such a disposable service.... which of course is just hilarious given what they're already doing. If I ever had a date get upset over a question I would certainly out them on TER for being horrible and disrespectful.
I had one highly scored provider specifically tell me not to put it in reviews. There were certain clients she would not do it with. Ones who would see TS and she preferred they were married if she did. Her logic 🤷♂️ Since I don’t review it wasn’t an issue. One comment she said to me was “ your health is your responsibility “ of course it wasn’t hers 😉
Her health, her choice. Get over yourselves when it's not on the menu and you are the ones bringing it up.
To be fair, his question is not mutually exclusive to her body her choice.
It was the question of why some providers get really mad at the question.
To give an example, if I don't eat pork I probably will not get mad if someone suggests pork to me, I'll just tell them I don't do it. It's kinda like a question about Greek as a service. But only specifically bbfs seems to elicitthis form of reaction.
I don't necessarily agree with the rest of his post, but imo that question is valid.
I do see a difference here, and this boils down to one’s viewpoint on BBFS. Some feel strongly it’s unsafe. Unsafe sex leads to diseases. I understand there are advancements in medicine that has created divide. But it doesn’t change the fact that not everyone feels medical advancements make it safe. So when asked, they find it offensive.
It reminds me of how I react to bad driving. I witness people do stupid shit all the time. In most cases, I shrug or laugh it off. But when it’s in a car it irritates me because stupid shit in cars lead to accidents. People’s lives are on the line. Bad drivers have a way of making me mad whereas dumb shit when it’s not behind a wheel bothers me much less.
But a lot of things in this biz are unsafe. It's just the degree of unsafeness here that is varied.
Services like bbbj can lead to a disease too but no one is reacting like that at asking if they do a bbbj. They just say yes or no and that's that.
My guess is providers get upset because they view bbfs as beneath them and act like even asking about will attach a certain amount of a label to their name. It really won't. But with more and more providers offering bbfs and more demand for it, more clients are gonna ask for it... So they shouldnt act mad imo. If you don't serve animal style fries that's fine with me but getting upset at a customer inquiry about service...is not ideal imo.
I’m not disagreeing with lots of things being unsafe. There is always an element of risk having sex, and that risk increases with volume, no matter what protections you use. I’m also not justifying someone getting mad. But I can understand why some do. Sure, for some they may feel it’s beneath them. It does carry that stigma. But even that has a reason. And it goes back to it feels unsafe. And unsafe is relative. Most people don’t see BBBJ and BBFS as equally unsafe.
Rocket, I could give you an answer to this. But the answer I would give you would relate to many providers’ feelings of physical integrity, respect, identity, perceived existential risk, and contagion/contamination fears. I think you’d likely respond by pointing out that none of those things are *rational.* You have a tendency to argue that people *shouldn’t* be a particular way because it’s not logical - you ask, why do people feel like XYZ, and then when it’s explained, you respond with, “but that’s not rational.” Human feelings often aren’t, and it certainly is no use to shoot the proverbial messenger.
Okay.
I will oversimplify only slightly and say that many providers equate unprotected intercourse with HIV and HIV with death, so at some level, someone asking for unprotected FS can feel to them like, “I want you to agree to maximize my own physical pleasure and I don’t care if you die from it.”
It’s really not possible to “debate” that feeling because it’s a visceral reaction to a perceived existential threat. I’m simply providing it as an explanation for why the question upsets people so much.
Let me add that there is a distinct possibility that whether she does or not do it she may hear “ I know you have done it will you be doing it with me.”
She may also want to know where the idea she did came from as it is still more then a little touchy.
The best one I’ve seen all year. Good points.
I sometimes find myself wanting to ask “do you ever do BBFS?”
The ONLY reason I want to ask that is to inform my decision re: to DATY or not to DATY. For that is the real question!
Problem is, if I tell her why I’m asking before I ask, she’ll know what I want to hear which may impact the level of honesty in her response. If I just ask, even politely, she might knock my head off before I can explain why I want to know lol.
Thank you for bringing your insight into this topic.
Thank you so much!
I absolutely live for DATY, so I also read reviews to learn whether a lady does BBFS so that--if she does--I can put her in the No Fly Zone. Her body, her rules (and risks), but I won't visit any lady who has a single BBFS review.
I hear you my friend, and we are the same!
I truly love DATY. Once in a while, when everything is just right, DATY can be meditative and I’m shocked to see over 90 minutes have gone by. I’ve been spending quite a bit of time over on the kinky side of things, my play partner for that knows that the cruelest thing she can do to me is deny me DATY.
Like you, I have no desire to do so with a provider who BBFS with clients. And I do look for it in the reviews. The thing is, I believe it happens a lot more than it gets talked about. So not finding it in the reviews doesn’t exactly prove anything. I also know there are guys out there who, if a provider pisses them off somehow, they don’t trash her with a crappy review they know nobody will believe. They write a glowing review and say she did stuff she never would. (Often her refusal was what angered them in the first place) So a BBFS review isn’t always proof either.
I do look for it in the reviews and I weigh what I find there. Heavily. Just with a grain of salt. All I can do is look for the best odds lol.
Sidebar to say I hope I don’t sound judgy about BBFS. I get it. It feels better. And a lot of guys really struggle with the sensation loss from the cover. I’m not going to pretend I haven’t done it a couple times. But it was quite a long time ago. I am thankful that I was lucky enough to come away from it unharmed and I just don’t want to take the risk anymore.
You're right--just because it's not showing up in reviews doesn't mean it's never happening. I'm just gathering what evidence I can to make the best decision I can. The rest I leave to fortune.
Yes exactly. You get what I’m saying. That’s what I meant by “All I can do is look for the best odds”
I know not finding evidence of it doesn’t prove anything, but it’s a green flag. And the more reviews she has with no mention of it, the better the odds. All the more so if there’s reviewers in the mix I’ve come to trust because we’ve had similar impressions of several of the same women.
Best decision possible and then it’s in the hands of fortune, I couldn’t have said it better.
First let me say this. I think you shouldn't worry about what people respond with until they actually do. Assuming I was about to label what you said is irrational and hence invalid...idk about that. Despite my reputation or whatnot, I think you'd be surprised in how accepting I am with irrational answers that have irrational reasons. Lol.
I do get your answer. And irrational reasons are still reasons.
Heck, one can argue anything altruistic and acting not in self interest is irrational too.
So thank you for a real answer and real reason.
Because those type of men are dirty and they are cheap requesting a service that costs thousands that they can not afford nor would be willing to pay. Base $500 an he is NOT worth the headache of getting a BV or a UTI and then having to take a week off. So it is best to just block them as soon as they ask and blocklist them to save other providers a headache.