Wouldn't that be a bit hypocritical?
So, now let's ask the providers:
Would you marry an ex, or for that matter currently active hobbyist?
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But I will insist on BBBJ and a CIM...after all we'd be married LOL
especially after she put in writing that she would "bring a hooker" for me.
I'll see your posting and raise you sleeping in a separate house, stocking lots of wine, and having gumbo/seafood every other weekend. Lol.
Wouldn't that be a bit hypocritical?
No, it would only be hypocritical if I ever cheated on my mate, and I have not. I got paid to fk other women's mates, but I have never cheated on someone I was with... the two have nothing to do with another. Why would I marry someone who is already cheating on someone else, thus telling me he does not honor the vows he made? Why would I marry a guy who knows just how easy it is to hook up with providers? I would not. It's not my idea of what a relationship is built on. If I can't trust someone, I should not be with them.
Now, if I were into open relationships, no problemo... not into that.
What if he never cheated ether? What if he only done it when not in a relationship or as part of an open one?
If he is a guy who is into open relationships, he is clearly never satisfied with only one woman for a long period of time. Why would I date someone or marry someone who is not like me in those instances? That's a war, not a marriage. People don't tend to change for very long.
What I value and put up with as a single person, are not the same things I would tolerate in a marriage partner. It's a huge difference. For instance, does a 300 lb. guy have to be attracted to only 300 lb. women? I think not. You can be fat and find other fat people repulsive, but a skinny person might want to date a fat person because they are attracted to them.
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Every time the question about dating or marrying a hobbyist you say you could never date someone who is already cheating. This assumes that all hobbyists are cheating. Well, it is true that many hobbyists are cheating, but it is not true that all hobbyists are cheating. There are many who only hobby if they have no SO.
Of course you can decide not to date or marry hobbyists for whatever reason you choose, but when you use the cheating reason you are making a blanket statement about all hobbyists. Blanket statements are always wrong.
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I'm freezing my balls off. So cold in DC.
But anyway, having an affair may be cheating but not sure if seeing escorts is full scale cheating?
I guess cheating is still cheating.
I find it a bit funny when some providers stereotype the very same clients who pay them, into one giant evil package. If they don't like their clients so much and repulsed by their cheating, why do business with them
I did not say they were evil... I said I would never marry one. Why does it matter if I choose not to spend the rest of my life with a man who spent his life fkin hookers just because I was a hooker for the money? I don't get all in a tizzy when one of you says they would never marry a former whore... I could not care less lol.
Being friends with hobbyists, is not problem, but don't sit here and tell me I have to marry one. I don't buy that bs. If it makes me a hypocrite, ok fine. Won't change my mind about it. I can be with whomever I choose, and it will be a man who has never been in this lifestyle, I got out of it... why would I want a guy who was once in it himself when it's my past and something I walked away from? Seems like more drama than it's worth. No thanks. If I was an alcoholic or drug dealer at one time, does that mean I should try to marry another one? LMAO.
What you fail to realize is very few men who were in this life ever quit for good... not all mind you, but very few will actually ever truly stop seeing escorts. The urge is simply too strong, and they justify that urge by saying it's a need. No, it's a want. Can a guy who has never been in the hobby still cheat? Damn right. This is really a moot issue with me, because I have already been married twice and never plan to do it again lol.
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The reality is these things change. She's not even in a LTR to my knowledge. She's focused on her new career. I guess that's prob keeping her busy these days.
I said I would never marry again when I got divorced. People who have been married before always say that initially.
But anyway, having an affair may be cheating but not sure if seeing escorts is full scale cheating?
I guess cheating is still cheating.
I find it a bit funny when some providers stereotype the very same clients who pay them, into one giant evil package. If they don't like their clients so much and repulsed by their cheating, why do business with them?
One was for single men who knew how easy this life made sex to attain, and the other was married men already cheating on someone else. It's one thing for a guy to have done this a few times in his lifetime.. it is another for him to have LIVED this life for 15 freaking years.
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Some guys are able to leave the hobby completely when they meet someone special.
I agree with you that this hobby can indeed be very addictive but I don't agree with you that just because a guy has been in this hobby for so long, he becomes hopeless. It's convenient and simplistic to see this from a completely black and white point of view but unfortunately it's not black and white.
As I understand it, most providers get into this business for the purpose of making a living, not so that they can be called "hookers/prostitutes" etc. Once they leave the business after finding something better to do with their lives, are they still hookers? The answer is of course, no.
I'm sure you probably know the many reasons why your clients initially got into the hobby. If some of the men find something better or someone really special that they can live for, will there be a reason to resort to the hobby? I'm thinking the answer would be no as well. Leaving the hobby for a girl is possible.
But I do recognize that for some guys, myself included, I think the best case would be to find a girl(s) who's ok with the hobby and/or hobbies herself. :
As they get older he just replaces them with younger ones. What can possibly go wrong with this?
Rejected. 
Now those folks really were miserable...right Cosette?
These nice folks are so thrilled they can't contain their excitement LOL
Would you shut up with the Les Msrables shit!
Dammit that play sucks!
Anyway...
I have been thinking about this subject.
I'm just going to have to lie about this part of myself to any girl I get close to.
Yes.. I am stupid.. I never thought the hobby would be this 500lb gorilla on my back.
I hate lieing to people... I'm really good at it. So I don't have to worry..
I guess I feel guilty sometimes. I have dated some pretty innocent women since I got into this...
Makes you feel like a deviant. You know?
Your last GF was pretty upset when she found out you were a John. She showed me the video goodbye she sent you.
She said you "filled her life with endless wonder... but you were gone when autumn came."
Sorry, bro.
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Why do you suck so many dicks?
You fuck up most of your clever things to say!
Almost is not good enough Jonny.
I don't care if you were backing me up, or trying to diss me..
You suck brother.. Try harder okay?
What a clown?
What the fuck is JGL?
Also. I don't idolize anyone...
Should I start cursing you out now?
I'm good at that.. You know..
To be honest.. I'm tired of pissing on peices of shit like you..
It's annoying..
So post away guy
I promise to be insulted okay?
I said ADJ is a clown.
Vern calling people Dolts is just Vern's self loathing.
I'll try to cry myself to sleep. Lol.
Shit you even deleted your post, where you showed love for JGL. The actor, not ADJ the character.
Lame. .
Ask admin if I deleted posts. Or is it more likely the thread was pruned for inappropriateness.
Ask HOC and admin which is true. Ask others if I let volatile posts stand.
If it suits your, ahem, argument, then deny what rings true, "Vern"
Are you wondering if I liked Don Jon and JGL in that? Duh.
I made it my handle.
I suggest you both read more than the iTunes summary.
Was that an insult?
Btw this thread is yours. I'm still lmao. Good night.
ADJ,
Your named after an actor. You are living through him.
And you're a meanie.
The jerkstore called...they're running out of you.
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I didn't want to pet your puppy anyhow. lol
Who spelled his handle wrong...lmao
Have to enable your mobile or just play it on a laptop. Duh.
The Hound of "Cullen", never Cullin.
Aka Cuchulainn, Cu Chulainn, Cuchulann. celtic hero. Lol.
You fuck up most of your clever things to say!
Almost is not good enough Jonny.
I don't care if you were backing me up, or trying to diss me..
You suck brother.. Try harder okay?
It's a novel and not a play.
You say it sucks again and I'll kick you where the sun don't shine.
You mention Les Miserables often, ChgoCPA. Aren't there any other plays you enjoy? Macbeth? Music Man? Springtime for Hitler? 
While in London I saw Billy Elliot....it was terrific.
Back in the States I go to most of the Broadway in Chicago plays...as well as some local playhouses every few months. Not to mention I enjoy some of the off Broadway shows.
Rarely have I seen a poor performance...but just like I do the screening on hookers, I do the same when I'm going to see a play. Hence most would get a 10/10 from me LOL
The ex happen to like Les Miserables. So did the other ex. I fell asleep during the show though and fiddled in my seat cuz I wanted to get the f out of there quick.
Not my cup of tea.
There have been a few shows over the years that I struggled to say awake on as well.
I just saw Hello Dolly and had a really tough time with the first act...it picked up some on Act II.
I've seen Les Mis quite a few times...for some reason it just resonates with me. Maybe it's the story...or the music...or both.
I'm seeing Cats in another month or so at a theater in the round...and the last time I saw it was years ago on Broadway. I suspect it'll still be a great show, albeit in a more intimate setting.
Not my cup of tea.
Some people got lonely and looking / thinking about a companion? Just my guess
...it's so cold back East that people stay home and wish they a warm body to sleep with.
I dated two in the past, and wouldn't be so quick to do so again. They basically expected sex on demand...they even made me feel like I was 'working' in the bedroom, sometimes.
My relationship with a civvie was actually much more substantial...we had a strong friendship prior to dating...we enjoyed each other's company, with or without sex. But, even though it wasn't all about sex...the sex was better. A lot better.
I'd avoid the type of situation I found myself in before, but I wouldn't write off provider/client relationships in general. How I met the person wouldn't matter to me. I'd care more about how he treated me, what type of person he was, etc.
I don't know how I'd feel about him still hobbying...I think that if I quit, I'd want him to quit, too. A big reason for that is the risk inherent in this lifestyle. Aside from this, I don't live my life in a way that would put me at risk for STD's and I don't want another person's carelessness to give me something to worry about (or suffer from). Not that there are any guarantees in life.
When I hear things like that or think about doing that I always think back to the saying I heard in Bangkok, "you can take the bar girl out of the bar but you cant take the bar out of the bar girl" PS, just got home from Thailand!!!!
I wouldn't expect my partner to be. But I would want to know about it. Just like I would be honest with him about me wanting to experience someone else.
I am of the don't ask don't tell opinion, most of the time that is. When dating an active provider, I already know, but I don't want details. When dating someone who is an ex provider, I usually just don't want to know if she is still working, but I do expect the truth if I ask, just like if pressed I will tell the truth about other women. I don't bring it up, but unless I am in a committed relationship, it really shouldn't matter unless we are headed in that direction.
I am perfectly capable of monogamy, for the short term at least. I have been with enough women in my lifetime that the fascination of new pussy is not what it used to be, but that said, fucking the same woman, and only her, for the rest of my life seems unrealistic to me. Maybe I need take a page out of the 12 steps programs and only commit to one day at a time? Seems a lot more achievable to me.
...they wouldn't have created so many beautiful women.
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..in their civilian lives. One of my long-time faves and I have talked about this topic (from a purely theoretical point of view--neither of us have any "real-life" interest in the other). She's become sufficiently cynical about men in general that she seems resigned to not having an SO until she stops providing; and even then, she seems to have fallen for the "skewed data sample" problem--since most of her clients are married men, it "logically" follows that all married men cheat. I don't think that's true at all, but hey, I'm not gonna waste a lot of time on trying to change her mind.
No, not all providers have this liberal view of sex for their own relationships. Many providers are not naive enough to buy that most men are going to never stray for 50 damn years, but they also want to be selective with the type of men they are going to see for free. I don't have a problem being faithful, but I do have a problem staying with the same person for too long without becoming bored, annoyed, or staying turned on and attracted to that same person. Knowing that, if a guy cheated on me, I would probably not care. At the same time, I will probably not get into a relationship again with a man who wants to live together... I draw the line there. Marriage, sure. Same house? Fk that!