Today, I broke down and used a local agency I've used in the past with more bad experiences than good...but that good one was great for over a year.  So this is how things went down.  I went to the ladies incall and she opened the door dressed in a sweater and jeans.  To my pleasant surprise, this girl was absolutely gorgeous...a dead ringer for Mila Kunis, I kid you not.  Unlike other agency girls, she did not wish to get the financials out of the way first and then usually lead the way.  She was sweet, but a tad standoffish.  So, I jokingly laid back on the bed (fully clothed) and said "Take care of me".  She said that's not how this works.  We lounged on the bed and talked a couple of minutes.  I reached out and caressed her leg and really no response from her. I then held her and she cuddled up with me with her head down with no opportunity for even a light kiss.  To be honest, I was kinda at a loss as to what to do next, so I asked, How does this work?  Big Mistake.  Things went straight downhill from here.  We went back and forth-nicely-no yelling but we certainly weren't on the same page. I told her that I am used to the lady leading the way.  She even said I was awful skiddish for someone that's done this before and she may be right.  I always am a tad wary with a new girl in a new place.  I usually do outcall to my home and they have to show ID to get in the gate, so that gives me a certain level of comfort (maybe undeserved).  So, longer story just long, we agreed to cancel the appointment and here I am typing this-still confused-instead of enjoying a session with a drop-dead gorgeous young lady. Anyone else have this happen to them...Thoughts from the ladies perspective?

I'm a guy, but were I in her position, your staying clothed and then expecting her to take the initiative would have strongly suggested to me that you were LE.

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I think you were both at fault, but you shoulder most of it.

You've already said you have used this agency before, so you knew she was not LE. She had no such knowledge about you. Asking "how does this work" might not have been the dumbest thing you could have said, but it was in the top two or three things you could have said at that moment

All you had to have done was to have simply got undressed, laid the donation out in full view without mentioning it and invited her to join you. This is not rocket science, why do some people make this so fucking difficult?

Your handle shows a 5 but only three reviews come up. Odd.

I suspect it's a vibe game -- you both seemed to give off a bad vibe to the other and then wonder why things headed south. If your concern is her being LE I'll say what I was told when I had a similar experience (is this something everyone has -- new topic?): LE doesn't let you walk. If it was a sting they know why you were there so at the very least they probably look at your driver license and put the fear of go in you.

If she fears you're LE then she's not going to initiate in any major way if at all.

It sounds like she just got a bad vibe right from the beginning. I can't say I blame her.  

First and foremost, you hint that you did NOT take care of the donation. She may have had a nagging fear in the back of her mind about getting stiffed. Remember that she's never met you, and has no clue who you are. SHE did not screen you. Even if the agency told her you were a repeat client, that still doesn't mean you're a nice guy. Agency clients can be jerks, and try to get away with sh** all the time ("It's $350? Oh, I thought it said $300. Wasn't it $300 when I saw Jane last week?"). The agency owner may have even told her to NEVER get started with any action (even kissing) until the money was counted and put away. But (and this is a catch-22 that many hobbyists use to their advantage) she may have also been told that it's rude to ask for it. That's why you should just put it down, without being asked...ESPECIALLY with a girl new to you. And double-especially with a girl new to you, and the biz both...

Second, to lay down and say, 'Take care of me...' is a completely unnatural (and sort of off-putting) way to begin a round of play.

If I was a new agency girl, I'd definitely be thinking "COP!!"

If somehow I could read minds and knew for a fact that you were not a cop, I'd think 'Wow, this is NOT gonna be fun.' I'd probably say, 'Why don't we start with a relaxing massage?' or something like that. But I'm not new, and I don't work for an agency. I've already screened you, and know you're safe. She doesn't, though. To her, you're like a ticking time bomb.

What you thought you were saying was "Let's get the fun started!" What she heard was, 'You're under arrest!' Either that, or 'I'm gonna make this bitch WORK! (And, maybe I won't pay her)"

Obviously, she didn't feel comfortable enough to engage with you. She could've handled it better, sure. But take her unprofessional response as a lesson - there might be a negative vibe you are giving to more experienced ladies, as well. They can just deal with you more gracefully. And they know you're not a cop.

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was contained in the first sentence of your post. "You broke down" tells me you had already decided not to use them again. "More bad experiences than good" is self explanatory. It seems your need to get laid overpowered your cognitive thinking.

If the handle shows 5 but there are only 3 when you click on them, it means that 2 of girls he has reviewed have been delisted for one reason or another.

and........please communicate your message in a way that makes it clear..........you do NOT fault HER!  You just want to get some insight.........so YOU do not CAUSE this to happen again.

It's up to you.  How hard is it to put the money down where she can see it, get undressed and go freshen up so she can check the amount?  Clearly she felt you gave off a weird vibe and was spooked.

the clearest, most profound, logical, articulate, compelling, and astute post I have read by you, GAG.  And while this may not sound complimentary.........I promise it truly IS!

If you were one of my students, I would give it an A++

This is not odd at all. Most peoples' review counts are slightly off. When ladies get delisted from TER (retirement and other reasons) their reviews are gone. Obviously 2 of the OP's reviewed providers are not on TER. One of yours is gone too, as are 2 of mine.

+ 1

That was my thought when reading this.  I wondered if she was referring to the lack of upfront payment (when the client was not her regular) in saying that wasn't how it worked. If a client doesn't want providers to be business-like, getting the business out of the way certainly helps.

WHY did you not have the donation ready?  Either in an envolupe or counted & correct (I use a paper clip to keep it together & fan it slightly)...  on the dresser in plain view or in the bathroom where likely she'll want to wash her hands.  Never make a girl ask for it.
   
She (or her agency) has already screened you.  You've researched her, checked her reviews, image searched her, know what she offers & more importantly her limits.  

You could (as some gals have given me) the quick tour to show we are alone in the location.  Offer her a beverage (sealed) soft drink or bottled water.  Sit & chat for 5 minutes (no more).  Light a scented candle or let her do it.  Put on some music.  Have chairs positioned to recieve your & her clothing.  Match her undressing...  
No, nothing wrong with starting with a massage.   Always compliment her for a nice touch, unless she's really not attracting you.    

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In getting on the bed and ordering her to take care of you, you make clear you are neither showering nor wanting to give her a chance to check in with the agency.  Every agency I've worked for has where you text in session, which confirms that the client is there and has paid.

There are NO jokes unless you know the girl really well ... She told you that you were awful "skiddish", which should have been your warning to stop screwing around and act right. You should have put the envelope down, said, "sorry, I'm nervous.",  and excused yourself to the bathroom to "freshen up"(and maybe use some mouthwash if you wanted a kiss) Chances are she would have been in bed naked when you came out. Or she would have left, taken your envelope after she wrote "Loser" in lipstick on the mirror - "just kidding" ... see my point?

Hobbying is no place for "kidding around". These ladies worry about cops and weirdos. There is a good chance she didn't know which one you were, buy you definitely were one that time.

..into meaningful paragraphs so it is actually readable. I fled.

And sometimes TER is just weird and all the reviews dont show, but then if you leave and log back in ... BAM the number is different again! Magic!

But in this case it's delistings that change the number of reviews (actual number when the link is clicked) from the numeral
under your handle.
You yourself are missing 2.

That's exactly what "low-volume" is all about: lameness.

Au contraire a "high volume" hobbyist like me dating a typical "high volume" provider means Instant Gratification. LOL.

That would NEVER be a problem for moi. I let the lady goes first. If she does not aggressively take the wheel and drive I will have no problem take over the wheel myself.  

What's so hard about the concept? if she does not take the initiative I will gladly take it for her! Between the two one has to have balls and be a man right?

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Thanks. That make a little sense but then makes me thing someone designed a really crappy DB without much thought. Cheaper that way though

Damn, now I want to see if I can figure out who dropped!

What's even better is that when I look in My TER, My REviews I get 39 and they are all there....

It's the imperfections that make the world though

yes, I think you are probably right.  But I have used this agency in the past.

i never show up to an appt without a shower just before hand.  I didn't order her.  It was just a failed attempt at humor to break the ice.  Yes, she did confirm with the agency that i was there.  I had been there 5-10 minutes before I made the joke.

All you had to have done was to have simply got undressed, laid the donation out in full view without mentioning it and invited her to join you. This is not rocket science, why do some people make this so fucking difficult?