Just my dumb and possibly ignorant observation but I'm guessing it's somewhere about 60%~70% genetic/hereditary and 30%~40% outside factors contributing to the final orientation of the guy or girl. Reasoning is that if people are strictly born that way due to genetic/hereditary make up, why is it that woman are much more likely to be B/L than men who carry the exact same genetic/inborn traits?  

all of this rambling from a drunken Asian is not scientific.  

I've made an observation over the years that I have no scientific proof for...only my own experience around this topic.

No criticism intended, curiosity is one of the great gifts of life, but I am continuously surprised by the importance attached to this subject.

Why the constant hostility?    

Is to thwart any suspicion of their gayness. The more macho they seem or the more "into" women they act, detracts from what they really want and keeps their secret safe until they are ready to face it themselves.

A really good place to look for such answers is the Kinsey Institute.

and I'll get back to you

especially original threads like these that really don't contribute much to the forum.

we know that there are at least 2 morons... you and perfect.  

and only male-male or female-female relationships were considered socially acceptable, would you be one of those degenerates sneaking off to meet up with women as vile and twisted as yourself?

Where's your evidence?

Still trying to figure out how to send you a PM  lol

And do you really think I don't accept how people are the way they are?  I'm a very laid back chill guy, anyone who knows me well would attest to that.  

What you have not figured into your observations, DA, is that people who are LGBTQ have EVERY reason NOT to behave any other way than as a “normal” heterosexual; regardless of what our sexual/gender orientation is. The fact that ANYONE ‘comes-out’ is mind-boggling. But, obviously, we do—even though we have every reason not to—-other than the fact that: we can’t be happy living a lie in secret.  

I'll start by pointing out two very important things. First, I'm not gay and so I don't have any personal knowledge to share on this subject. Second, I'm not a,mental health professional and so I do not have any professional knowledge on this subject. And so, this is simply partial observation, partial opinion. I think that somewhere around 85-90% of claimed gay and lesbians are genetic. The other 10-15% I think are claiming to be to get attention, the shock factor.

So you're saying religious people converting to hetero are non genuine conversions?

I haven't thought of it that way but that could be possible.

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Why didn't you pick "stay strong pretty laydee@ Gmail. Com"?  

've some blanket statements on this board, but this takes the cake...

but I have to confess, "praying the gay away" is a ridiculous concept. They may be able to change the behavior, but you can't change the way someone is "hardwired"

In my case I am firmly hetero. Born and raised in the SF bay area, I grew up with gay people all around me, and none of it "rubbed off" You can dress up a man, or a dog or a child or anything or anybody else in as "sexy" a garb as you care to, and I am NOT going to be attracted to them. By the same token I am sure no matter how much you brow beat a gay  person into being attracted to the opposite sex, it's not going to take either.

We are what we are, as russ just said, it would be boring if we were all alike. Besides the more gay men there are, the more pussy left for me. win win. lol

what meaningful threads you've put up.  As for the list of morons, I'll happily join it.  Especially if it includes everyone on this board who thinks the same of Roddy.  Gosh, what great company you've placed yourself in. Keep up the excellent work.

Use some of their prophets words against them and they freak out and go on a rant. You don't get to pick and choose what applies to you and what doesn't if you believe in a religion, a sin is a sin and they are all equal, according to their own scholars. Just as with the Muslim extremists who are perverting their religion, they pick and choose and twist it to mean what they want it to mean.

Besides the more gay men there are, the more pussy left for me. win win. lol

id you actually read any of the info in the links I provided on reparative therapy? You're pretty sure they exist? Since you're pretty sure that sexual orientation can be changed, why are you so convinced that yours can't be changed?  

That "conversion therapy" won't work and nor does the opposite.

And still seek out the same sex to feel "normal". You (general) are assuming that nurture plays a big enough role as to switch an inherent sexuality to the one most socially acceptable.

You can't "teach" someone to be straight or gay.  We're wired from birth to a certain sexuality.  You can't change the wiring and you should not try to.  You should accept what you are and accept others for what they are.  This does't extend to pedophiles or stalkers or rapists.  Then there are shades of gray, meaning bisexuals.  Then there are transgender, etc.  It's all good, except for the pedophiles. And the judgmental idiots.

Would NOT be altered by the social norm. Until only a short time ago, our society viewed homosexuality as deviant. That's changing, but the pressures must surely still be felt by kids growing up.  

One: Pretending to be gay in an environment in which being gay would actually be shocking, is a good way to get your teeth kicked in—or worse. And, pretending to be gay in an environment in which being gay is not shocking, would be pointless.  

You seem to just ask questions on this board just so you can read what you own self has written. I think there is plenty of research that you can actually do (you know... read medical articles and facts for example) that would help you understand a lot of how sexuality and all its branches (orientation, behavior ... etc) works instead of asking that question here where people will give you not much more than their own opinions, and then you're just gonna claim you're right about your assumptions.  

are you pissed that you are part of that group named 'morons'? it's your own doing. go ahead and keep on acting like the playground bully that you are.

This is partly observation, partly opinion.

you just didn't bother to read them because the topics weren't worthy of a "train wreck".  

In the same way that someone has no choice in their sexual orientation (the OP's initial question), ask yourself if Fundamentalist bigots really have any choice in how they are orientated about their beliefs. Some minds require that perspective, and if that is indeed the case, their motivations for their behavior cannot be changed. If you ask a bible-beater what he would have to discover to make him change his mind about things, s/he'll tell you, "Nothing." All the evidence in the world won't change him/her. It's just the way some people are "hard wired."

And what a relief it is....lol..

You're hysterical.

I love it when they have to pat themselves on the back like this.  I think he just dislocated both "his" shoulders. ROFL!
Also fun how "he" compulsively comes back on each and every reply.  "He" just can't help "himself."

So why do you resort to ad hominem attacks?  

But he's working hard on his PhD now.  I can guess what this will be for.  

The topic of this discussion is "to what extent this is genetic".  

how people who are comfortable in their sexuality rarely go to great lengths to repeatedly announce they are heterosexual.  

Substance use in the gay community.  

I'm a non believer, I'm a realist. But I feel if it takes some people to believe in a god so that they'll treat their fellow man with dignity and respect then I'm all for them believing. Of course some people kill each other over the differences in their religious beliefs, and do so in the name of their god, the same god I might add. Other than the despise part I agree completely.

Rebellious teenagers (even college kids) with a hard-on for getting a rise out their parents... happen...lol...

Definitely genetic.
I had to buy them both dinner too.
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All I have done is repeat back you, what you have said yourself. You started this OP by throwing out a bunch of assumptions. Then you ask for opinions. But you preferred those opinions be backed up by supportable evidence.  

... and attribute the behavior of some "Christians" to all Christians?

Whether it's a genetic twist on DNA, a hormonal variation pre or postnatal, an evolutionary dead-end or some yet to be identified evolutionary advantage; whether it's hardwired, or environmental, or some complex combination of any or all of the above, or ....freakin' magic elves----- frankly, it's all irrelevant. Whatever it is, it is immutably and irrevocably unchangeable.  

... and also a serious question: why do some people love to talk about celebrating differences in people, when it's clear they celebrate only when they agree with the differences?