Ie, if you were to see him and he were to leave a review he'd likely to lower your average scores.

"Tough grader" can mean one of two things: honest feedback and critiques, or just your run of the mill asshole. There are a lot more important criteria I use to determine if I will see a client, their reviews are pretty far down on my list. I don't care one way or another if someone writes a review of me, so I would never give a stipulation of not writing one, not a factor for me. Honestly first impressions are HUGE, so in the first message I want to see from a gentleman is that he is polite, cordial, respectful, honest, and to the point. The run of the mill assholes usually are going to weed themselves out with this basic criteria, so even getting to the session and a review are going to be an obstacle for the run of the mill assholes to accomplish. So, in closing, I do not entertain run of the mill assholes so I am not concerned with run of the mill asshole "tough graders."  

So you rule out the “tough graders” before they ever get to writing a review.  Have you ever read a review and decided the guy was an asshole based on the content of his review?

Nope, not what I said. LOL  
I rule out ass holes, not "tough graders."  
And yes, I have read reviews by guys that I could tell just by he way they write their reviews that they are assholes. Assholes write their reviews just to hurt the feelings of the provider,  they are not writing the review to give feedback or constructive criticism. There are also people that you can never please no matter how good of service is provided, which you can also see in the review. Just be honest and state of facts.  

Understood that this directed to Scarlett but felt compelled to chime in.  

"The first message I want to see from a gentleman is that he is polite, cordial, respectful, honest, and to the point."

So first you classify a client into a category, and then make the decision based on that category.

Some reviews I read & I hit the like button. I am looking for chemistry, so if I read reviews that are derogatory, degrading, or just rude I tend to shy away from those individuals. Why would I want to share my time with anyone who does not love & appreciate the hard working women of leisure? Aka SW  

No, I do not make a decision just based on reviews. If you look at the whole state of Wisconsin there is an average of maybe 2 or 3 new reviews a day, and there probably are about 500 providers in the state, just not that many guys write them anymore. Unless a guy specifically tells me he has an account here and has written reviews I am not going to ask or go out of my way to look for reviews.

This is an interesting question! I do take the time to check out reviews because they can provide insight into a potential client’s preferences and expectations. That said, I’ve never declined an inquiry solely because someone seems like a tough grader. However, I have noticed a correlation between tough graders and the level of difficulty they present during the screening process—for example, not providing all the required information upfront or negotiating screening practices, trying to bypass deposit policies, or not honoring cancellation fees when canceling last minute.

Thanks for the follow up response as well!

It's always great to hear what providers have to say. And insightful too. Much appreciated!

Nobody ever give him credit for anything ,so he sees  venting  on providers as a way of  hitting back.  
When I see good providers with one or two negative reviews - the  red flagi  is  on that client in my views, and so investigate further.  

What do you mean good providers with negative reviews?

Preach sister!

Why do you need to make excuses? If that’s how you feel just tell the person.

I don't think Boobsman inherently places more trust in providers than reviewers. I think Boobsman is talking a particular kind of reviewer, not every reviewer. I think he is describing a trend I have noticed.
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I like to read reviews and I always start with the highest ratings and lowest ratings to set expectations. This approach has worked well for me over the years. Sometimes I've noticed that the guys with higher ratings are paying for premium services while the guys with lower ratings have  tended to pay for shorter sessions or didn't pay for upcharges like GFE or Greek. I tend to align my expectations with my intentions. If I book a short stay I won't expect a 9 or a 10, but if I book a more expensive date I'm not going to listen to the guy booking a half hour. I also listen more to guys who like the same things I do. I check a reviewers history to see in general what they are looking for. Over time I have been able to assess the credibility of certain reviewers. I'll even research providers they have seen and reviewed well.
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Sometimes there will be providers with a good overall average score with one or two very negative reviews. I'll check the review history of a negative reviewer. I'll see very few, if any, good or great scores. Their reviews are very negative and can be 3 or 4 points below the average. Sometimes I'll notice they gave a negative review to a provider I had seen and previously reviewed. After a while I have recognized a few of these guys and have learned to discount everything they say. I have been rewarded. When it comes to reviewers there are simps and there are scrubs. You have to learn to sort through both of them because they both like to be very loud.

One provider I wanted to see did this, she wasn't sure that she wanted to see me because I hadn't reviewed anyone like her before. I was able to put her at ease and we had a great meeting. She retired years ago.  

"could be completely honest about their sessions and have drastically different experiences and different scores (ie one negative and one positive)?"

The first question, may I remind, was how he determined a provider is good. Is it by majority of reviews being good? We just had a provider who had all of her reviews being great, and then it turned out it was a scam.

There are a few reasons I would avoid telling clients I’m not seeing them based on review history.  First I simply don’t feel the need to debate their behavior. I have found that many would simply turn around and argue that they will treat you better, that they aren’t really that way, etc.  However get them behind closed doors and those behaviors tend to show.   I also don’t want these guys getting angry and retaliating in any fashion, like writing a fake review, if I refuse to see them.  I don’t want to discourage them from showing their true personalities in their reviews as I like the insight that helps me have enjoyable dates.  

Good answer. It’s certainly a situation where a diplomatic tact is better than a blunt one.

You wrote a post on a public forum, not a DM so anyone can reply. Those are the rules. You're getting unsolicited answers from the peanut gallery whether you like it or not. Anyway, to answer your question, there is only one way to find out if a provider is actually good or not. That is to see one. That is the whole point of this endeavor. We're looking for people to have fun with. However, this whole endeavor is risky and expensive so we use reviews to get the best bang for our buck. Maybe in your mind, the best reviewed providers with the best scores aren't necessarily the best. There are always outliers but my experience is completely different. The best providers tend to have consistently great reviews. I said earlier you have to avoid the simps and the scrubs, you also have to avoid the scams.  
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Nobody here is getting influenced or swayed. We're simply gathering information to determine who or what is right for us. I'm not talking about discounting bad reviews, I'm talking about discounting information from certain reviewers. There's nothing wrong with a negative review and they are very helpful (which is why I read them). However, would you ask a vegetarian to review a steakhouse? There are reviewers with a lot of negative reviews and I wonder if they even enjoy doing this. On the other hand, there are guys on here that really enjoy the company of providers. Which opinion do you think I prefer?

Women love assholes

never joined a thread and answered questions posed to someone else (we ALL know you have), so what is the point of leading with that on this one?  

Let him answer the questions I posed.

but are you trying to convince others that when most mongers have a positive experience, and you have a negative experience, there are times when YOU will be one who's right, and everyone else is wrong?  

Tiannas way is simply lying to the client, how is it "diplomatic"?  

And he loves the movie and I don't like it, it doesn't make anyone wrong or right. We both saw the movie and had our own evaluation and explanation why its good or bad.  

Or else you are dodging it.  I'm not talking about a two-person disagreement.  If you see a provider that has ONE review, you have a 50% change of agreeing or disagreeing with the reviewer.  If you see a provider with ten reviews and one is negative, you have a 90% of agreeing with the majority, or a 10% change of agreeing with the minority.  Which odds do you like better?  I'm still going to write my own review and go with my own opinion, but the sole reason for the visit is not the review, its the hot session with a lovely woman.  A mostly positive review history that's giving me the opinions of other like-minded mongers merely stacks the odds in my favor that I will have a good time, and this has proven to be the case time after time.  

http://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/ad-populum-fallacy

Binary thinking, so the only solution is for you to choose providers in a way that works for you, and I will choose a way that works for me.  Since you posted once that about half of all the sessions you have are disappointing, compared to about 2% for me, I would think it would behoove you to be a little more open-minded, but there is no getting your eyes off the windmill.  Joust away.  

It's not academic cdl, it's applicable to ANY aspect in life.  

Let me let you in on a little secret. Sometimes people lie. Shocking, I know. But where I draw a huge difference is between someone that lies to deliberately hurt someone versus a lie when not lying will cause more agg and heartache. Tianna gave you VERY good reasons as to why a provider may have to lie to a client here and there. Just bc YOU don't see the issue down the road that her experience and spider sense tells her will occur if she doesn't lie, doesn't mean it's not a real thing.
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Yes, in a perfect world people shouldn't have the need to lie but as you know (but as I think about it, you may not) our little world of ours isn't perfect. And when you scale it down even further, to just the corner of the world that deals with p4p, it becomes even less perfect for many.
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For all the great clients out there, and providers will universally tell you that that is the vast majority of them, there are some real obsessed assholes, creeps, stage 5 clingers and psychologically damaged men. Now before you go off on your tit for tat argument (pun intended) yes, there are evil and mentally ill providers as well. Any decent girl in the biz will tell you they have run across a few women here and there that would fall into that camp.
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Point being is that YOU dont have to deal with the ramifications of a 100% truth policy. But Tianna, and virtually every provider does. There are some guys that can make the girl in question life much more difficult as she states. She wants to evade arguing with a stranger on the internet. A guy that she does not know if he is mentally stable or not. She wants to avoid getting that revenge laced fake review that would cause her heartache, pain, aggravation and potentially hurt her purse.
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Seriously, does all this REALLY need to be said to you??? Oh THATS right. You're the guy that thinks p4p is governed by the FTC. Here's a helpful hint...don't be that guy.

What did you say cdl?

I actually barely criticized Tianna. I do think by lying she gives a client false hope that there's a chance and he might keep on trying. Wasting everyone's time. Imo she could just say no I won't see you bye. But again I'm not enforcing my opinion on her.  

You and I don't always agree, but this is one of your best posts.  You even prompted me to look up the 5 stages of clinging again. Lol

Ask the board how many people will choose to see a provider who has a greater number of negative reviews than positive.  As Smoke said, we use reviews to HELP us decide who see so that we get the best bang for the buck and don't waste that money.   I know I wouldn't see one like this unless that negatives were loaded on the front end when she started (which often happens with new providers while they are learning their craft) and the more recent reviews (last 6-12 months) are much better (which means she figured it out and has improved).

You say "Imo she could just say no I won't see you bye." Don't you think she tried that in the past? Ask any provider and they will tell you it's not nearly as easy as you think it is or would like it to be. Again, this is a real world thing vs. how you think the world works.  
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The follow up from the guy would be "What? Why wont you see me?" and he may not walk away for 5 or more emails trying to get her to explain herself. It's just easier to do what she did. That is her experience on how to deal with those matters. You don't have to ever deal with a client in this realm so give her some slack and acknowledgment that she does what she does for her reasons based on her numerous interactions with potential clients. That should be good enough for you. It certainly is for me.  
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With regards to CKS "diplomatic tact" point, don't you think that is VERY petty? Whether or not he used the exact, perfect verbiage to state his point is up to others to decide as I could care less, but any rational person would understand what he meant. You are taking him WAY too literally and I think that is most likely due to the fact that you two feud here often. Isn't THAT the real reason why you were so incredibly picky about his post? That's how it came off to me.

Unless they are hard up for cash, no professional, of any service,  would knowingly see a potential client who has a consistent history of writing negative reviews.  I use that term instead of "tough grader" because that's essentially what it is in the eyes of the provider.
Who needs that?
The reason providers don't delist is so they can use their reviews for marketing.

You are correct when you say that in the scenario described, I am lying. I’m ok with doing so to avoid the drama and potential negative fallout from being truthful.  

You seem to have a hard time with nuance. A lot of your comparisons fall flat because there are differences, sometimes subtle and sometimes obvious. The first difference is that watching a movie is a fairly passive experience. You just sit there and watch it. You can't change how the movie ends who was cast in it. Meanwhile hiring an escort is an active experience. You are an active participant and have an impact on how it goes. If you show up un-showered with bad breath  and a bad attitude you're probably not going to have a good time. The other issue is, not every movie is meant for every person. Lets say that movie you're describing is an action movie and the 10% of people who hate it don't like action movies. Well, they're not wrong but the movie is not for them. If I love action movies, I'm going to listen to the 90% and not the 10%. You are completely correct that the 10% isn't wrong since everything is a subjective experience. That's why some sources are more trustworthy than others.

How long you been around; you don't good providers. Who do you date. You should be asking yourself those questions.  As for me I certainly know good providers - I have dated many of them and there are many more that I would date.
I have been around  and am telling you,some people just got to give a bad grade no matter what. Does every client does it - absolutely not. Does it happen all to often absolutely yes. Well how do I know this. Here are a few examples : look at the reputation of both  the provider and the client .Talk to the provider to hear her side ,because the platform does not allow rebuttals to reviews.
As I always said good Providers (if you know what that means) don't have a good reputation and get great reviews consistently  by accident .  
So as I said before, and as often I have seen it - investigate first. Am not going to accept the reviews of cheap ass clients who book a 15 minutes date and want to cram all services in that time frame for example, when all she offers is a blow job in a 15 minute date. Or, he the clients showed up being fucked up in one way or another. These are just a few scenarios, hope it helps you.Again ,am talking about GOOD REPUTABLE PROVIDERS -If you know what that means yet,

Thank you for breaking it down for him.If that does not explain if for him ,then he is either a slow learner or one of the guilty culprits,

Very clever Tianna, that's a subtle way of avoiding a shithole client who would unjustly hurt your reputation.

As a client who often read reviews before booking dates,I see that problem very often.  Many of them are cheap clients who often wants more for less.

Totally agree with you WIMissScarlet . I actually wrote a response to the original tread without reading through your responses,  As a client I often skim through reviews of reputable providers for help in making the dating decision.  
Some people just have to give a bad grade no matter what .....seen this far  too often . After I investigate, I often  realize the problem is with them, the client.  Either too cheap wanting more for less ,or they are just fucked up in one way or another.  

on his overall history. I look at reviews that he's done to first see if he's ever provided a good review. If he hasn't that is a red flag. Also, for girls he has reviewed, where does his review fall within the average ratings that the girls have? For example there's nothing wrong with a guy giving a low score to a girl who consistently has low scores but if the girls you see are pulling mostly 9s and you're always at least 2 - 3 points below their average? Yeah I'd rather not see you because you're likely just out to artificially reduce ratings.

No, it's not petty.

So if a provider wants to do the least for maximized amount of money that's OK, but if client wants a lot for th least amount of money that's bad?

Lol You always want to make this occupation special when it ain't.

then it is because they were not looking for the same things in a provider that the 90% were looking for.  For instance, if you are looking for a girl that has a lot of piercings and the provider you selected only has one, it stands to reason that you will grade her lower.  It doesn't necessarily make you "wrong" it just makes you out of step with the majority.  However, the review is only useful to the majority if the reviewer TELLS us in the narrative of the review that he graded her down because he was misled into believing she had more piercings.  Many low-scoring reviews never state why the score was lower than her average and so it is often assumed by the reader that it was a negative review when the reviewer did not intend it as such.  

Actually you are not entirely correct . Just like how a provider screen clients ,' red flag clients' or not, you have the right and opportunity to screen the providers you see as well,to make sure she offers what you're Looking for.  

I also dont get "screening" example. Providers screen for safety. That's perfectly reasonable and understandable.  

When there are YEMV providers, below par sessions can happen, a roll of the dice that day and time!
I had a Fuckin' great first session with a Jgirl, so I went for a second session, and it was worse than just a dud session.
She did a complete 180, walked out after 15 minutes.
IMO, most reviews have some value, you just have to be able to pick out the info that's has value to you!

From my experience it’s best to avoid negative people. If all or most of the clients reviews are negative he is probably an angry negative person. Those clients usually cancel appointments last minute, or show up too early or too late for the appointment and overstay an extra 30-hour without tipping, their hygiene is usually bad and they refuse to shower or brush their teeth so of course they would not receive the best service due to that. I have personally never had a client write me a bad review who arrived on time and clean and respectful.

What score is considered a bad review to you? I had a provider tell me one time. She didn’t care what I put in it. As long as it was 10s.

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Actually to me a low grader would take an 8/8 provider and give her 7/7 or less ( or something else similar)  and a high grader the reverse .  
I am not disagreeing with you on those whose behavior “earns?”  A providers a low score but there are just some that will write a glarining narative , urge others  to run not walk to see you and then score a full point in each category low.

I’ve seen some when the guy is super happy she’s great etc etc. Then he gives 6/6. I don’t know. If I was the one offering the service that would frustrate me.

So any score that’s not 9 or 10 will slow the business down a lot it doesn’t matter how great the actual review itself is. (Also some of my reviews say I’m the most amazing provider they’ve ever been with but the scores are 8 so it doesn’t help the business much)I’ve been told by most clients that they just pick off of the score itself and they don’t look for providers 9 or lower. So I’m assuming anything under 9 is not good

Yes it is quite frustrating because any score under 9 slows down the business..(thank god for regulars) so the great review is nice but the small score puts the provider lower on the list so not sure if the review helps

..in the past because some ladies didn't like my reviews.. The smarter ones were those that nicely asked be ahead of time if I would consider not submitting one.. I kindly obliged.  

Although I doubt the providers who declined to see you believe they just endured a lose-lose situation.

Is anyone here familiar with my suggestion to switch to X-out-of-Y Scoring ? I think it's a 10-out-of-10 Suggestion!
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It's a quirk of the TER system that the MAX score is based on specific things that transpire during a session. Not everybody agrees on TER's "extra points" criteria so many meetings have a MAX score of only 7, 8, or 9 and no chance of a 10.  
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I have had MANY fantastic 7-out-of-7 and 8-out-of-8 sessions! I think a 7-out-of-7 is a better score than a 7-out-of-10 but the single number scoring doesn't reflect that at all.  
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Search General, S&P, and Newbie for my posts about X-out-of-Y Scoring:
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I think that approach solves some grading problems but I don't really see it applying here. There will still be reviewers that will write a review that many others might say should be a 7 of 7, or 8 of 8 or any other x of x but still give the y less than x of x.

My reply was to specifically address AnnaBankston's concern. But to elaborate:  
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A 5 or 6 may mean Average or Nice Time but, to me, a 5-out-of-10 or 6-out-of-10 is worse than a 5-out-of-7 or 6-out-of-7.  Rephrasing, 6/10 might be Nice Time but FAR below the expected or hoped for 10. 6/7 is also a Nice Time but just a tad short of the NICEST 7-time I was expecting.  
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Using %ages and grade school scoring, a 6/10 = 60% is below the passing grade of 65%. A 6/7 = 86% is at least a B or maybe even higher (B+ or A-).  (The system can't be %age only, because that doesn't tell the reader how difficult the test was: 10 max (harder test) or 7 max (easier test).

I do understand what you're saying, and basically do agree, but I think you missed the point I was making.  Yes, if the x score remains the same for the review while the review then shows what the session qualified for you could get that case of 6 out of 10 becoming the 6 out of 7 and it might imply a better session than one otherwise might have thought.  

Thanks for commenting. That's how suggestions will be improved (or undermined and fall by the wayside). Over on S&P, there has been feedback and discussion over the years.  
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I'll just add one more reason why I think it would be helpful, esp. to Providers.  
- Provider gets a 7. Feels slighted, insulted, annoyed, ... sometimes even *pressured* into changing her menu to do something she doesn't want to do just for an extra point or three.
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- Provider gets a 7-out-of-7 (or any N-out-of-N) and realizes that it's the highest, most complimentary score and sends a message to guys reading her scores (even just scores ONLY, not the reviews) that her services are highly rated and she will not disappoint (whereas a 7-out-of-10 says that it wasn't as good as it could have been).
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- Some clients will scan review scores and skip over anything less than a 9 or 10. Using X-out-of-Y, clients will scan review scores and look for N-out-of-N, (N-1)-out-of-N or even (N-2)-out-of-N and NOT skip over that Profile as long as they're OK with the max-N. (Don't want anal, don't want bi, don't want 2 guys, ... 7 or 8 Max is fine with me!)
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Once again, thanks for chiming in.

Absolutely would NOT see a tough grader
And any provider who says they would gladly is not being honest