scenario surfaces does every one seem to suggest that the provider has HIV or some other STD? I know we live in perilous times, but statistically and assuming that your provider is not having unprotected sex with her SOs and/or unprotected porn sex, your chances are slimmer than when you screw those skeezers from the local watering hole. Most providers are STD conscious and except for those that want to spread the bad news, the likely culprit is the hobbyist. Just sayin.

Well, you took me to Boston and back with that answer but I appreciate the line of thinking and you had me until that last full paragraph. When you take HIV alone, the studies show that the other variables you list go out the window. Looking at the general population, when you take out gay males and IV drug users, the incidence cuts across all the variables you mention and for many different reasons. Someone said it best, condoms decrease the risk and nothing more. Most STDs can be traced to behavior and behavior alone. Anyone can confound the argument with statistics, but even you would have to admit that among reputable ladies, even with a higher number of sexual partners are less likely to give the gift that keeps on giving than some random tryst after a night of drinking. Back to my original assertion, why do most people on these boards seem to suggest that when a condom breaks, it's automatic that the provider has a STD? And, BTW, if we were only talking street-level prostitution, I would agree with your assertion of "high-risk." That aside, I think as you suggest that if one chooses wisely, the likelihood of having to deal with this scenario goes down even with the fact that she sees different partners over whatever period. If you stick your dick in just any knot-hole, you'll come back with more than just bumps and scratches.

Just like you, Fag-hag. Grow an opinion and then come back for yours.

What are the odds of catching an STD from a busted condom vs being hurt in an auto crash or slip and fall in the tub?

The average American female anonymously admits to six lifetime sex partners. Even at that, on average something like 70% of them have HPV and a pretty hefty percentage have HSV-2. Both of these diseases can be transmitted even without using a condom and can be transmitted with no obvious sign of their existence.

According to LGs survey, the average TER-listed provider has had sex with 860+ men. Not 6, but 860.

Even if we assume that there are cultural reasons why women would admit -- even anonymously -- to fewer sex partners than they really have; both populations would be affected.

If you compare two women side by side, each following safER sex practices, one has had 6 partners and the other has had 860 partners; the one with 860 partners is 143 times more likely to have contracted something.

This is why sex with prostitutes is classified as a "high risk" activity in the medical community.

I would like to THINK that dealing with really classy ladies is less risky than, say, dealing with a crack-addicted street walker; but the simple fact is that unless she waits six months and tests between partners; even the most classy and ethical of providers can pass diseases without even knowing if they simply hit the lottery wrong. Yes, many hobbyists never have a problem. But PLENTY of hobbyists HAVE contracted illnesses, even from low-transmission-risk activities like BBBJ.

It's a game of odds. And when comparing women with 6 versus 860 partners with comparable safER sex practices; the odds are simply less in your favor with the latter.

Look -- it's just common sense. If everybody were so pristinely infection-free; there'd be little point in condoms. But people insist on them for a reason!

Now on your comparison -- I don't think it is valid.

I don't and never have picked up loose civie women that will lay anyone who looks at them twice. Any civie woman I would have sex with would be someone with beauty, intellect and self-respect. She might be promiscuous to some degree, but if she is -- she religiously uses protection. As an example, my most recent civie sex partner is a college professor. I certainly didn't find her at the local watering hole and she is every bit as diligent about her sexual health as any professional sex worker.

Your comparison between a provider and "skeezer" is therefore not valid. It assumes that any hobbyist who would sleep with a civie woman would either have a preference for -- or only be able to get -- women with a disproportionate risk of STDs. STD rates break down into demographics based upon factors like income, educational level, etc. Any civie sex partners I have come from the right-side of the bell curve.

So, in short, I disagree.

After all, if a broken condom is no cause for worry -- why use it at all?

All true and I understand what you are saying. However, if you look the these threads (and there's dozens with a similar theme), the preponderance of these posts assume that if the condom breaks, they'll be exposed to STDs via of being with a provider.

How about you Madcow?

Unfortunately, we are not looking just at HIV. Granted, HIV risk for heterosexual males who don't do drugs is very small. But other STDs are just as problematic -- such as hepatitis. Some STDs, such as HSV-2 definitely DO follow a curve such that their incidence decreases with increasing socioeconomic status.

We agree that STDs can be traced to behavior and behavior alone -- after all, virgins don't get STDs; but it should be understood that behavior encompasses one's choice in sex partners. Promiscuity in and of itself -- medically defined as six or more unique partners annually -- constitutes a behavioral risk factor for STDs. Types of sex -- such as anal -- also translate to greater risks of certain STDs. Sex with prostitutes -- and the medical literature draws no distinction as to their price -- is also a risk factor.

I DO agree that what I would call a "reputable provider" constitutes less of a risk factor for disease transmission than a substantial portion of the civie female population. But I really have no idea what percentage of available providers would meet the definition of "reputable provider" as I'd define it.

Now to answer your original question -- when a condom breaks with ANY woman it is wisest to behave as though the woman was carrying an STD. The very act of using a condom at all can be seen as a "universal precaution" that makes a worst-case-scenario assumption.

The idea is that the hobby is only as safe as the people within it are conscientious and behave as though the worst-case scenario were true. If due to condom breakage, I accidentally have unprotected contact; my odds of exposure IF she has something just increased by thousands of percent. It wouldn't be the end of the world for me to convert current bookings to "no sex" dates for a few months just in case. I always get tested before appointments anyway (because I feel it is part of my job as a hobbyist to keep the woman as safe as I can); so after a few months if I still tested clean I'd go back to it.

Basically, that assumption does not reflect any particular belief in reputable providers being disease vectors, but rather our responsibility to our sex partners to keep them safe through employment of universal precautions based upon worst case scenario assumptions.

I strongly suspect that it is the VERY rare provider who refrains from sex for a few months due to condom breakage just to be on the safe side; but I wouldn't be completely shocked to find a couple of ladies like that out there; especially if they have other means of support.

I don't think they are suggesting providers have an STD. I think providers like hobbyist engage in high risk behaviors like having multiple sex partners. I also assume that many of ladies sex partners are also engaging is high risk behaviors like having multiple sex partners. She would be wise to think the same of me. It is true even if used correctly and with out braking condoms are not 100% effective at preventing anything. They just lower the risk.

Anyone who has multiple sex partners or has sex with someone who has multiple sex partners. Should get screened regularly and act like they or there lover may have an STD. True that most providers are STD conscious, but that did not stop me from getting chlamydia from a provider. I am now STD free but I did have sex with other people between my exposer and my positive test. I did spread it to my wife.

I never had uncovered full service with the lady who likely gave me chlamydia and the condom did not fail but I got it anyway. I got it from a BBBJ. Never had a symptom. I warned all my sex partners that I tested positive so they would know to go and get tested.

I would assume anyone I have had casual sex with may also be having casual sex with others and may have an STD. I would assume the same thing about civie ladies that are sexually active that I do about providers, that their at high risk for having an STD. And they should behave like I could have a STD as I too am at high risk. No one is saying any one has anything, but everyone needs to protect themselves just the same. I even use a cover with my wife as we are both high risk just like everyone else in this hobby.

Along with practicing safe sex, getting tested periodically, leading a healthy lifestyle so we all can stay healthy

Wikipedia® [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C_megadosage]
"Based on a study by the Nobel-Prize-winning chemist Linus Pauling and other studies, Matthias Rath, a German physician, argued publicly that high doses of vitamin C can be effectively used against viral epidemics such as HIV, SARS and bird flu."

Science Alert website [http://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=pjbs.2007.4327.4338]
"Antiviral action of vitamin C: A striking property of vitamin C is its ability to inactivate viruses and inhibit viral growth in their host cells. Vitamin C has been shown to suppress the human retrovirus expression in immortalized and transformed lymphocytic cell lines (Watson, 1994). It has been further proved that vitamin C is capable of inhibiting HIV replication in both chronically and acutely infected T cell lines in the absence of inducing agents, indicating that the compound (vitamin C) can directly interfere with specific steps in retrovirus replication in differentiated lymphocytic cells (Watson, 1994)."

if u think you got chlamydia from a BBBJ then your mistaken,

by Edward W Hook, MD, Feb 06, 2008 02:14PM
To: deltacom
Receiving oral sex and STDs from such exposures are rare.  As for specific STDs, there are a very small number of cases of gonorrhea transmitted this way.  When they occur, they are usually symptomatic, causing urethral discharge and burning on urination.  A little more common is nongonococcal urethritis (NGU) which may present with small amounts of discharge or burning as well.  Syphilis and herpes are only transmitted by people who have sores on their mouths and are rare.  Trichomonas and HIV are almost never tranmitted through oral sex.

Summary, overall risk - low.  HIV risk - close to zero.  WH

Link: http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/risk-of-STD-when-getting-a-blowjob/show/429587

sorry bud but it sounds to me as your wife may have given you chlamydia!

Unfortunately, some test like AIM do not test the mouth and some providers and most pornstars have std there, as such BBBJ is incredibly risky despite the belief of most hobbysts that BBBJ is safe.

I believe that seeing low volume(expensive providers) lessen the risk since their sexual partners are less than the mainstream providers.

Male chances of converting are about 250 to 1.  Female chances are much higher.
Cleaning immediately and thoroughly is highly recommended, especially if there are any wounds or rashes, as is clearing the bladder.  Females could consider douching, particularly with Betadine, but this is controversial.
If you're inclined to go much further, a four day course of Combivir twice daily should suffice, unless you're pretty positive that your partner has a raging case of HIV without viral suppression, in which case 30 days could be considered.
Prophylactic dosing with an herpes antiviral can also be considered

From the CDC web site,

"How do people get chlamydia?
Chlamydia can be transmitted during vaginal, anal, or oral sex. Chlamydia can also be passed from an infected mother to her baby during vaginal childbirth.

Any sexually active person can be infected with chlamydia. The greater the number of sex partners, the greater the risk of infection. Because the cervix (opening to the uterus) of teenage girls and young women is not fully matured and is probably more susceptible to infection, they are at particularly high risk for infection if sexually active. Since chlamydia can be transmitted by oral or anal sex, men who have sex with men are also at risk for chlamydial infection."


Fact number one the CDC thinks you can get chlamydia from oral sex. Fact number two the provider contacted me and stated she had an oral case of chlamydia. She did not have a vaginal infection. Fact three, the case of chlamydia my wife caught was also oral not vaginal. The fourth fact that leads be to believe I got it from a BBBJ all other sex acts were done with a cover. I test monthly for chlamydia as it is very common so this fact reduces the number of possible sources of infection.

The web site you referencing AIDS mostly when stating the risk is next to zero not chlamydia. Chlamydia was not even discussed. At any rate I believe the CDC over one doctors opinion, which he did not give about the spread of chlamydia through a BBBJ. My doctor and the STD clinic both also told me I could have got it through a BBBJ. I will grant you that I could have got it from a BBBJ from my wife, which is a provider, instead of the other lady. But my statement on getting it from a BBBJ from a provider would still be true.

Guess what you can get it that way, but it is rare.

www.americanchronicle.com states:

"Chlamydia- what about oral sex?

It is believed that if mouth to vagina or mouth to penis contact is made, it is difficult to get Chlamydia, but not impossible. It applies to penis to mouth and vagina to mouth contact. It is rare but not impossible. Common transmission takes place through unprotected vaginal or anal sex."

Facts are facts, and the fact is chlamydia can be spread through a BBBJ.

I'm certain a provider would be wearing condoms with her SO.  That goes without saying.  Its a lot like dental dams.  We are all using them, but there is no need to mention it every time.  

I knew someone a few years ago that has HIV and they did not take any vitamins.  I have been hoping for vitamin fortified, favored latex but it hasn't happened yet.  Every little bit helps, I say.

to assume a provider is NOT having unprotected sex with her SO. LMFAO!

It might go something like this?

being offered unprotected sex by a provider might be consisdered (depending on the provider) to be an invitation to become BF/SO. consider it an audition, if you will.

-- Modified on 10/30/2010 2:27:02 PM

but rather funny anyway.