That we are prone to try to validate the amount we spent by grading high.  However, I have graded a gal who charged $300/hr at a 9/10.  No wonder she was my ATF.

I'll spell it out for you if you guys are too fucking dense or too fucking PC  to get what PussyHound is saying.

There are some butt fucking ugly women getting scores in the stratosphere, I'm not talking average or simply older women where there is some room for doubt, No, I am talking about fat ugly fucking cows that would scare the "taste out of your mouth"

Don't you think this kind of grade inflation not only does a disservice to your fellow hobbyist, but to the truly hot ladies out there who's 9's and 10's mean so little now that every fat, ugly broad out there with a pulse not only feels entitled to those high scores, but has somehow manipulated the men here to give them to her?

I can't be the only one here with standards. Fuck this personal taste shit, everyone on the fucking planet will agree that Halle Berry is hotter than Roseanne fucking Barr.

Sometimes I am ashamed to be associated with  my fellow "hobbyists" some guys are either blind or have no fucking standards, and they are no "peers" of mine.

WRPH wasn't talking about the difference between your 9 versus my 7, We are talking about obviously unattractive women getting high scores. You don't have to be a pageant judge to know that a Bea Arthur lookalike doesn't deserve a nine in anybodies book.

There are some downright ugly women getting high marks and it seems like only the "board assholes" are willing to admit to it.

Personally I think the true hotties out there should not be campaigning to keep the status quo, but they should be pleading for honesty in reviewing so that their hard earned, and well deserved scores have actual meaning to a prospective client.

Scoed, I am not accusing you of such behavior, but coddling those that do, doesn't help a bit. If us guys can't call out our own for being sniveling whining little pussy whipped bastards who cant' even stand up for themselves on an anonymous internet site, than who will?

No matter what changes we make to the scoring system, without a "reality check" by the reviewers we still will not have accomplished anything.

So there's the primary issue, how do we hold the he cunts to some set of standards? I am just asking the question, I don't claim to have the answer, or are we to believe that since such a high percentage of men are either pussies or have no standards that the problem has no solution?

and no it's not really not that hard to pick out the obvious grade inflation, but it renders a rather useful tool (the TER scoring system) virtually useless, that's how rampant the abuse is IMO

Does any here realize just how butt ugly a woman has to be to get scores that average less than a seven?  It's probably a good thing that as a moderator I am not allowed to review or I would undoubtably be on many a DNS list for fear of "tough grading"

I have noticed a definite correlation between the score someone receives and their rate. If someone charges 750 and gets a 10 it will probably be different then someone else who charges 300 and gets a 10. Its seems like an unwritten law and even though its probably not "legal" here on TER per-say, it seems valid. Would any of you expect a 10 to charge 2 or 300? Or even a 9? The scores seem tipped to me. Inflated because of lower prices, deflated because of expectations of higher prices. It seems more about money then anything else.

Which is something almost every experienced TER member does.

Some reviewers are quite credible IMO, while others are completely worthless,  Since she brought herself on here, I will use Haley as an example, IMO any reviewer that gave her an 8 or 9 has ZERO credibility to me.

and yes the most important thing to me is whether or not the pics are an accurate representation.

I can't answer for anyone else, but my scores are based on the person I meet and what goes on, and have nothing at all to do with the rate.

You could argue that people with high ratings are going to tend to be busier, and therefore will eventually raise their rates, while people with low ratings are going to stay low. It can be a premium for quality. However I have seen people at various price points who would deserve higher and lower ratings.

....the guys are too damned embarrassed to admit that they just paid $1,000 for the same quality experience that they could have had for $400.  So they rate high to save face.

My experience has been that price has absolutely no correlation to how good a time I have. None.

For instance, one of my favs used to charge 3 when she started out. 5 for a 2 hour gig. She moved to NY and now commands 5 or 6 an hour, which she easily gets. Not doing anything she didn't do before. Just her being her. It's just she's so damn good she got 10/10s then just like she does now.

But as far as the other high dollar hotties as well, they charge what they charge for a number of reasons. They're hotter than fuck. Their menu is wide open. They can be picky about how many clients they want to see as opposed to the ones that'll take on as many as they can in a day. Shit, they actually have other interests than spreading their legs for some old, fat fucks all day and night.

I can think of 3 right off the top of my head that I'd give them what they want just to be with them.

Some guys are all about how much bang they can get for the buck, meaning, they're price shopping.

I'll do without till I get what I want. I'm a patient motherfucker when it comes to that.

Um....I have noticed a big difference between $200/hr and $400/hour providers and if a gal has stellar reviews she can charge more (i.e. Supply & Demand).

I haven't ventured into the $1000/hour category so I can't comment on them.

First and foremost the price reflects the area you are talking about and what the competition is asking for. The price in some areas is lower and yes I have seen 10's reviewed at a 300 price. I have also seen NYC ladies of lower scores asking 500. Then sticking within the high and low prices for your area yes it is reasonable to figure that the girls with the higher consistent prices score higher. I have seen a lower priced girl try to up her price for a month and then let it fall back to her original level. If you can get a higher then normal price in a given area there has to be a reason for it. Unless you run into the rare girl who truly does not care about the money at all and uses a high price to keep her client requests down.

Yes beauty is in the eye but come on. We can all pick 3 providers off the top of our heads that no one would rate a 7 that have 8, 9 and 10 on their review page. How do you explain it other then the sorry worn out: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Let's be clear, I am not speaking about performance here, just looks.

In fact I have had great luck in the $200 dollar range. Of course I am not into the fake GFE thing. So maybe the $400+ crowed are better actresses as that is not what I want I wouldn't know. But for me there is zero correlation between price and fun.

Every guy is looking for something a bit different. That older, heavier provider my not be your or my idea perfection but to a guy who is into that look it could be. As my tastes, it varies greatly as to eat gets me going.

I've experimented over the past year and a half with price points and the gals I have seen.  I think you could certainly argue that there is a correlation, but I also look at who the "reviewers" are and bring into the understanding what each of us is seeking.

In order for me to even consider seeing a lady that has a high dollar entry she has to have specific physical qualities I endear, but also (and I realize that many guys only have an interest in the looks) I really gravitate to the "smarter gals" (Edrienne Cole or Reagan Moore come to mind quickly).  When you marry these qualities I see a different package than a gal who is "challenged" to converse.  Not saying that many of the ladies that are lower priced aren't good conversationalists, but will typically provide a very different type of interaction (and depending on my mood, that can and has been a very good thing).  That, at least for me, is part of my scoring on a gals appearance.

Most of the gals (at least in my local area) that I have seen are in the 300-500 range, and I have stayed with my formula that works well for me.  And in all of these instances, my 8 or 9 may very well be somebody's 7 or 10.  I don't equate the price a gal charges with how I will review her appearances...but that is just me.

I'm kind of a joke, as far as my reviews are concerned. Ask any of the fucking assholes here and they'll tell you I hand out 10/10's like candy. They could be farther from the truth and to tell you the truth I can give a fuck. They're MY scores. You weren't there, and you have no idea what led up to my decisions.

Where it's USUALLY a black and white thing, as far as looks and/or performance, I'm not a school teacher grading on whether they got it right then and there. I have variables.

So, you asked about giving 10's for looks. OK, it's obvious some ladies, on the outside, are better looking than others. A lady could be drop dead gorgeous, turning heads wherever they go. But once they open their mouth and some of the shit they spew repulses you. To me, that drops their score. That's part of their appearance. How they portray themselves. Their mind, intellect, sensitivities, or lack there-of, factors in how I grade their 'appearance'.

In the same respect, a lady that might garner a 7 or 8, who has a killer personality and just makes you happy to be with them before you even fuck them, will get a 9 or 10 in my book because that's how attractive they are.

Does that make sense?

And before some other wise-ass goes on about how I grade them a 10 in performance when everyone else gave them a 7, 8, or a 9, I'll share this also.

Part of their performance score reflects how I was treated up to and after, including the encounter.

When they PM me, email me, call me up to and after, oh yeah. That has a direct impact on my train of thought.

It's a service deal, right? To tell you the truth, I still talk with some of the ladies I've seen, and will see again, and some I want to see. They tell me 'just say when'. Why is that? I don't have a huge dick. I'm not wealthy. I'm a fucking drunk that can't hold a relationship for shit.

But I like to think they know this and they take me with a grain of salt. I say I'll be there in 2 weeks, they show up and we have a great time. Then I go off and see how much trouble I can get into!

The thing is, they fuck the taste out of my mouth, and more often than not they go above and beyond what was expected of them. THAT'S fucking service! So that's why they get high scores from me.

Is it me? I like to think so. I'm narcissistic for sure. But I know how to have a damn good time and I'm never boring. I pick and choose the people that I can have damn good times with. That's what it's all about, right?

I'm saying that sometimes a lady has to fuck an old or fat or ugly to pay the bills.

I couldn't do it. Fucking an old or fat or ugly lady, I mean. Even for money. I'd have to be insanely drunk and they better hope I have the nerve to go down on them and get it up to stick them with it.

Some men are hobbyists are pussies. All but ugly women havwe to do is smile at them and send a couple Test saying couple of honey's and swetties and all of sudden, she becomes a 10.

Have looked at some reviews and photos and wondered WTF.

And I get the OP post and your comments on that as well.  There's no doubt in my mind that there are guys out there who will give any old "fat fuck" a high score.  But, seriously GaG is it that tough to pick this out of the gals reviews?

If a guy hasn't come up with some method of determining his criteria...and is willing to settle for "anything with a pulse", and then give her a 9 or 10 "cause she was great...good for that guy.  But if the reviews discuss "baby fat", more mature, GND looks and the like, I think many of us clearly understand what to expect upon arrival.  It's the guys who don't speak TERese that seem to fall into this "trap".

The obvious solution is to change the scoring system...or change the reviewers!  The scoring system is not the problem (IMHO)..it is the reviewers who need a "reality check".

But I'm so pretty I can get away with it.

Not sure WTF you were trying to say there.

You know, you yourself beat the shit out of me for my reviewing style. That's fine. We're brothers and known each other before you were a mod. I respect you and you know this, but...

When you pay for my dates, then you can tell me how to review them. And anyone else for that fucking matter.

But don't presume to tell me what I like and what I want. That's none of you or anyone else's fucking business.

I'll write what I write. Last I checked I was over 21 and I pay my mortgage on time.

I'm going to the liquor store. You want anything?

... there is one service it does for me. I don't have to take someone's reviews seriously- either the lady who crusades for high scores while being a two-bagger, or the guys who handed them out to said two-bagger.

I've never been a fan of the scoring here, for several reasons:

- ladies will get in your face and take an 7 or 8 appearance score as an insult, rather than a compliment.
- the quality of performance OF an act is not the same as the mere fact of performing an act, but the performance score conflates these.
- there are guys here who go "Hey, her breath fogs a mirror? And she isn't vomiting when I fuck her? 10/10!!!"

There are guys here I can trust with appearance scores, but it's because I can read the review history (which is what review aliases are going to kill- the ability to judge the reviewer's credibility), and have some points in common with them. I also admit that I will often prefer someone with an expanded menu and better personality, who isn't as hot as a limited service supermodel who treats our date like she's waiting at a bus stop, so the appearance is often a secondary consideration, outside of some basic parameters that lead to "I don't find that attractive AT ALL".

I come from the pre-TER days, where there was a question you had to answer as part of your review, that substituted for an appearance score:

- Picture is an accurate representation of the provider (Y/N)

That's all I really need to know. Scoring systems where guys give someone 10s on a scale that would give your typical supermodel 87 and a couple of starbursts? Useless. Just let me know if the pictures are good,  and I am good (and I know people "dress up" for pictures, this is why I like some candids on the web page too).

As I looked over my reviews, and thought about the actual appearances of the ladies, I realized that if I could revalue them I would, in many instances, bring those appearance scores down by at least two points on average.  My basis for this is thinking if I were to see this lady at the mall, would she in fact cause me to stumble and drool.  And in most cases, the answers would have been NO.  I think the gals that I have seen are, again in most cases, quite attractive (by my standards).  But would they be generally considered at the far end of the spectrum (such as an 8-10)?  Not in most cases (again..by my definitions).  Truly how often do you (or I) see a woman that truly you need to (almost) stalk just to look at her?  And knowing what I now know, that IS my new defiinition of what a 10 should be here.

But until I have solved all of the worlds financial crisis, food crisis, energy crisis, and any other crisis that exists, we just have what we have.  And I wouldn't use an alias in reviewing going forward either.  If the gal is offended (and shame on me for not doing my homework more efficiently if I saw a FUGLY), so be it.  Generally we are ALL average looking..it is those on either end of the spectrum that stand out.  And here on TER there are far too many on the right side of that spectrum to make that analysis remotely viable.

Would a 10 be considered in the top 10 percent of the female population or top 10 percent of providers?

Do you grade providers on a Bell curve or a percentage?

I think appearance is greatly influenced by attitude. It can easily change my rating up or down by 2 points.

Sometime when a provider gets a score under an 8, she can easily get pissed (Hey it can affect her business).

It isn't unheard of for a provider to contact a client and ask him to raise the score on a review. Also, clients might be looking to get good references and do not want to upset a provider either. This might explain some of the inflated scores.

And I am not catering to anyone.  Many guys drool over Angeline Jolene and think she is a ten, but she does nothing for me. I don't like fake over-sized tits, and tattoos. I would be hard pressed to give her a six. I don't find her attractive but I do believe others when they say they do. .

I was not trying to be PC, but tastes do very greatly. Now most men do prefer younger women, most men do prefer tin, fit women, most men like larger breasts, but not all. 500 years ago fat chicks was all the rage, now not so much.

Who is to say that a guy can't still be into really heavy chicks even though most guys aren't. If the photos are accurate and the guy is paying he obviously finds her attractive, even if you or I or every other guy on the planet does not agree. My own brother is a chubby chaser that like his ladies big. Me I prefer thin and in shape women, but if a lady has a really attractive face, I can over look a few pounds.

So why argue over numbers that are so subjective, and pointless as to not be worth the 1,000,000,000 of a second it takes to download them. I hate TER's number scale. I think it is too damn broke to ever fix. It encourages review manipulation and lies. It weakens the value of the whole review process in my book. I have not reviewed many ladies because of the numbers.

The sad thing is these numbers get in the way a truly useful one that would rank the accurateness of the photos. I then can be my own judge is she is hot or not. No offence I could care less on if you, GaGamblerssmarterbrother, think a lady is hot or not if I do. And truth be told I could care less if some other dude agrees with my assessment on a lady.

I doubt you and I will see eye to eye on this as you seem to think there can be some point to these number, and I do not. The way I see it each person needs to judge the beauty of a lady on his own. If he reviews he needs to call it the way he sees it and not worry about if I or anyone else agrees.

But I guess some guys are too stupid to do there own looking at photos and need some other guy to tell them who is hot or not. All I need is to know if the photos are accurate and current.  If you let someone else tell you who to see instead of using you own eyes and looking at the photos, you deserve what you get.

I get tied of hearing about guys not reading the whole damn review and looking just at the numbers and then crying when they are disappointed. Guys like the OP need to get a brain and whole read the review, not just the numbers, and look at the photos or shut the fuck up about it on this board when is is disappointed because he failed to do his own homework. I have yet to see a lady that was not what I expected because I do my own thinking and homework and don't look at the damn numbers.

Speak for yourself, pal!

You don't have to be butt ugly to have an avg rating looks score under a 7.  But okay.

But I do not agree with it. You think there can be a standard beauty can be graded on, I do not. I think even if every guy is 100% honest any number system is too flawed to be worth while. I explained why on anther post in this tread.

frickin' hear hear. MP67 and boneboybob actually make good sense also.

And I am quite sure that you (amongst others) are on the far far right of that "bell shaped curve".

But probably in the same context so many of the ladies are there as well

So how does stroke guy fit in to the mix here?  He won't pay pay more than 250 and for the most part thinks everyone is great, whether it be a hag or fat chick.  I guess he is just happy if the paramedics don't get called during the session to revive him.  As long as he survives he will rate the provider a 10. WTF?

True. The whole idea is stupid and cowardly. Maybe ter will reconsider. But as gambler suggested The world can tell a ten from a five no matter what part of universe you live in. And when I see something blatant it makes me wonder: if the reviewer is getting something in exchange, if it's pity, if he's retarded or if he's comparing looks to performance and somehow merging the two. Just because someone is butt ugly doesn't mean they can't give a great bbbj or a bang up session. Looks and skill are two different things. Some of you might not be connecting the dots.
Then there is the old fear factor. If someone has your info what stops them from fucking with our life? Most of us would agree it's not worth it. In those cases I believe no review at all is better then a lie. Believe me all the Lack of feedback would speak for itself in the end and is a better choice then alias reviewing.

Sounds like it's a price thing. Read the OP. Here's your example.

So basically your saying that you understand if two women are reviewed and someone who looks like AJ gets a ten and Roseanne Barr lookalike also gets a ten it's all good and a  matter of perspective? With thoughts like that I do wonder about the future of this site.
To be plain, there are some fat chicks who can be attractive, and some older chicks who can be hot and some thin young chicks who can be fugly, but does anyone on this thread think Roseanne Barr is a ten? If so please speak up. What about  Joan rivers? Or Lyle lovitt in a wig with tits?
I'm just sayin.

It's not an anonymous internet site when the provider you're reviewing knows not only your handle but also your real name.

I vote to change the scoring system to something that actually makes sense and then ENFORCE it by having the reviewer change the score to fit the criteria.

For the life of me i can't figure out why "really bi' adds 1 point and why should points be given for something that may have been avaialble for another person but was not performed during the session?

The score should reflect what actually happened in that particular session.  Period.

Just thinking about her gives me wood!  I'd fuck her even though she's dead!  A total 10! YMMV, dude! lmfao!

Why harp on the numbers when we all agree they're the weak link in the system?  Do you really think anyone's going to fix it, human nature being what it is?  TER's half-assed attempt to fix it by allowing aliases has already fucked things up worse than they were.  I'd like to get that fixed.
But how many times has someone on this Board reminded us to base our choices on The Juicy Details and the pix and forget about the numerical ratings?  Why don't we seem to get that?

I mean Roseanne Barr scares me in every possible way. I think she is ugly inside and out. But, she has been married before so some really insane guy must have found her hot once upon a time. There are some guys with differing ideas then most on beauty. And thank god for them or ugly ladies would be awful lonely.
Hell, thank God, for a lady that found ugly guy like me attractive. People do rate looks differently. There is no changing this.

But because of the fact opinions differ, and there are reasons that some may not be honest, you can't trust any number system for looks.

There is no way to fix it, none what so ever. Not unless you know of a way to make everyone be honest and have the same tastes. So what I am saying is the numbers are useless. They always have and always will be. I don't even bother to look at them.

So why complain about what can't be fixed? Do you know of a way to make every one think like you on what is hot? Do you even know a way to make everyone be honest on there opinion? What solution are you putting forth?

I have said it before, but I think the reviews would be much more honest if the numbers was replaced with, "Are her photos currant and accurate?" and, "Would you recommend her?" with a 5 point scale. I doubt TER is going to change so we are stuck with what we got and what we got as far as the numbers go is useless.

Please note, I find the site very useful, and the reviews are the best I have seen. Just the numbers are useless.

I don't find that provider all that attractive at all. (If we're talking about the same lady.) I would not see her based on her looks, yet her photos are accurate on her site as far as I can tell and she has plenty of guy who did see her and pay her her fee. Something must have attracted them as she isn't cheap end of things even in New York. She does not appeal to me at all but she is apparently the right lady for some guys.

Now you say her reviews are inflated and on my scale you are right as I doubt I would be as generous with her scores on appearance, yet her clients seem happy and there is a lot of them. Too many for them to all be lying, so someone finds her hot. His point of view is as valid as mine or yours.

Now lets say they all ore lying and really think she is a 3. Now there is lots of reasons to post fake numbers, pressure from a provider, fake reviews for VIP, or they are benefiting in some way. What does this prove other than my point that the numbers are useless.

That is what this boils down to Yes we must read the reviews. I do read a providers reviews. often pages of them. Plus I look into the reviewer and I even sent out a few PMs to reviews if I have questions. Plus I actually look at her photos and make up my own mind if sh is hot or not. If I was in charge I would scrap the whole number scale. Your post proves my point that the numbers are meaningless and you must do your own homework. Yes, that mean reading all those reviews to see what is up.

If  we should ignore the numbers,  then do away with them.

Thinking she is a 10 isn't half as crazy as paying to to kicked there. There is no accounting for taste, after all someone actually married Roseanne Barr. Personally I rather be kicked in the balls then do that. Some guys are crazy, others are just blind, but to each there own. I got what I need from her reviews, that her photos are currant and that is all I need to say no thanks. Her clients do seem to enjoy her though, so more power to them and her.

I think the biggest difference between are opinion is you think that the number system could work if every guy was honest and I don't. We both see a problem with the numbers. You just think something can be done and it is the reviewers fault for inflating the grades.  While I think the system is flawed beyond repair and uselessness of the data is the result. In the end that difference is small as we both realize there is a problem

Sounds like a plain. I second that idea.

You have got it right on.
"For a 55 yr old yes is she a 10 yes to a 35 year old NO !! Different catagory ! "
I am 60 plus and to me I would find it hard to find many ladies under 35 who are as attractive to me as a mature looking woman in good shape. I don't expect you younger guys to agree your in a different category altogether. I had a best friend when I was growing up who would rate Rosanne over Halle Berry and he wouldn't give Rosanne too high a score either she is way to thin for him. It does seem weird but there are guys like that around.
Now as to why someone you think ugly could have multiple great appearance scores, it's the system you can't review girls you have not seen. Her high score might get you to look at her info but if your an experienced guy your going to look at her pictures and immediately decide no way.  So all she gets seeing her are guys who like that category of women. Given that, the wonder is there are any scores lower then a 6 or 7. Unless it's a TOFTT or bait and switch, girls of a given category are going to be seen by guys that like that type and they score appearance by what they like not what you like. Since TER does not group girls into categories for you the number system can't ever work.