ie, the need to overanalyze & document trivia.  Manifests substantially differently in females.

LOL
Finally someone standing up for putting down these clowns.

They think they know but even if they knew they are still what they are ......

I think most agree that when a hobbiest whines about a provider's rates it's an excercise in futility. If a provider is getting the activity she seeks at a given rate she would be dumb to lower it. as far as the other suggestions go, I think the posters were just trying to be helpful and the suggestions are yours to consider or discard.

If said data was interpreted as trying to tell you how to do your business, well, then I sense one of us has a slight inferiority complex.

You asked what my qualifications are. Well, since you asked, 20+ years in Sales and Marketing and why yes I do have an MBA in business and marketing. But I don't consider the MBA worth beans. It's just a hall pass to let you work at the best assignments and the best companies. In the end it’s the market that hands you your report card.

So why did I publish the information? Well mainly to share. I find statistics interesting and others apparently did too. There weren’t any real negative responses to that post until this one.

When I did this for my provider friend it was solely because she was struggling with what cities to include when she tours and asked for my opinion since I travel a lot. Not having a good answer for her I just applied some simple market demographic analysis. Took me about 10 minutes. But hell, I do this for living.

But you ask what qualifies me to talk about your biz? Answer, absolutely nothing. However, these statistics were meant solely as one data point in what is otherwise a fuzzy decision. In the end, my friend will have to make her own decision. My hope was to let her at least see the problem from a numerical perspective.

Now if such an idea of offering up statistics offends you, well then, there are deeper issues that I for one, won’t comment on.

To the other folks on the board,

I was on the fence as to whether to include this info again. Since I didn’t get a strong yes or no message I’m somewhat disinclined to do this again. But I’d love to hear other lucid thoughts on this topic.

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Well, first and foremost that post is not very accurate and does not reflect all info needed to give such an opinion.  However, I give the guy credit for trying.  I think a woman who is in the field / trade that makes a post giving advice would most likely be listened to first, as she is in the trade and knows all the variables.  To those "johns" that tell ladies to lower their rates they show a lack of respect and or little understanding of the physical toll it takes on a lady being in the biz.  They are not in any position to give advice.  For those that do so it is most likely advice slanted in their favor.  You are far better to up your rates and keep the wear and tear on your body down.  Thus keeping yourself healthy.  Not to mention keeping a classier more upscale clientelle.  Thats my 02 on the subject.

Most of it is rather amusing, but I would not say he was giving advice to the Providing universe.

I thought that his analysis was as honest as anything you read here and you are right, from the left coast, EROS doesn't play that much into the decision-making by experienced hobbyists. How someone runs their business is ultimately up to the person. I believe that touring is best accomplished in places where ladies have an opportunity to standout. In places such as LV and LA, few other places, that can be harder to do for many reasons. But you take, places such as Boston, DC, and Chicago, a lady with better than average looks and a half screen of good reviews goes home with several grand after expenses; not bad for someone who talks dirty to old men... LOL

Case in point. I had a date with FL Provider (whose makes Chicago a regular stop), she was quite candid that her dance card fills up and she still makes time for herself to hangout with some friends she's made. Her average stay on the clock here is 4 days. She's has made 5 figures on most most stops (don't ask, I am not telling). So from a pure numbers perspective, he might not be blowing smoke up your ass; but I forgot, you might like that....Then, again, he might be the biggest ePimp in America... LOL



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Interesting article.

http://www.forbes.com/money/2006/02/11/economics-prostitution-marriage_cx_mn_money06_0214prostitution.html

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Although many of you ladies are quite astute in the profitable operation of your enterprise a large percentage seems to chronically run in the red. This poses a baffling paradox to many men figuring that conservatively you could be netting three or more times as much per week as an average secretary gross. When a gal such as you balks at a nominal $20.00 per month (or less) for access to speedy search features affording review histories and contact data for screening verification with hobbyist’s prior providers along with a “Private Mail” system to use to your further benefit the question of priorities does enter a gentleman’s mind. When you further have a hissy-fit over possibly not being able to access the discussion boards under an alias on a sight that is already affording a discernable percentage of your business cost free; it smacks not only of penuriousness but also elitist and narcissistic.

I think the important thing to consider here is . . .

that we're all familiar with the saying, "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus."  This is soooooo true. Men and women will always think and rationalize differently, and until both genders realize this and learn to accept the difference of opinions with some decency and respect, there will always be feuding "among the ranks" (so to speak).

I thought it was thoughtful of this gentleman to make an effort to help his lady friend and do some statistical marking. I also think there are some men who think they know a lot more about this business than they actually know or will ever know. Some are modern pimps and -- if done properly and accepted by ladies and treated right -- that's okay. There are always going to be exceptions to the rule in any business atmosphere, whether you're a doctor or a provider. Please keep in mind that many providers are highly educated women. Maybe some of those ladies make a lot of money and some do not make as much as you think in this business. Maybe some are in this profession because this business allows them some flexibility from the nine-to-five timeframe placed on the majority of the middle-class population. Perhaps many of these providers want to obtain more degrees, venture into artistic venues or take care of their children and spend more time with them. Who knows and quite honestly who cares?

This is a business of fantasy. If done well, both hobbyist and provider profit from it. When people try to analyze it to death, it is understandable because they want to know the "whys" and "why-nots" of this business, but it can also destroy relationships and fantasies between providers and hobbyists.

TER is a great place to post opinions and create stimulation within the community. However, sometimes all of us -- at times -- become annoyed at someone's topic depending on how our day was spent and what is transpiring in our work situation, family lives and so forth.

I think any information about marketing is good, and statistics is helpful and I encourage it. Just don't be offended if we don't take that advice. Gees! I sound like my mother.

Hugs,
Ciara

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