I don't mind paying % to some agency for referral if I take the appointment.

But I have to be in control of taking or refusing said appointment.  And of course it is not going to be half of what I make.

"I'm want to turn some tricks. I think I better find me a pimp!"

Right? Usually it's the pimp trying to find the girls to work for him. Don't you think it takes a STRONG woman to take care of herself? I'm sure there are fears and insecurity, and immaturaty that gets played on by the pimp.

Back in the day a pimp use to earn his keep, espiceally if the hoe was a streetwalker. If you took a client to a hotel, or wherever, the pimp use to be right outside the door in case anything happened and he could rush in and save his hoe. That was then, this is now, and it's a new era. Now that everything is mostly done by computer what is the purpose of having a pimp. You do all the work posting and advertising yourself and what does he do? Take you to the call? So what. You can do that yourself or even a cab would be cheaper. And what does the pimp do besides sit in his car and hope you come out safely.  He's no where around when you are doing your call, which is why you have to call him when you are done, and you know he's taking off the minute you get caught up in a sting. Where is the safety in that?
Now I'm not talking about the dope hoes; they need a pimp to manage their money in hopes that he will continue to get her high. But you classy and educated women who can more than stand on your own, wasssup with that? Why do you give him all of your money and pay all of his bills just to be his last priority? First comes money, then cars, then jewelry, then you (if there's anything left). Why do you put up with that shit?

A pimp, is a pimp, is a pimp! Lay on your own frickin back for your money!

Looking back on your previous posts...

have a good grasp on how to write an ad. Shoot, some barely know how to use computers well enough to respond to emails! I can't imagine the ladies that have so many typos in their posts do much in the way of managing their own web site. Some ladies use computer competent men to do their advertising, it doesn't make the guy a pimp though.

I do understand what you are trying to get at, and I get that you don't like the girls who aren't independent, but what I don't get is why you are antagonizing pimps in general by posting this kind of stuff on the net? Are you intentionally trying to cause yourself problems by attracting attention from them? Have you considered the possibilities of what could happen as a result?

I'm sure it hasn't dawned on you yet, but it should, it really should.

I must agree with Missmarie, don't take for granted that in this day and age every provider is technology savvy.  I can assure you they are NOT.  There are many reason why a provider would need help to succeed in this vocation.  There are the potential language barriers, keeping up with scheduling, appointments, maintaining Web content, purchasing accessories, clothing, checking out and reserving in-call locations, not to mention screening clients, on top of all of this some providers are also raising kids which in itself is a full time job I could go on and on.   We live in a sophisticated new communication era and sometime it requires capabilities many may not possess.  Personally, I "like" to use business savvy independent providers who provide prompt response to my inquires and who are able to exceptional services, which is why I'm "very" comfortable with seeing providers who have personal assistants which I don't consider pimping but the final interpretation also implies a mutual dependency that works for them, so why not just go with the flow and enjoy your time together instead of questioning the motivations or reasons.  Finally, this is a business for many and I hope and expect they treat it as such because the risks, challenges and rewards are mainly determined by how they TCB .....

Agencies allow girls to be free from answering phone, reply emails, screen, and do ads for a percentage. I do not categorize such service as being pimps.

They just tryin' to get this money for the rent.

Poor pimps. Can't catch a break. Geeze.

that you complain about pimps then like most probably fish around in BP for the cheapest price knowing well that those are the one with pimps...

and hope to push the envelope their way. most ladies with experience know how to type and buy a gift card. The guys your talking about pick up women who are vulnerable and unshure of themselves.

There was a beautiful, young well known provider who was caught up in such a thing. I would have never guessed this was her secret life. No, she wasn't street, covered BJ and class all the way. Looking at the picture of the man involved "her so called pimp" you wonder why.

I would never consider an Agency a pimp. There are good and bad but most new ladies are safer going this route to learn the ropes. Sure there is a cost issue here as well...advertisement, extended black book of available clients, no back breaking evenings doing your e-mail, safer screening in most cases and someone to bail you out if you get in trouble.

If you refer to a So as a pimp, you for sure have lost that loving feeling altogether. We all need someone to hold and feel wanted and it is the nature of the beast to gooble if he can. Is a man in a relationship with a provider a pimp...Hell no ! But can a man in a relationship with a provider become lazy and become complacent...Sure, just like every other lover, husband, wife and friend

Kisses Haley

something about assistants, because I have had some negative feedback due to my use of an assistant. I have my own company that I am building, and a busy full life, so I employ an assistant to help with some basic tasks that are more time taking than productive. She has 2 sisters who have worked in this industry off and on over the years so she is also familiar with this hobby business of mine. Once I found out that information about her, I asked her if she would feel comfortable answering my phone for me when I am in an appt or busy working on a project that required focused concentration.

But she is just that, and ASSISTANT! No, she does not provide and will not if asked (she's been asked many times lol) she is actually a very nice gal, doesn't take crap from idiots, and does a great job at just about everything she does for me. She helps me stay organized and on track, and that is really needed with me. I can handle all the posting and technical stuff, I even build web sites.

but no one person can do it all alone, so for anyone to think that a successful independent provider has got where she is without some kind of assistance would be really ignorant.

From a purely emotional perspective, that is true. In the eyes of the law, promoting/assisting a provider in any way is tantamount to pimping. Ask anyone who has ever been arrested for such.

Personally, I wouldn't use either one but an agency is not the same thing as a pimp at all! If it's a legit agency it should have a set fee that is charged to the client per call; this doesn't change no matter how much the woman comes out with in the end. If the agency charges $100 per call (which is the normal rate) then that's all that they ask for once the call is complete. If a huge tip was given, that is the providers business only. The $100 was charged to the client for the call and they deserve their cut too. But if that agency is dipping into your tip jar then they are way out of pocket and need to be checked or else that too is definately pimpin".
Let me make an important note please. To each their own and I pass no judgement on anyone. If you are  down with pimpim' then that is your business and perogative and a tip of the hat to you. I'm a true renagade (an independant provider) and I was just interested on peoples take of the issue and I'm not trying to put anyone down. Either way, YOU GO GIRL!!!!!

Really? If you are starting to think that I have a pimp chip on my shoulder then might I ask which head you are using to think with? Try using the one on your shoulder more often (if you are a dude) and pay closer attention! I don't give a damn who a provider chooses to give her $ too because it's her $, I just don't think that pimps are necessary. That is my opinion and I am intitled to it. I was just making conversation; thought that's what the damn discussion board was for. My bad....NOT!!!

Hell yes, now that's what I'm talking about! I had a pimp years ago when I first started in the game. I was new to everything and truly didn't know or understand the game. I was told that you couldn't be a hoe without a pimp because it wasn't allowed. On the track, or hoe strow, if a pimp knows you are independent you are called a Renegade and they will literally try to bully, harass, and run you off the track. Either they do it or the cowards have their hoes do it for them! But once I learned the ins and outs of the game, I didn't understand why I needed a pimp or daddy. If you question them you get a beat down. I left that sorry MF the first time he put his hands on me. I'm out there risking my life and freedom for him to disrespect me in such a way...I don't think so. But they look for the ignorant, strung out, or low-self-esteem woman who will fall for their boring pimp  monologue. Personally, they email me all the time with their weak lame ass game and I can't believe that their are women who still fall for that crap.

Whatever dude! Of course I have thougt about it but I'm not worried about it because I will always speak my mind no matter what or who it may piss off. I'm real like that. That's what's up. But thank you so much for your concern about my well being.

Another good point! But I don't think that someone writing your ads or handling your image for you is pimping; I think it's good business and damn good money actually. In order to reach the more distinguished gentleman as a client you must first know how to communicate with them and if someones helping you with that then that's great and kudoes to you.

Yes they would. I too have employed a personal assistant for the exact same reason. However, my assistant also does my shopping and other tedious tasks so that I have more free time for my clients. I never let her answer my business phone, but my clients have her # to reach her and leave a message for me when I am busy. I think that assistants are awesome!

WTF are you talking about? I don't fish for shit! My prices are as they are because that is what I feel my service is worth. I don't give a crap what anyone is charging because they aren't doing what I'm doing anyway! Sure, they may be giving an erotic massage but I can promise you their style is nothing like mine. There's enough money out there for all of us and I hope ALL the working girls are getting theirs no matter what they wanna charge.
May I ask what you do for a living, dude! Are you a plumber that fixes toilets and such? If you aren't then you should be because that job would suit you well being that you are so full of shit! GTFOH!

Very enlightening, thanks. Now see those are points that I did not think of, hence the reason the question was asked in the first place. Stay intelligent and safe whoever you are.

I'm really not trying to be hard on anyone, just making conversation. You're reply had me rolling! Excellent comeback dude! LOL for real!

And I could tell you were a strong, sharp woman. Somethin' told me you had learned a thing or two in the 'school of hard knocks' as they say.
I like your style DevaDevine! I hope you stay around this board a while.



HalfHour

Very few women work the streets. All the famous areas were basically shut down long ago.

Now the MO, is to book inexpensive rooms is budget motels. Not the rundown, seedy one that girls on the street might take you to for an hour.
But the lower priced budget traveler ones that are alway near the freeways and airport.

Some of the pimps have operations in a few cities. They rotate the girls every few weeks, swithing motels and cell numbers when they do. This hekps keep LE off their tail, and also helps keeps the girls dependant on them, a pimp's stock in trade.

Pictures posted are often innaccurate. But with $40qk, $80hh, $120hr,(or less) most guys just figure to hell with it and stay.

Everyone talks about scam and robs and TGTBT. Which does happen in those ads. But for the most part, these girls provide the service (covered everything)like they are told.




HalfHour

don't appreciate their hard work. if you would of asked your question in a proper and intelligent way, you may have gotten better answrs but it sounds like you are pretty judgemental period.
I don't see why anyone would degrade anyone who has a job and works hard!
if they own a company and its a plumbing company is that make him better than the employee? how about a garbage man? are they garbage to you cause of the job?