[sorry of this is OT]

On vacation in Budapest I got wasted and ended up at a sort of reasonably high class Hostess/Brothel establishment.  I ended up going home with one of the girls (22, beautiful, fit, Hungarian -- ie not Russian or Ukranian), with whom I ended up having very brief (2-3 minutes, I was too drunk to perform) unprotected intercourse.  This was after 5-10 minutes of DATY.

I am now totally freaked.  Can someone give me some sense of my actual risk?  I went to a clinic and got immediate anti-bio shots + pills and HIV tests, but the tests aren't conclusive anyway until 6 weeks post-event, and I don't think I can put off my significant other for 6 weeks, let alone one.

Sorry if this is OT, or brings down the happy vibe of the board, but I'm a loyal reader and I know some of you can help me here.  TIA.

your risk of infection is low, man getting from woman is rare chance umless you have a open sore or ulcer on the penis, an HIV + man can give a woman more easily.
vaginal intercourse has less rate of transmitting the disease and oral is very very rare(virus dies when exposed to water, saliva and air.
I hope this will take some anxiety away but do gt yourself checked in 6 weeks and once again in 2-3 months

This might make you feel better. I know bareback is a hot subject on this board but ,it more of that goes on in the world than covered. Years ago it was very common to go bareback and I am sure in about ever bar in the world some one has pickup someone they didnt know and had bareback sex and mosts live thru it. Good Luck!!! Let the flames begin slip on a full body condom and  duckin and running     http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/rrbprostitute.htm

The real objection I have to STD posts is when different posters ask the same questions over and over again every few weeks.  That gets to be a drag-- but that doesn't describe your post.  

I'd say your risk was very, very low.  There's no confirmed case of AIDS being spread by DATY (but a caveat to this: the don't know why this is, and oral sex usually accompanies other sex acts, so this is difficult to dtermine.)  Three minutes of flaccid intercourse is also very unlikely to spread the virus to a man from a woman.  All of that is assuming that she was infected.  That in itself was  unlikely.  

So, don't panic and calm down, but do get yourself checked anyway.   It's not like you were pierced with a known-to-be-contaminated syringe.  The chances anything bad happened are very very low, so don't work yourself up about it.

The moral is that we are all human.  This story could be told by anyone of us.  Let inhibition slip in the heat of passion and Mother Nature guides us.

Thanks for the feedback.  I’m a little less stressed, now, I guess, though I wonder what my odds were for other STDs.  I guess I was hoping for some actual numbers/percentages upon which to base future actions.  Are the chances 1 in 100,000, 1 in 1,000, what?

The link was interesting: assuring on HIV, disturbing on STDs (95%?!?), and then, when I went to the home page and realized it was a site arguing that HIV doesn’t exit, confusing.  What to believe…hmmm.

My problem is that my description of my situation doesn’t really do justice to its gravity; i.e. how much I have to lose if I pass *anything* on to a loved one.  I kept it vague to stay anonymous, in case someone I know is reading the board (entirely possible).  I’m more stressed over blowing the relationship than with my own health.  

I’ll shut up now, but thanks again for the feedback, and if anyone had anything more concrete, I’d appreciate that too.

I did an exhaustive search on this board for threads I remembered regarding the HIV outbreak in the porn industry.  Those conversations took place in April-May of last year.  I did dig up this stat given by Mathesar in his May 6th post (see link.)

"...we probably won't encounter many HIV-positive partners in this hobby as long as HIV in the population remains at the current level. Only about 0.5% to 0.7% of the population is HIV-positive and many of those are MSMs (men who have sex with men) and IV Drug users -- two communitities that I hope do not have a large overlap with our community.

"If we do encounter a HIV-positive partner the chances of becoming HIV-positive appear to be very small in a single encounter (about 1 chance in 500 from a single act of receptive uncovered vaginal intercourse in the absence of any open genital sores and assuming that the HIV-positive partner is not in the very early highly infectious stage of the infection)."

Conclusion: off-hand, your chance is 1/500 x 1/100 (considering a higher rate of infection in that country.)  You have a 1 in 50,000 chance of having contracted HIV.

If you want, use the *Find* option at the bottom left, type in AIDS or HIV and set to 300-380 days ago.  That should get you some links to Mathesar's sources and give you a better idea.  

Note the caveats and things that might increase the risk factors. , but still, your chances of catching from her are almost negligible.  

 



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I would need to know much more about you. However maybe you could find a way to combine the international travel with a (most likely fictous local to the region you visited health scare) Tell your SO you just got a call from stat dept or other official sounding organization advising that a condition caused by a local food contaminant can be passed on to others through close physical conctact and that they are advising others whom have recently returned from such region of such. You can also if you have less than minimal computer savy come up with some sort of a spoof email you could cut and paste to take home . I know i may sound a bit goofy on this idea but if you back channel me I may be able to help further.  After all we all have to stick together to be safe.

I'm lucky I had a school that cared to kill the rumors and instead teach me the facts about the virus.

HIV is not as easy to pass on as most people believe it is.  It is not (currently) airborn; you could live with an HIV positive person for years and never catch it, even sharing things like toilet seats, glasses, and silverware with them.

No known case of HIV has ever been transmitted through saliva (they still don't know why saliva is inhospitable to HIV, but fact is, it's good for us in that it means you can kiss an HIV positive person, or even DATY on them, and not catch it).

HIV cannot pass through the skin - it requires an open receptical, such as an open sore or a mucous membrane.

For these reasons and others, your likelihood of catching HIV is very, very low, particularly when combined with its extremely low prevelance in the population (.5 - .7%).

If you caught anything, you're more likely to have caught another STD like gonorrhea or syphilis.  Luckily, most STDs except the viral ones, such as Herpes, can be eliminated.  

Also luckily, you'll know in a few weeks if you've got one, because you'll probably start showing symptoms, and if you don't, you're probably clean.  Note how many times I said the word 'probably.'

So, I would get tested about 1 month after your encounter; if you caught something, it'll show up in your blood by then.  If you get tested and still nothing shows up, you're probably clean, but you'll need to ask your health professional for verification on that point because there ARE a few STDs that may not show up for a very long time (for example, positive HIV identification is usually not possible until 6 months after infection).

It does you absolutely no good. Go get tested and if something turns up, then worry about.