Am I the only one who thinks this is FUBAR?
This poor girl claims to be 5 months pregnant and still going strong in the hobby. I hate to say it, but this has to be bad for both mother and baby. I know sex while pregnant is OK, but providing is quite different.
Old-fashioned hangup? Why bad for both? As you say, sex while pregnant is OK. If the mother-to-be is happy with what she is doing, and insuring that she can support her new child, then why not? And there is a glow about a pregnant woman that is unique.
The first issue to me is: OBVIOUSLY at some point, she has had sex without a condom! (unless she shot herself full of jizz with a turkey baster!)
I realize that providers can have any type of S.O. arrangement, must as hobbiests can, and perhaps some actually do "family planning" with a husband/boyfriend/lez-partner and this new bundle of joy she is bringing into the world is of willful intent.... But seriously, what are the chances??
In reality (not the P/C bullshit world that some on this board live in)It's usually some situation of less "pure" intent and a caraless mistake in life... and sad to say, the LEAST damaging part of that childs life will be the risks it is exposed to while the mother continues to grind one orgasm after another out of strangers for less and less money right throught the 9th month! The depression, the alcohol, the finacial instability, and exposure to the low-end customers that come to scoop up the bargain pussy in the weeks and months to follow the birth while her stomach is all stretched out and wrinkled, and before she loses the baby-fat, and re-tones herself from all the flab that occurred during the "down time" in the third trimester....
I think it's sad how the "spin" for pregnant-providing on this board in the past has always tried to twist our thinking to believe that ladies doing this are doing it as a well thought out life choice, and what a great and rare treat it is to be with woman during that time.... I doubt it happens like that very often!
And in my opinion, it's as revolting as child porn or insest!
to me anyway. But I don't know her story.
I always hate finding out that a provider is having a hard time making ends meet or paying for her kid's operation or whatever. It just feels bad.
I'm a guy that likes to see independent providers who are in this hobby because they love it and have their lives figured out and I value their companionship as well as anything else that may occur between consenting friends. And the only extras I ask for are untranslated French and light kissing without tongue.
And some people think I'm the weird one!
As a mother of 4 and a provider I would sooner eat in a soup kitchen and sleep in a shelter than risk my unborn childs health and safety .It is child abuse in my opinion...there are other ways to make a living...Mickey D's is always hiring...
While I agree that continuing to provide while pregnant is risky on many levels......I have to say your description of pregnancy leaves one feeling horrified at such nightmarish destruction heaped upon a woman's body! Heavens to betsy!
...at least have the guts to do it without hiding behind an alias. Strong opinions like yours are worthless if you can't stand behind them.
The P/C element that I am refering to is that it's never ok to tell a provider she is WRONG on this board! P/C is also notoriously based on mood-ethics! Whereas there are never any absolutes, and you cannot speak against someone if it causes them to "feel bad"... Well, FUCK YOUR FEELINGS AND HERS TOO!! I think you're as sick as a child molester for wanting to engage in this deviant practice!
Is there nothing sacred anymore?? Can't a baby even be brought into this world without some sick bastard wanting to grind out a nut in the mom while it's being formed in the womb?!
If you're such a perv that the only way you can pop your rocks is in a woman with a big belly, then find yourself a BBW and pretend she's that big because she's knocked up!
Aka: "Dirty Jesus"
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First off, I have no desire to see any pregnant providers. But I don't think it's perverse, like you do. Your opinions are not worthless as they're originally stated. If you read carefully, I stated that your opinions were strong (again, not necessarily agreeing with them), but had been RENDERED "worthless" due to the cowardly stance of hiding behind an alias (which I should point out that you're still doing). However had you originally posted it under NO alias, I would've let it slide. The fact that you're trying to use "Ben Dover's" handle just proves how chicken shit you are. I've never been much for P/C, and I actually agree with you about "the P/C element" that you're referring to. Those that know me (and those that've read what I've posted) know that "I call it like I see it", and I don't use aliases to hide behind.
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I like the alias approach! In part, I enjoy them as "alter-egos", allowing me to take positions for the sake of argument that I wouldn't nessessarly want attributed to me... Allowing me to "test-pilot" different ideas without being held accountable.... But that wasn't the case here.
Sometimes I like to flaunt a new alias for it's creativity an humorous appeal, but I usually sign those posts since I want credit for being witty... Again, not the case in this thread...
Then there's the "conduct unbecoming a moderator issue"... And this is a delicate one to balance. Under my real username, I am an agent of TER, and thus cannot take things as far as I personally want to without it reflecting poorly on TER, but with an alias, I can indulge my dark side, and not pull TER into the swill that I often like to wollow in.... That would be the case in this thread... Maybe a disclaimer would suit the situation better in the futue... "The opinions and views expressed by this alias do not nessessarly reflect those held by the mannagement of this website,,, viewer discretion is advised"....
Whether the SO or a hobbyist, some of these are planned and unplanned. When caught betwixt and between choices get made. While I don't see them or at least if I know the score, I suspect the motivation is the same; they are making a living. Now in the case of the SO or the pimp it tells volumes about his or her character. Too bad the hobby is not mainstream and sex workers unionized so 'disability' pay possible. It's FUBAR, but what else is new?
If it is OK to have sex when pregnant, and it is OK for a woman to be paid for her sexual services. Then why is it wrong for a woman to be paid for her sexual services when she is pregnant. With proper screening and use of condoms the child she is carrying is in no greater danger than the one a monogamous mother is carrying. A woman has to make a living if she is single pregnant or not. It is her judgement that leads her to the decision as to whether it is safer to work in an office, a construction site, as a bus driver or as a sexual provider. A woman that is a provider is often far more aware of her female sex organs. She goes to see a gynocologist far more often than the average woman. There is a good chance she will be paying more attention to the developement of her infant than most women.
Screening isnt foolproof there are cases of perfectly normal men turning violent on a provider even though she knew him... STDs arent the only health risk, colds,flu and communicable diseses are passed through intimate contact..it is foolish to think that this is safe for an unborn child...there are other ways to make money when you are preggers since when is providing the only job oppurtunity out there??
Because you sound like you received brain damage from getting pounded in the head by 10 dicks per day while she continued to take appointments through the nineth month!
Obviously, if the provider is servicing multiple partners, she's exposing the baby to far more than the monogomous mother would be! Condoms or not! Just the number of times per day that she is having sex will increase risk!
Just because a typical provider may go and see a gynocologist more often than an average woman, DOES NOT mean that the statistic will hold true when comparing PREGNANT providers and PREGNANT average women! And even if she is seeing a gynocologist, I don't imagine the pregnant provider is being honest with them as to what she is doing!
Obviously your opinion is based on your limited scope of this hobby, and takes only the best possible senerios into account!
...who thinks he's funny when the whole board is laughing at you instead of with you. Body Sculptor had the guts to not use an alias, and his points are valid. You chose to attack (rather weakly, I might add) under the guise that you're battling PC. I've got a newsflash for you: It's NOT generally considered PC for a provider to work while preggers. Those of us that support a pregnant provider's decision to do so aren't PC, nor does it make us fetish freaks. Bring it for real, if you want to tangle with me. Your weak shit stinks!
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my "position" prevents me from using my username on the public boards in flamewars... But I'll gladly pick up where ever you'd like on the reviewers board...
aka: Dirty Jesus!
...This is extremely weak. Trying to use "Ben Dover's" handle in this manner is OH SO LAME!!! And your "position"? What "position" is that? Are you on all fours taking a long stiff one or simply on your knees?
I am telling the truth that when I'm engaged in "conduct unbecoming a moderator", I prefer aliases, but not because I'm trying to hide who I am, but just so you can't PROVE who I am....
this is one additional example of how criminalization and social stigma of providing create an environment in which there is no clear thinking.
If providing were legal and professionalized, a provider would have the option to have appropriate and sufficient health insurance to get pregnant and have the baby without having to work -- if that were her choice.
On the other hand, if it were her choice to work, then professionalization of providing would result in a standard of care that would ensure safety for the provider, the baby and the hobbyist.
The reality is that some guys get off on doing pregnant women, and there are women willing to satisfy that demand. The hard issue is how to take care of everyone's desires/needs in a responsible way.
A smart provider will have a secondary business that she can use as her cover, say bookkeeper, councilor, or consultant. In that way she can have a way to pay her taxes and stay out of trouble with the IRS. She can legitimately save and invest her earnings. It will also make it easy to set up an insurance plan to cover her if she gets pregnant. Unfortunately many providers do not have the discipline to plan well and live a difficult life because of it
There are many ways to sustain oneself during pregnancy other than providing...Single moms are doing it everyday.
I have seen three pregnant providers during my 30+ years as a hobbyist.
In two of the cases, the provider continued to have vaginal sex and enjoyed it immensely.
I knew two of the women for a long time, and still do. They are fine mothers, their kids are fine. They are very selective about their clients. What's all the fuss about?
Methinks it is a bit of morality mixed with squeemishness, but that's just my guess.
I don't consider myself a pervert because I find pregnant women attractive and more than anyone will consider themselves perverts because of some thing that floats their boat.
I have also discussed this fetish with a number of providers and they saw nothing that weird or abusive about it.
Someone on our regional board said the ad is a scam.
I know there was at least one pregnant provider here in TC but she only did it in the early stages. And I believe she was married and it was planned.
I didn't mean to judge anyone. You all have your reasons for doing whatever you do and I respect that. It would be great if every provider's reason for providing was that she loves doing it but unfortunately that's not always the case.
who do it while not loving what they do. Don't be silly. Why would they sleep with me if they did not love me?
The ones I have known 1: decided to see repeat clients 2: Only offer until a certain month(example:Only until 5th or 6th month 3: If they do see new clients charge much higher rates as it is a "fetish" and fetish guys pay $$$$. Where do you get the idea that a pregnant provider has to lower rates,become a drunk and their bellies are all gross with stretch marks etc? My sister has 2 children and she lost weight during both her pregnancies and had NO stretch marks at all. Woman who take good care of their skin do not get stretch marks during their terms. I would not work while pregnant but who I am to judge as I have never had children.
I base my opinions on many years in this hobby, many years involved the strip club industry, and hundreds of observations which prove my points!
While it is true that not all girls get stretch marks, most do! And while some providers take great care of themselves and live healthy, stable live, MANY DON'T!
There's a utopian ideal that some ladies on this board achieve (or claim to), but lets face the truth! The TER community only represents a tiny sampling of the totak market base! And we attract a dispurported amount go ladies from the upper crust of this field!
I think people of this board forget sometimes how small we are compared to the hobby as a whole... It's a dirty, fucked up, unhealthy world out there!
There is one in buffalo that is 8 months
eww
And here's two more pregnant gals advertising in Atlanta, one of 'em also at 8+ months:
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/192162936.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/193737399.html
And do I have to pay extra for that, even though I didn't ask for it?
. . . fetuses do have certain instincts.
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woman have needs too..pregnant or not...
Don't know if she is a provider though.
Having never been pregnant before, I can't speculate on the health issues that the mother or baby may face, but I used to know this guy who would tell me that it's "so much better" because something about the woman's vagina being that much hotter (temperature wise.)
It made me laugh because essentially he made her sound like a hot incubator. I was tempted to find an incubator for him (like the ones they used to use to hatch the baby chicks in grade school)so he could test it out but then I thought that it might become a problem for him and I didn't want to see a joke land him on the Darwin Awards list.
It so is...
We are dicussing providing while pregnant...a whole other topic.
I was just throwing out a comment I'd heard.
Although I think the big hoopla is really more about the idolization of a pregnant woman rather than a safety issue. Pregnant women fuck, too. I'd hope she's screening her clients VERY WELL,though, and avoiding violent men.