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Would you say the hobby...
MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 1874 reads
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has made you a better lover?

In my time as a provider I have dealt with both those good in bed & those who needed to be taught a few lessons! To be honest their has been a greater number of those who needed to be taught to those who have experience.

My question is 1. how good of a lover would you rate yourself? If you feel you are not so great, are you willing to take direction? & 2. Has the hobby made you a better lover?

A friend of mine believes a lot of men enter the hobby not so great & never get a chance to improve because the ladies they see only tell them how "great" they are. I understand that is what we do as providers but shouldn't a good provider be able to teach you how to improve yourself as well?

Any thoughts?

XOXO,
Ms. Leila Lovely

-- Modified on 6/4/2015 11:24:43 PM

mojojo 1 Reviews 490 reads
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Let's say my real world is a sexless place. The very reason for inhabiting this fantasy world. How would I know if I've become a better lover? You tell me I'm a great lover, a ten in bed if you will. You give me little great lover nicknames. You cum three or four times during our sessions. You tell me I'm handsome, intelligent, humorous, and charming. Yet, with all of that, the real world doesn't let me test the truth of what you're telling me.  

So my answer has to be qualified. I think I'm a better lover. I'm pretty sure I've seen enough tell tale good lover signs from you to corroborate what you're telling me. But, wow, you sure could be a great actress. Can you spontaneously cry in front of the camera as all great actresses? Can you spontaneously get wet in front of your bad lover atf as all great providers? Do you kiss the hell out of me, or do you do a quick kiss, then turn your head the rest of the time? Do your moans come alone, or do they come with quivers, bucking, arm slapping, and head gyrations? When there's five minutes left do you say let me start the shower, or do you ask for another?  

I'm not really sure. I certainly hope I'm a better lover. Let's just say, over all the years in the hobby, I've learned to be more attentive. Does that make me a better lover? Hey, let's meet in real life sometime, and we'll find out the truth. You can report back to this thread. On second thought, maybe the illusion is just fine.

mrfisher 112 Reviews 626 reads
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3 / 54

is that I enjoy sex a lot more both in frequency and variety.

nom_de_plume 439 reads
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4 / 54

The reason I started seeing providers was a nearly total absence of intimacy in my SO relationship (not just sex, but kissing and cuddling also), which was a 30-year monogamous relationship. Needless to say I was very rusty when I started. I've been fortunate to find providers who are kind, patient, enthusiastic coaches and give me honest feedback along with helpful advice. They have also guided me to worlds I could only dream of before.  I've also met providers who lay it on pretty thick with how great a lover I am, have 10 Os in an hour  ;)  etc. That strokes the male ego for awhile, but I much prefer genuine words and reactions; those have helped me improve greatly as a lover.  

A rating?  I guess we'll just have to wait for the New TER for that.  :)

HarryWotton 11 Reviews 673 reads
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your friend, not that anybody tells me how great I am.  For one, most ladies are very polite and they don't want to hurt our feelings.  The other thing is that every woman is different and what one may think is great another will say "meh!"   Just think of your own experience simply in kissing, there is no one way to do it, if you think about it, every guy has his own take on it, just like the ladies do.   What I suppose we all try to do is mirror each other a bit to find about what the other likes, but quite honestly, I don't mind when a lady gives a bit of verbal instruction.

You can become a better lover to another person when you spend more time together but I really don't think that multiple one time trysts with different women improve one's ability, too much variance.   As I type this I am thinking of one concrete example, I was recently with a lady and I licked the back of her knees and she went wild over it.  I did the same thing about 5 months ago to someone else and she told me that I was lucky she did not kick me because it makes her move her leg impulsively and does not feel good.  And no, licking the back of the knee is not something I do all the time, those two instances are the only ones I can think off in the last year.  Anyway, silly example but I think it illustrates the point.

micktoz 43 Reviews 581 reads
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6 / 54

I hobby with a few regular providers that I either found sexual chemistry with or the illusion of it.
I've had a few experiences with a few that were highly reviewed that it just wasn't there and wasn't great. I don't think it's as simple as saying someone is a good lover or not. If you don't have some sort of attraction, no amount of acting will do it.
With my 4 regulars, the sex seems to be getting better and better as I (we) explore and practice what we like. It is a learning experience. I don't think that they are acting better and better. But who knows? I'm having a blast

GaGambler 542 reads
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7 / 54

I can't say with absolute certainty that my "technique" is any better than it would be without the hobby, but I do know that getting laid almost everyday certainly "demystifies" sex and makes me much more confident, takes away all nervousness, and allows me to relax and enjoy myself without even a hint of "performance anxiety"

I can't speak for all women, but most women I know say that "confidence is sexy", so just by that yardstick, I am sure I am better in bed than if I were only getting laid on rare occasions. Plus I can last as long as I want to, my days of being a "two pump chump" are well in my rearview mirror.

HarryWotton 11 Reviews 738 reads
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Of course, there is a fine line between ego and confidence and I can honestly say that there are two activities that I partake in where I check my ego at the door, this one and golf.   The issue of technique, if you want to put that way, is really subjective which is why I can't say that I am any better.  But yeah, if I could go back and visit that kid in his teens and 20s, I would give him a good talking, he would have enjoyed all of this so much better, because the apprehension was a killer.    

If I were to amend my answer elsewhere on the thread, it would be that being respectful and listening go a long way in this little activity, and really, all other human endeavors.   When I go on a date/session, I make zero assumptions and I do not think about what I have done with anybody else, I just like it to flow naturally and hope to run into someone who will give me some cues so that they don't have a miserable time and just endure my company.

looking64 24 Reviews 292 reads
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MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 457 reads
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10 / 54

All that honestly matters babe!

Xoxo,
Ms. Leila Lovely

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 529 reads
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11 / 54

you have been able to have relations with good providers who are willing to be patient & guide!

xoxo,
Ms. Leila Lovely

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 378 reads
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12 / 54

what you mean & that is a honest way to it!

Because like you said everyone has their own preferences.

xoxo,
Ms. Leila Lovely

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 380 reads
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13 / 54

you are definitely on the right track!  

but I understand what you mean & yeah the reactions will speak for themselves!

xoxo,
Ms. Leila Lovely

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 348 reads
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14 / 54

Confidence is a major key!

It's what makes leaders & that what all of us woman need, regardless of what one may say.

xoxo,
Ms. Leila Lovely

WICardinalfan 632 reads
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This question really got me thinking........

When I was single in my 30's, I was thin, had a full head of hair, and fuck like a fiend.  Cum twice, NP, pump away for 10 min without breaking a sweat, NP......have a cock hard as a rock.....np.

Whoever I was less sensitive to my partners needs, and while I would wait until she came before I let loose, that was about the extent of my consideration.

Now I believe my technique has improved, particularly oral.  Whenever I go down I ask share with my provider partner that I take direction well, and guide me so I can get you to the promised land.  Few have done so and most tell me I am doing great......could be flattery but hell, I will take it.  

I am much more sensitive to my lover's needs, I put her first always......

I know I have learned to kiss better.  

I am much more focused on foreplay, stimulation of multiple points on the body, etc.

I just wish I could have kept my youthful stamina.........

scb19 10 Reviews 528 reads
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1) I would rate myself around 6-7.  I've never had a provider tell me "how great I am", but several are very good at the right sound effects.  I am not fooled...LOL, but do appreciate the effort.  It really does get me going. I am pretty adventurous and am up for anything other than pain.  If a provider offered to show me something "new" and it was something that really got her off, then I am all for it.

2) IDK....my friends that know of my hobby have said things to the effect of "you must learn a lot" to which I reply, "How do you know that I am not doing the teaching"  LOL

RichardLongwood 627 reads
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I agree, but like aging athletes, we need to play smarter.  Some things are tough, but staying in shape, doing cardio to help your stamina, and lifting weights for strength will help.  Go into a session hydrated and not intoxicated, vary oral with more energetic doggy, etc.  Plus, quality becomes more important than quantity.

GaGambler 483 reads
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As I age my overall stamina might not be quite what it used to be, but my sexual stamina is much BETTER that it was when I was young.

and for the record I still like to "get drunk and screw" and quantity is still just as important as ever. I will admit that my days of seeing four different women in a single day are probably a thing of the past, but I still like to get laid every single day, I can think of very few days in my entire life when I woke up thinking to myself "I don't think I want to have sex today" Nor do I expect many of those days in the future, or at least I hope not.

You other fuckers can get old if you want. I refuse to even grow up, much less get old. lol

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 504 reads
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going personality!

& Plus I think when you switch it up from time to time, like taking turns on who gets control for the night could really spice things up.  

Make it like a competition of some sort? Who can bring it the best haha.

XOXO,
Ms. Leila Lovely

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 504 reads
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21 / 54

I understand what you are saying!

This similar to sports players maybe?  
Late down their career they lose their athleticism but their experience & technique is what keeps them in the game with a good shot! ;)

xoxo,
Ms. Leila Lovely

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 278 reads
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jeffdogger 9 Reviews 370 reads
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1. 6 now and continue to seek direction for improvement, 2 before finding hobby

2. Yes! Even though I had been married twice, with my current soon-to-be ending marriage lasting 24 years, I had no idea what I was doing. Thanks to the wonderful escorts I have met in the past 18 months, I think I at least know what I am doing now. My favorite lady, who I have seen over 35 times, has been especially helpful, patient, and mentoring. I would even say that I have learned to kiss with her and have really enjoy all my learning! I look forward to continuing my studies and practice.

-- Modified on 6/5/2015 7:53:00 PM

hbyist+truth=;( 459 reads
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I look at it like this, not my job to teach a john anything. And what works for one hooker might be the antitheses for another so all the teaching one does for her might be wasted on the next hooker he sees.

And part of my job is to act like a GF and if that means telling him things he might want to hear as part of the girlfriend  EXPERIENCE, I will oblige.

hbyist+truth=;( 424 reads
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How bad was the sex for your ex wives?  

Now I see why some women just quit having sex with their husbands after a while.

Skyfyre 560 reads
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but not because any provider showed or taught me anything. The reason is simple:

Practice makes perfect!

By practicing on many different women I learned for myself a lot about what works and what not and how to do things better

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 593 reads
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I was very inexperienced, so it was hard NOT to improve, lol.
But aside from that, it has taught me a lot about women, and how to listen to them (specifically the signals they give), and what many like.  Also, it made me realize that I have a lot more game than I ever thought I did - which has completely transformed my confidence around all women and thus the way that I am recieved.  No exaggeration to say this hobby has completely changed me.  Many in my real life have noticed a difference in me too.  Life is good.

Oldtimemonger 703 reads
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Posted By: MsLeilaLovely
has made you a better lover?  
   
 In my time as a provider I have dealt with both those good in bed & those who needed to be taught a few lessons! To be honest their has been a greater number of those who needed to be taught to those who have experience.  
   
 My question is 1. how good of a lover would you rate yourself? If you feel you are not so great, are you willing to take direction? & 2. Has the hobby made you a better lover?  
   
Personally I've never understood why any man who is PAYING for sex would try to impress an escort with his sexual skills. Since I'm not interested in the escort's sexual gratification she will not know what skills I might have.

I'll bring my A game when escorts start paying the clients for sex.

nom_de_plume 365 reads
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... you view yourself as a "hooker", and some providers see their jobs in a different way, thus they don't mind being a coach to clients who are open to be coached?

Not that one POV is better than the other... just different.  

If a provider insists on filling my ears with BS because she thinks I want to hear it and that's part of her job, I won't argue with how she approaches her job. I'll just go find a provider who doesn't do that.

Crazy Diamond 12 Reviews 408 reads
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1) At DATY and French, better than average, based upon decades of experience with both providers and civvies.  FS is a different experience...it can be difficult to concentrate when you are are inside her...

2) Yes.  Like anything else, the more experience you have, the better you will be at just about everything.  Sex included...

3) I always welcome the ladies' input.  I usually follow your body language and reactions in bed, and adjust towards what you seem to like.  If you feel the need to verbally communicate suggestions or feedback that will make our encounter more pleasant for you, this hobbyist is open to that.

Good post!

Dr. joe 32 Reviews 402 reads
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Too bad I am no where near Las V, I would love to schedule a couple of hours and get an honest evaluation and any instruction you could give.
Most professional ladies, unless you get to know them, just want to make you feel good, so there is little opportunity for learning and improving. (Once you see a lady repeatedly and get to know her, she will be more open with how you have done.) I would always greatly appreciate pointers.
I understand that what I do may be wonderful for one lady and inadequate for another, but I still appreciate any suggestions or correction or criticism.  I have been having sex for many decades and think I generally please the non professional women I have been with.  (Unlike Providers, who are usually anxious to please, many women in the last 30 years or so --a change from the 1950s and 60s-- will let you know if they are not happy and why.) Still there is always room for improvement

hbyist+truth=;( 595 reads
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Have been very good at the experience you pay for and at some point, might have fudged the truth. We are not here to be necessarily truthful and you know what I mean by that. So how would you know unless she was blatantly excessive and obvious ("you" are fat but she says you have an awesome  body)?

Look around on here when a hooker is truthful. I have said many time I fuck old fat men and some john who resembles that description, has called me angry or bitter or that I should even quit if I have such ire towards my clients. I don't have ire, I was very factual and honest, however that is how it can be interpreted right here

hbyist+truth=;( 390 reads
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And I doubt that the hookers you see bother to lie like a rug with you. You seem to know the score and the reality of this, good for you.

GaGambler 402 reads
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It's only the "other guys" that they lie to when they gush about how witty, how handsome, and what a big dick he has. When they tell him this bullshit, they are telling "him" the truth. lmao

Who the fuck wants a totally honest hooker? We don't want hookers to be totally honest any more than any of us want a totally honest SO.

I think someone is just deluding himself.

For the record ANY woman, not just a hooker who is totally honest will immediately be labeled a bitch. AND most likely the title will be well deserved. Too much honesty is never a good thing between the sexes. You would think that hookers and johns of all people would now that. Oh well, at least the hookers around here seem to get the concept, except maybe for LR, but we all know she's a bitch, so I rest my case. lol

1705218 10 Reviews 502 reads
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But who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Before a threesome I asked one of the ladies to teach me how to DTY like a woman. I learned a few new tricks.

Bowman1138 30 Reviews 463 reads
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Those of us who treat a provider as the GF in GFE, DO have a better experience, without a doubt. Personally, if she's not enjoying herself, then I'm not enjoying myself.

Bring your "A" game every time, and you might be surprised at how much better your experience will be.  They won't start paying you, but they will do other things to rock your world!

Sy

badray 641 reads
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I don't purport to be great by any means, but I definitely think that the hobby has made me a better lover and really, a better person. I don't think there is any magic list of techniques I've learned, but I will list a few things that I've learned that makes the experience more enjoyable for both of us.

1. Listen! Taking time to really listen to the other person is important. You learn all sorts of things, and I think listening is really appreciated by everyone.

2. Take time to chat and get to know one another. Related to #1. I'm not talking about a deep discussion about world politics, but some light chatting to get to know someone, or if you already know them, to catch up on life makes the experience more personal and therefore, more fun.

3. Slow down. I admit there are times when I just want it quick and dirty, but there is something about taking it slow at first, teasing and building up the tension and arousal until the urge to f*** becomes unbearable and imminent.  I've seen women do things I'd never imagined once the heat became so great it just took over the moment. Now THAT is fun for everyone. :-) (Which is why I always book at least 2 hours. Hah!)

Admittedly this all sounds like communication 101, but evidently not everyone has taken that class. ;-)

Anyway, that's what I've gotten out of my experiences.

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 429 reads
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Yes there is always room for improvement & as long as you carry that attitude you will do nothing but progress!

In my opinion when it comes down to, Men can only learn how to please a woman by a woman & a woman can only learn to please a man by a man!

I wish you were near as well! I would love to accompany you & have a little learning session ;) I think we both have a lot to offer!

XOXO,
Ms. Leila Lovely

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 236 reads
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feel the need to verbally communicate & have suggestions, this provider is always down to try some new things experience new fun!

I am glad to hear that you have been making a great investment!

xoxo,
Ms. Leila Lovely

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 382 reads
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...who also were not shy about making suggestions and telling me how they like things

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 325 reads
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there is a honest & respectful way to relay the truth!

If you come correct, I am confident the hobbyist will understand!

Besides, what is the point in hobbying if you aren't getting any better at it? If you are investing money, my opinion, is you should be getting something out of it!  

XOXO,
Ms. Leila Lovely

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 485 reads
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If you ask me, that is when as a hobbyist, you can officially say you are getting your moneys worth!

XOXO,
Ms. Leila Lovely

MsLeilaLovely See my TER Reviews 579 reads
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Since I began providing, I have met other hobbyist who have said the hobby has also helped them become a better lover & person.

One man told me, after dealing with so many beautiful & having the fun he has never had before, it brought him a lot of confidence to his game. He could talk straight up, look you in your eye, & when he's in public he has no problem talking to random (If need be). & it all came from the bedroom!

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 357 reads
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If it was bad, it was likely both their faults for not communicating.

nom_de_plume 478 reads
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... and a few have been obvious about it. I've had good success finding providers who are honest with me. How do I know they're honest?  I have a good idea of who I am, my strengths and weaknesses. It's pretty easy to tell when something a provider (or anyone) tells me is contrary to reality.  

But honest doesn't have to mean cruel. A provider can be both honest and considerate of others' feelings. So if I don't have a huge dick, she doesn't have to say "Your dick is average at best, huh?"  She doesn't have to say anything about it.  

If you have a fat client, do you call him "fatso"?  Of course not. Is that honest?  I think it is, as long as you don't lie to the guy, e.g. "What a hot bod you have!" when that's not what you really think.  Just talk about other things. Look for the best in your clients and compliment them on those attributes.  

I don't pretend to represent every hobbiest. I just like honesty in my relationships, including professional ones. So I seek providers who will be honest with me. But kindness is much appreciated too. :)

camote16 34 Reviews 311 reads
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Every woman is different, duh. They all have their pleasure buttons an I'll ask what hers are. I'm very teachable. I want an hope she wants to have a great time like I do. I think I came into the hobby a great lover an now I've learned a few more things an look forward to learning more.

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 311 reads
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Some people are more naturally outgoing and truly enjoy meeting new people and being "fully present" with them.  These are the people who it is most fun to spend time with.  Mechanical ladies who are just punching a time-clock and whose minds are clearly somewhere else?  No thanks, that is a little boring, just one small step above a blow-up doll.  Fortunately, I've met more of the former than the latter.

And I'm not naive, I know there is a lot of acting that can go on.  But it is less than I thought when I came into this hobby, as I am a naturally a guarded person and am very sensitive to the reactions I get from ladies.  Just yesterday I was with a favorite lady who I thought may have faked on O during DATY.  But a minute later after I brushed against a breast she reflexively pulled back, because they were still extremely sensitive after having cum (something she had told me happens on previous dates, so all the breast play now is done in the first shower and before any sex).  So in this case, I thought a woman had faked a reaction but she clearly had not.  Her giving me her private cell number and doing some other things which I won't mention only further confirmed that this lady is the real deal.  And a real sweetheart.  Plus, her style of sex is the most intimate I've had with a provider, as she likes full body to full body, chest to chest, pulling in very tight.  Amazing.

Guess I rambled a bit there off the main point, but this memory is still quite fresh lol!

-- Modified on 6/6/2015 11:45:08 AM

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 459 reads
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hbyist+truth=;( 409 reads
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And not saying anything if there is nothing nice to say, which I do regularly.

However, if some john is dumb enough to ask me "are you attracted to me", I have come out with "I am attracted to your personality" but then he counters with "so not my body"...geez. This is where guys need to really take a look in the mirror before asking such questions OR not get pissed at the answer. Or we lie like a rug because my bottom line is money and I am not about to alienate a potential money source by speaking the truth and upsetting him.

Or the other one is would you date me in real life (as in no money exchanging). I answer no to that one. Anything else leaves a crack open for stalking behavior and had one of those when my answer less than direct. Those that ask that I am not interested in seeing much more as they usually end up a huge drain and a complete pest.

nom_de_plume 499 reads
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... he'd better be ready for an honest answer, because he may get one and won't like it.  

I never ask providers questions like that. I don't think they're appropriate for a provider/client relationship.  I don't expect providers to be attracted to me. I'm sure as hell not looking to date any provider in real life. But I like it when we both enjoy our time together.  I do ask for feedback on things like massage pressure and technique (if I'm doing that) and tongue/finger play, favorite positions etc.

expat337 53 Reviews 282 reads
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Maybe 4 or 5 for performance. And no after seeing dozens and dozens of ladies over the last 15 years I am still a complete embarrassment in the bedroom.

hbyist+truth=;( 525 reads
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And depending on the age of them both, she was possibly taught NOT to direct the man because he ought to know and it would hurt his ego... the biggest, most disastrous piece of advice given to women to give to men EVER.

rob8675309 6 Reviews 376 reads
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For me, it entirely depends on the connection/chemistry/spark/lust between me and the provider. For the providers I've been fortunate enough to see where we had that kind of chemistry, I would say I was a very good and generous lover (I love to give pleasure as much as receive it ;-). Sessions like these have definitely made me more confident, and I would say that confidence has made me a better lover. And those sessions have provided memories that will last me the rest of my days.

On the other hand, I've been with providers that I don't think the strongest vibrator could make them cum. Zero connection, chemistry, not the slightest hint of a spark. Those experiences made me feel like a totally lousy lay. I left feeling like I used another person to masturbate. Wham, bam, thank you mam, now leave the money on the dresser and get the fuck out. Definitely not good. Thankfully, this has not been the bulk of my experiences.

So to answer, with some ladies I feel like a king and with others I feel like a chump. My 2c.~~~~Rob

TheUnexpectedHobbyist 595 reads
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I had lost my confidence after 10 years of little to no sex in my marriage. After spending the last year actively hobbying, I feel I am on the top of my game.

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