I think it’s funny how a provider says I don’t see black guys because I had a bad experience. So how are they saying that they have never had a bad experience with white guys? And if they did whey are they still seeing white guys. Providers say some of the dumbest shit not to seem like a racist.

I am brown myself, and I tell them about my race and ethnicity.. This gives them chance to turn me down should they have problem with my brown ass.. I'd rather know before hand than regret later on.. That way I can spend my money elsewhere..  Who wants to put up with that shit..

"No-A-A." thread in awhile.  Good luck with this one.  

Well said!! After reading the subject, I thought, where will it go! Really good reply!

This is definitely a controversial topic but you raise a really great point that I wish more people took the time to *really* think about.  

I like data too.  Data says that black males are about six times as likely as white males to commit murder.  
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So basically a provider's risk is 600% greater based on skin color alone.  
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That's data.

I don't know if your *really* was to me or CDL. We both used "really". I hope I'm not speaking out of turn! I just thought his response was really good about it's the providers choice who they want to see and can block anyone they don't want to see. Yes, it sucks when you are excluded from something you wanted to check out, but we are talking about providers, there are more opportunities down the road!

Getting personal or local before getting more general, you partially addressed a Q that I have: Your "completion rate" or ratio is 84% white 30-60. It isn't clear if some of the remaining 16% is "white but younger than 30 or older than 60" or if the 16% is entirely non-white.  Your worst experiences were 100% white. I wanted to ask about your "rejection rate" or ratio. There is only a **partial** statement about that:

If I have a preference, am I racist?

Just see someone else.  If the lady isn't into black guys, then so what.  This isn't a black lives matter if equality thing.  

that's a preference, not an exclusion. I prefer waffles over pancakes means I will still eat pancakes sometimes and you're not racist against pancakes. I will never eat pancakes means just that and you might be racist against pancakes.

To refuse to see white clients would cut out the vast majority of clientele, possibly even higher than the 84% mentioned previously.  While everyone is usually in control of who they see, it’s hard to cut out the majority of any demographic and expect to still be successful.

I'll just leave it at that.
I'm white and I avoid the "No AA" providers for selfish reasons.
To be fair, if something triggers your PTSD, avoiding it is probably the best you can do.

The ones the providers WANT to see, and the ones they merely TOLERATE because, after all, its a business and they want the revenue.  This can apply to race, age, or a number of other qualifiers.  I thing most girls have a "profile" of the kinds of guys they prefer, but that doesn't mean all of the rest are automatically excluded.  There is some room for the ones that are less than perfect dates, but always tip.  Lol

1. I saw someone who used to have a no AA policy. I had no idea she had one when I booked her. Only reason I found out was when I asked her number 2 days before my appointment, and I googled it and found old ads with a no AA policy. I had a great time. Didn't ask her about it and she even drove me to a lightrail station, off the clock. My name, which I give out when screening is obviously foreign, so it’s not like I tried to trick her. Though I probably would not have reached out to see her if I had known she used to have a no AA policy. I haven't seen her since because she moved out west. But I would repeat.

I don't care what race, ethnicity, religion, nationality, color, or creed a woman is. If she's a consenting, willing, enthusiastic participant and attractive to me, she and I are going to have sex.

400 years later and we are not on the same page?

I believe that was Susan Oliver. I've always loved her, she was so beautiful!! We had a chance meeting halfway around the world one early Sunday morning!

I threw shade at Paige in another thread and I regret it. I think the way she handles herself, and her personality shines through of being a good person and positive in her posts. I understand why she was picked, and her reviews are reflective of it.

What gets me about a lot of these 'No AA' provider's is that all of a sudden they now have 'Black Lives Matters' banners plastered all over their twitter pages! Go Figure.

I had a Sugar Baby not long ago who is White. She was telling me once that she had helped to organize a BLM march in the small city she lived in. Later we were looking at some of her FB pics which included pics of some guys both Black and White,  and I asked about one of the guys if he were an ex BF who happened to be black, she looked at me straight in the face and said "I would never date a Black guy" I mean WTF???!!! I asked her about Chinks and apparently her racism only extends to black guys.  I hope she never organizes a march for Asian people. lol

I think we've learned during recent times (the last 5 years or so) that a lot more people have discriminatory tendencies than we thought.  They just feel more comfortable expressing those anti-"insert whatever you want here".  The NBA policy has been around for as long as I have been hobbying (20 plus years), now it's just more upfront.  The issue isn't "well why would you want to see someone that doesn't wanna see you?"  I doubt any black client would subject themselves to screening with someone that has a NBA policy.  It comes down to fears, ignorance and stereotypes and sprinkled into that there may be a couple of bad experiences.  But hey, you can't exclude all the white clients if you have a bad experience with one....right?

nearly all girls who have a NBA policy have told me the same thing.   that black guys in general, not all (!) have a different approach to sex and intimacy as a cultural thing.    they are rougher, less gentle, argue about condom use, and overall just a tougher client.    are there exceptions, of course, but each culture has its own ways and attitudes.    

Heh, the idea that only whites are racist is always amusing. Imperial Japan considered the rest of the world subhuman. Present day China has their anti black racism right on TV. And of course critical race theory is blatantly anti white.

Yeah, I don't think I said that ONLY whites are racist.  What I was referring to was black people being a minority IRL and especially here in the hobby world in proportion to our white counterparts.  It wouldn't be a wise business move for a provider to say "No white men".   Of course I have seen all manner of providers who won't see Asians, or Mexicans, or Arabs etc.  But the number of NBA providers far outweighs those.  

It’s literally just history from ALL perspectives, white, black, indigenous, Asian, Hispanic, etc … the conquerors and the conquered. But I digress.

I've seen a few black providers ask why their black men don't come see them.

And she WAS beautiful; gorgeous eyes.  I ran into her a couple of times in L.A.  Grocery store, dept. store - in those days you couldn't help but trip over celebrities.

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Another Trek guest, Susan Denberg

I always liked Yvonne Craig as the Orion "slave girl" in "Whom the Gods Destroy."

I would have given quite a few quatloos to get my hands on her photon torpedos.  Later, Angelique Pettyjohn was a stripper in Vegas.  Died too soon...

I would definitely not want to see a racist provider so at least they weed themselves out. Anyone who doesn't see someone based off race is a moron.

Sounds like bullshit to me. All a pretty way to wrap up racism with a nice, shiny bow.

Not to mention you are completely WRONG about CRT.

There is an old saying, "The victors write the history books."  Meaning that you can write history any which way that serves your narrative.

Your virtue is noted. Here's your gold star.

to any teachers? Like legitimately sat down and discussed this with them instead of just reading whatever clickbait article is being posted? History was written by the victors but they do a damn good job of washing over some of the worst parts. That said, again, it's literally just history being told. No teacher is out here trying to make their students feel bad - they are trying to do their job. History should make us all feel something. Should we stop teaching the Holocaust because it makes white students of German decent in American feel bad?  

Good grief Paige, give it a rest. Take your  liberal psycho babble to the P&R board. You have gone from being
interesting to being annoying.  

I ask providers if they see black men, if they say no-i just move on! There are dozens and dozens of great white (or even black) providers who don't discriminate against black men. It's not humanly possible for me to care less about the ones that won't see black men, period.

Funny thing, I am honest and up front just so they know. Some laugh and wonder why some of the fellow escorts don't. Hell, back in the day I had one not even open the door on me. Another just blew me won't allow FS. Is it racist ? I say yeah because they must have had a bad experience with a white guy. But will just think nothing of it right ? Go ahead give me some grief, I can handle it, been doing this shit too long.

You forgot the data of who commits rape and what demographic commits' mass murders ?  It's NOT black men either.  

You answered that for me.

As a person who has seen you in the past and respect you. NOPE we haven't and after reading these comments never will.

You've made it very clear a few times what you think of me. Although, I'll admit, I didn't know responding to the conversation was "annoying". I wonder what we call it when the men do it while also beating their figurative "internet chests"? Care to enlighten me?

They way you respond to her almost every single time - just go fuck her already dude.

In my opinion, if we're going to teach CRT or something akin to CRT, it should be taught in college level history and/or politics courses where the students have a level of maturity to understand the nuance of race relations throughout US History. But it should never be taught to grade school, middle school, or high school students. And I think this is the fear and outrage I see in parents of all races across the country who are protesting at school board meetings- that CRT is being used to racially indoctrinate kids too young to understand such a potentially inflammatory subject.

for the failure of some blacks to take advantage of everything America has to offer.  Have you noticed that blacks in America (both men and women) that rose from poverty and made a spectacular success of their lives do not believe the CRT bullshit?  I agree with GaG that its insulting to all blacks.  CRT is telling them that they are not good enough to succeed in America without some kind of built-in advantage.  The many self-made Black millionaires and billionaires are rightfully proud of their success, and CRT would try to cheapen that by saying they couldn't have done it without whitey's help.  Its total and complete bullshit.  

To scare the shit out of their white constituents...Whites need the boogie man to be fearful of the other...
Now let's push this shit to the PR board.
Oh, and I can say that ain't none of you know what the fuck CRT really is

You should read the history and foundational beliefs of the CRT movement.  it doesn't mention ANYTHING about "right wing" or "conservative."  It only talks about whites and people of color.  Just because you are getting uncomfortable with the truths coming out is no reason to push it to the political board.  The movement has became a failed cause celebre of the Left, but they are not mentioned in the foundational documents and writings either.  You're spending too much time listening to cable news shows.  Check some of the online encyclopedias if you want the facts without the spin.

You probably know less them most on this issue. This whole CRT has been around for 40 years and now it's at the forefront...wonder why and why now.
It's just conservatives, again..fearing the "other". Let's call it as it is now...it's a talking point.

Agreed, just a bunch of angry white men who are looking to fire up the racists.

Are you mansplaining now. As a black man I have no issue with teaching CRT to students. Y’all just want to “whitewash” history. As a US Senator attempted to state, we need to teach the “good and the bad about slavery”. Seriously this was stated. Ridiculous, all you hiding behind computers with your fake ass names. #pitiful

Seems most asian providers have an NBA policy or a No AA under xx yr old. I have asked a few why and the response is always the same "To big and to aggressive" I think they are just perpetuating stereo types. I have also shown up to a provider and been told she doesn't see my "Type", I a big dude covered in tats. I ask what type and its usually you are a "in a motorcycle gang" I just move along but I can see why the mongers of color being frustrated if not angry about BS NBA policy.

Says a black man hiding behind a computer with a fake ass name. #pitiful

"blue" cities, LIberal parents are inflamed about this drivel being taught in public schools.  84% of parents don't want it.  That's hardly an insignificant number in a country that stands largely divided along political lines on many other issues.

Exactly right. It's another "boogeyman" to stoke fear and hate among white America.

of all political persuasions demanding it be excluded from schools?  84% of them, to be exact, don't want it taught to their kids.  So calling it a "conservative narrative" is the latest deflection of the Libs who have been pushing CRT as part of the 2020 election platform?  

get from proponents of CRT once they are confronted with a few facts.  Sorry to leave you "speechless" sweetie.  

harlot equivalent of "shut up and dribble".

Who are these parents and who is pushing CRT as part of any election platform?

an election platform.   Do you have a different question?    

'84% of parents to be exact' and 'libs are pushing CRT as part of 2020 election platform'. These are your words. Stand up for them or retract them.  

"shut up and suck it".  

of the "dribble."  LOL

No link of course - that's why he's known on the Politics board as "Can't-Do-Links" because he never provides links to his bullshit claims.  He pulls shit out of his ass and posts it as if it was fact.

when it comes to finding it on your own?  I said "were" using it.  Past tense.  You want to change it to something else.  

I did see Paige quote this number in this thread as her % of white clients between ages of 30 and 60.

Maybe it was a typo and CDL meant to say "exactly 57," like the number of communists in the DoD.

Where did the 84% come from, you are talking to too many Ken and Karen’s.

Pancake haters have got to go!

...a LONG time ago if a provider either didn't bother replying to my request or replied that she doesn't see women. Nowadays I figure her loss and I move on to another lady. Life's too short to bother with silly stuff like that. For every rejection there are at least twice as many better opportunities. Like coeur-de-lion said, why would I want to spend hard earned money on someone who already closed the door? Nope. Moving on!