Full Disclaimer:  The following thesis proclaims that the Internet put the "power" in the hands of the Providers and put Hobbyists at a disadvantage.  


Well, I am prepared to get screamed out for this one but hey when you are dedicated to this lifestyle you take the Sugar with the SH--.

Working with several different professional clients on discrepancies in market data (this pertains to my real job not my informal job of being a fully dedicated PERVERT).  Anyway, as I was discussing the data with clients it occurred to me HOLY SHIT that was "life" before TER and the Internet.


*  Providers now have access to other Providers information and adjust their price accordingly.  So if a Provider sees that others in her market charge a premium for Greek.  She adjusts her price accordingly (for the clueless the price goes up! duh).  Whereas before a guy like me once got a mean blow job and GREEK for $30 (circa 1991 in my mom's Ford Tempo).  Damn the good ol days (i miss em).  Score 1 point for the Provider.  Zero points for the Horny Hobbyist.  Hey I would have paid more but I said $30 and she took it.  Don't you judge me dammit.  BTW this phenomenon is known as dark markets and lit markets should you ever choose to work in financial markets tell them Ridgetucky sent you.

*  Women are catty (and somewhat insecure).  There I said it.  Hmm uh - insert neck roll here.  What does this mean?  Say you have a girl who would never think of Providing pre - Internet.  She says streetwalking and escorting.  No thank you.  But she goes online views the pics of other Providers and reads the reviews.  She then says damn those hoes!  I am much prettier and ergo I have to be a better FUCKKK.  So whereas the average price for GFE may have  been $100 (depending on the year/city).  She says my "STUFF" is worth double that amount (thanks to pricing information freely available on the Internet).  Thus, prices go up.  Why?  Providers now have access to information.  Thus creating a negative feedback cycle for the Horny Hobbyist.  Negative feedback cycle = Providers keep pushing the price up based upon catty behavior (i.e., that bitch is charging $200 well I will charge $250, OH NO SHE DIDN'T charge $250 I will charge $300, etc.)  Damn the good ol days (i miss em).  Score 1 point for the Provider.  Zero points for the Horny Hobbyist.

*  Reviews were meant for the Hobbyist put quickly became great information for the Provider.  Say you had $300 burning a hole in your pocket due to your engorged 3rd head.  You arrange a date with a Provider.  She goes online reads your reviews and thinks "that guy is too kinky, expects too much, etc."  

((Or this is my favorite.  I once arranged a date with a Provider gave her a reference then she replied "if you expect the same kind of kinky performance from me that you got from her don't bother arranging a date")).  DAAAAAAAMN!!! guess she told me)).  It's cool we met and I rimmed her and licked her "tramp stamp"


She then refuses to take a date with you.  She didn't win (no $$$ for her but some other schlub is just as horny so maybe she did win).  But you definitely lost!  Why?  Maybe you like redheads that are into Greek (my personal favorite).  She was the only one in your area but now you have a date with 5 finger Sally.  Reviews were meant for the guys but the girls quickly used this information to their benefit.  Market has become "inverted" (i.e., up is down and down is up)  Damn the good ol days (i miss em).  Score 1 point for the Provider.  Zero points for the Horny Hobbyist.

* Competing businesses "talking" to each other to control the market is illegal elsewhere in the American economy.  Providers have back channels to discuss you and me (probably calling me a big fucking asshole).  That was NOT possible in the good ol days.  Whereas safety information should be shared and shared freely.  I bet my left arm other issues are discussed in these back channels.  Like?  He doesn't tip. (didn't realize she was a waitress  He takes a long time to cum (ergo don't take the date).  He cums quick (ergo EZ $$$ for the Provider).  All of this information can be used against the Buyer.  Imagine going into Walmart to buy a bag of oranges (ok a pack of condoms) and the cashier had all of your buying information from your purchases at Target and used that information against you.  How?  Fuck if I know but I don't want them having it.  Score 1 point for the Provider.  Zero points for the Horny Hobbyist.

Here is the kicker information that was meant to help the Hobbyist is given to the Provider for FREE.  At least I think Providers don’t pay for TER.  But they will never share that information now will you

Discuss amongst yourselves Please

I will admit that reading what you just wrote made me stop and think. I am not going to question anything you said here because obviously you know your sh*t.  However, at the end of they day am I not the one who holds the $$$ and therefore really hold the power?

they NEED the money that's why they do it.we don't need to hire escorts as consumers we can go elsewhere.

we don't want to, and we have access to the same information you do? That's life..deal with it. You are damn right I am not going to see a guy who is into things I don't provide...what would that gain either one of us? He would be disappointed that he paid and did not get what he expected, and I would be pulling my hair out thinking "Damn, this is not even worth the money!"

FYI, I pay for VIP on TER as well as other sites, so yes you do in fact have to PAY to be able to read all the reviews...providers as well. I think I pay 75 bucks for 3 months...so, what's that to you?

Yes, the review sites were intended for the guys and still are...not the same thing as the discussion boards. You should be happy when a provider saves you money by telling you, she does not think you are a fit. What's the alternative? You pay, are no happy, and give her a bad review. I will just go with the first option of telling you to see someone else.

Your last rant on here did not win you any brownie points, and I doubt this one wil either. Here's a clue...if you don't like the way the hobby works, go pick up a chick at the local watering hole or jack off. Seems simple to me. You're not going to change the way anyone does things here, so it's a moot issue.

Not all provders have to cater to YOU...we will see who we want, and whom we feel is even worth taking money from. Quite frankly, some of you need a mommy more than you need a hooker.

-- Modified on 10/4/2012 7:03:57 PM

your one of my home boys, good to see you here, but, wtf are you talking about?? ( too much reading in that post for us simpletons )
Hey, go see LR when she's in OH, you will forget all about whatever it is, that your venting about in the above thread.

ps, see u guys when i get back.

Careful....i recommended a visit to LR while she's in Ohio....LOL.
He just needs some good lovin like the rest of us.....

we have clearly established. Why does it have to be a power thing or hobbyist AGAINST provider? Can't we all just get along lol. Geez....some people need to get laid and maybe a script for xanax.

When you get grumpy and go off on someone...I would actually pay you to berate me.

... that you aren't referring to the oil companies?

Sounds like your poor attempt at a thesis is geared more towards the oil companies than providers.

Folks, think about it...

I remember WAY back that the price of gas was... drum roll... 75 cents a gallon!

Guess what? Using the same marketing techniques that you have described, Ridgetucky, the oil companies have been screwing the consumers BIG TIME, but yet, I don't see you complaining about it.

If you don't want to pay those "high" prices... move to Thailand. I hear it's far cheaper there. Oh yea, those 20 year old Thailand girls look like they're only 12, hmm... maybe they are. Go and visit Thailand and when you're done... post some reviews so that you can get your free 15 VIP days.

Serpius

Hmmm, I am not sure I believe all of that. First I think a fair number of women wouldnt be doing this without access to TER and the internet. You are less likely to be arrested or robbed, you can see if pictures are real and whats on the menu. I for one wouldnt be involved in this hobby without ter ect.
     There still are $100 girls on backpage but I really believe you get what you pay for.

Plenty of $ 30 streetwalkers still out there.

Go and preach to them that they can market themselves here...post some glam photos...do a pro web site

And then charge $ 750 for a session.

Maybe if you want, become the pimp and run the agency as well?

I always though that a GFE should include the provider yelling at me for leaving my shoes in the middle of the floor, crying because I didn't notice her new purse, making me beg for sex, and telling me how useless I am...

LR, it would be a privilege for me to have my first real GFE from you!!!

OPEC - Organization of Providers Escorts and Concubines is a worldwide cartel of hookers with the singular mission of atificially fixing the market price for nookie. Like our more famous namesake, we control the amount of pumping allowed to take place in order to drive up the price.

Here are some thoughts on your post.

1.  The internet has made pricing very transparent, just as Edmunds did the same thing for car prices.  But this is better for the consumer, because the market is well-defined.  I don't really see how this is bad for us, because otherwise you are suggesting that before the internet, women actually underpriced themselves and left money on the table.  I would take the other side of that argument all day.  If you found an outlier in the past, great.  But outliers don't exist for long, because if she were doing it for a below-market rate, she likely went to other guys for more money, and found out that you were being cheap.  And, as a result, she became unavailable.

2.  People in general are catty and somewhat insecure.  I don't think girls are providing because of the internet, though.  I think it's just the economy and an easier way to make money fast.  The circumstances dictated that she did this, as opposed to her waking up one day and deciding she wanted to be a provider.  Again, this is the same point as your first point.  Markets are efficient, and if you are just bitching about the internet fucking it up, you need to get with the times.

3.  Reviews are for everyone.  Again, I point to transparency.  Reviews can also work to our advantage.  A provider reads that $500 is the going rate for GFE in NYC, but thinks she is worth $700.  But then she sees that the girls who are getting the most reviews are offering more for less.  That corrects his pricing.  You are only looking at the cheap, lower, underpriced segment of the market.  Look at the other side, unless you don't play in that sector.

You really are looking at this from a one-sided point of view.  I have seen this all used to our advantage as clients.  If there is transparency, women will fall into the general market.  Now, if you can't play at market rates, then you're the outlier, and perhaps the best bargain hunter of all time.  But that shit does come to an end at some point in time.  Arbitrage doesn't exist for long in an efficient market.

Information is shared among clients, too.  I'm not sure why you are so one-sided about this.

Cause youre now on every TER provider DNS list.  You have hereby been informed.

Agree with crazyshit.  Really well put, although I think the Internet has made the market safer and easier for both providers and hobbyists to join in the market.

Also, Ridgetucky seems to have a very, very odd view of the nature of efficient markets.

Halleluah for the internet and TER which I HAPPILY PAY for to avoid crackpots like you--I could not read your review if I didn't pay for VIP where-as, as a hobbyist, you submit two reviews and you get FREE access to the juicy details...but I see your point from your perspective.
However, when I think of how many lame fucks I've had in my life from those that got it for free (didn't realize I was perfecting an artform, go figure) as a cross section in my experience in general a much higher percentage of men care little to nothing about the woman's experience which is why you see us getting all fucking stupid when we find a good one, ha ha...AND the fact that men generally get paid more for doing the same job in almost every market, I have NO problem getting a fair rate for my time.  What I think is so fantastic about the hobby is that we can finally just set aside the malarky and say fair's fair...you want this, I want that, let's trade...no emotions, but can be really fun if you do due diligence.  Housewives have been getting paid for centuries...they just have the one client, who may or may not need some extra he pays for on the side.
I refuse to deal with men to whom money is even an issue...and when you have plenty of money I think frankly you SHOULD pay for it since you can afford it and that way dictating exactly what you want and getting it and not having to worry about giving back (strictly speaking O's) is all good, we all win...and when you have kinks and unusual desires you should definitely find someone to whom the price is right...not all of us are in the biz to cater to fetish and be used like a blow-up doll so why would you want to show up somewhere that your business isn't desired? Would be bum deal for everyone involved.
ps. don't jump on me, I have plenty of clients who's PREFERENCE is to get me off and of course I will accomodate them (lol) but lots of men totally don't care and they shouldn't have to...but in civvie life, they should dammit, ha!

Seeing your kissin' cousin who is pregnant with your baby and you are giving her money for her pre-natal vitamins does NOT count as seeing a "real" provider.

Real SPs even in the late 80's were charging 250 an hour and up and if you wanted Greek it was an extra 500-1000 and there was no kissin', unless of course you count your kissin' cousin.

Reviews and boards have for the most part, IMHO, worked in the favor of the mongers, as it has been used as a playing field to insist on cheaper rates and more action through well staged pressure and the ability to impression young minds or those on the brink of desperation who were just entering the hobby and its still happening today through the use of post such as yours.

Which is true in some sense for CERTAIN buyers in the market.  This is true for arcane things such as CDOs and for very sophisticated. buyers such as hedge funds.  So I can understand he is looking at this hobby as being arcane because info was sparse due to its illegal nature.  And he probably likened himself to a hedge fund.  Gotcha.

Where he comes off wrongly is in saying that this is good for ALL buyers.  Nope.  Yes, the uber-sophisticated buyers got a better deal when this was opaque, but now that there is transparency, Ridgetucky complains because he is now priced out.  In a sense, he has become priced out because he is not one of the really good "hedge funds" who can STILL find the bargains even in a very transparent market.  I pointed to the Tiger Global fund as an example.  Every year, they manage to crush it.  

And there are hobbyists who still find arbitrage now.  He just isn't one of them, evidently.

that once were in the 80s or some shit. It's called inflation...simple. He wants quality poon to serve his every demand for less than 200. They are out there I am sure, but very rare.

When I came into this business I decided how I would run it and what I would charge. YES I checked out the other ladies rate, but that is in the hobbyists favor. Because if it was up to me I would ask for much more, but I keep it at a competitive rate. If you are spending 30.00 then ou are in the back corners and the alleyways and I am not familiar with that world or that type of provider. You CAN still see those irls for cheap. Maybe you have to throw in an extra 20.00 but hey, you are happy right?

 Thank god for these boards. We are people, human beings, not just f*ck holes so thank god we have these websites to refer too. I am glad that I can contact who you saw previously, and I am my own person and I can choose who to see and who to pass on. It works both ways.

 You should be thankful for these boards too if you want to get great service. Many girls are the way they are because we know there's a good chance the client will review us or talk about us online.

 You seem like you are only worried about paying as little as possible and having your way with the girls without her knowing what your into.

And this is a different "business" then others. Sorry you just can't compare it to Target. And girls on the street certainly did and do talk to each other and pass information along. Instead of names you are singled out by the type of car you drive or by your particular "thing you do or like sexually".