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janetjkapp 3421 reads
posted
1 / 45

recently had an overnight session. i had previously seen this provider a few times (all one hr sessions) and had solid experiences. she quoted me her overnight rate and told me i needed to cover hotel plus flight. i offered for her to stay at my home and she volunteered to cover her own flight since flights are dirt cheap due to covid. typically an overnight is 8 to 10 hours...so we discussed the details of the session. i had a list of things i wanted to do and she agreed to my list and at the same time mentioned that she wouldn't mind getting a tour of the city (i just disregarded her suggestion at the time). two days before the session she books her flight and asks if it's ok to book a flight that lands in the afternoon so that i could show her the city. i think about it and since it sounds like she is asking me to show her the city on her time (and she paid for her own flight)...i agree. fast forward to the actual session. i pick her up from the airport...all she has is a bookbag with her. i show her the city...we get back to my home and i only get one release...she kills a whole bottle of wine by herself and then refuses to do any of the stuff that she agreed to from my list. in fact she sets her alarm...falls asleep on me and snores the whole night...wakes up just in time for me to take her to the airport. she didn't take a shower and she was with me for 18 hours and not sure she even brushed her teeth. in this community we police ourselves...we can't allow this type of behavior from providers or hobbyists. before she went to bed...i calmly mentioned to her about what she agreed to and she blew me off. i am looking for suggestions to make sure she doesn't get the opportunity to pull this same bullsh!t on another unsuspecting client.

-- Modified on 2/5/2021 8:40:00 PM

sunnyday1 169 Reviews 98 reads
posted
2 / 45

Put her name and TER ID here and write an honest review about what happened

MasterZen 34 Reviews 77 reads
posted
3 / 45

nothing, in which case you gain nothing and lose nothing. No consequences to her either. Everyone goes on like nothing happened.

You could review, which would definitely have consequences for her (assume you write the same review on all the other review sites as well). It might also have consequences for you in the form of blowback. Try using an alias to minimize that.

It's all about YOUR decision and freedom to act.

I'll leave it to the inevitable others to explain to you how you somehow "owe" fellow guys a warning and must have the balls to write a negative review.  

Personally, I know we have 90 days to review and would give it some time before I decided so I wasn't choosing while upset or angry. I'd probably also reach out to her and ask WTF to see what she has to say in the cold light of day.

DT_lover 188 Reviews 95 reads
posted
4 / 45

Exactly.

The story sounds all too true.  Scenarios like this probably happens fairly often and never get reported due to anticipated blowback.

Thanks for reminding me why I stick with 1-2 hour appointments.

Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 112 reads
posted
5 / 45

I agree with MasterZen here:

Posted By: MasterZen

 Personally, I know we have 90 days to review and would give it some time before I decided so I wasn't choosing while upset or angry. I'd probably also reach out to her and ask WTF to see what she has to say in the cold light of day.
Give it a little time then reach out once you feel you can discuss it without anger.  Tel her you'd like to see her again (even if that's not necessarily true) but want to talk about the overnight date first.  

 
If at all possible, have a voice conversation rather than texting or emailing because "tone" can be easily misinterpreted with the latter methods.

 
You need to decide for yourself, in advance of the conversation, what you will accept from her that could make this situation right.  A reasonable explanation and perhaps a discounted or free session?  Do you want nothing less than a partial refund?    Know what you want when you reach out to her.  

 
Also, keep it simple by only addressing the main issues.  I don't recommend mentioning the lack of showering and dental hygiene OR her snoring as that can only put her on the defensive which means you won't be getting anywhere in terms of a resolution.    

 

 
I hope that helps!  

DeClemente 48 Reviews 93 reads
posted
6 / 45

Posted By: Debra_Hollander
Re: Hygiene, snoring and drinking aside...
I agree with MasterZen here:
Posted By: MasterZen
 
  Personally, I know we have 90 days to review and would give it some time before I decided so I wasn't choosing while upset or angry. I'd probably also reach out to her and ask WTF to see what she has to say in the cold light of day.
Give it a little time then reach out once you feel you can discuss it without anger.  Tel her you'd like to see her again (even if that's not necessarily true) but want to talk about the overnight date first.    
   
   
 If at all possible, have a voice conversation rather than texting or emailing because "tone" can be easily misinterpreted with the latter methods.  
   
   
 You need to decide for yourself, in advance of the conversation, what you will accept from her that could make this situation right.  A reasonable explanation and perhaps a discounted or free session?  Do you want nothing less than a partial refund?    Know what you want when you reach out to her.  
   
   
 Also, keep it simple by only addressing the main issues.  I don't recommend mentioning the lack of showering and dental hygiene OR her snoring as that can only put her on the defensive which means you won't be getting anywhere in terms of a resolution.      
   
 I hope that helps!  

 
VERY good points!

DeClemente 48 Reviews 98 reads
posted
7 / 45

Posted By: sunnyday1
Re: Well
Put her name and TER ID here and write an honest review about what happened
I agree.

DeClemente 48 Reviews 83 reads
posted
8 / 45

Posted By: MasterZen
Re: Obviously, you could do...
nothing, in which case you gain nothing and lose nothing. No consequences to her either. Everyone goes on like nothing happened.  
   
 You could review, which would definitely have consequences for her (assume you write the same review on all the other review sites as well). It might also have consequences for you in the form of blowback. Try using an alias to minimize that.  
   
 It's all about YOUR decision and freedom to act.  
   
 I'll leave it to the inevitable others to explain to you how you somehow "owe" fellow guys a warning and must have the balls to write a negative review.  
   
 Personally, I know we have 90 days to review and would give it some time before I decided so I wasn't choosing while upset or angry. I'd probably also reach out to her and ask WTF to see what she has to say in the cold light of day.
Very good response.

DeClemente 48 Reviews 83 reads
posted
9 / 45

Posted By: DT_lover
Re: Agreed
Exactly.  
   
 The story sounds all too true.  Scenarios like this probably happens fairly often and never get reported due to anticipated blowback.  
   
 Thanks for reminding me why I stick with 1-2 hour appointments.
You're right. Sometimes, deciding to submit a review or not to submit a review is like being between a rock and a hard place.

DeClemente 48 Reviews 93 reads
posted
10 / 45

My original (and possibly knee-jerk) reaction was simply, "Cut and paste what you wrote here into a review."
After reading the good advice of others, taking a calmer approach is much better, including the use of an alias of you want to go that route.
What gets me is that since the previous one-hours sessions you've had with her were all positive, naturally you were in the right track to build up a connection before advancing. Perhaps the leap from one-hour should have been baby steps, such as two to four hours the next couple of times, the four to six hours.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 81 reads
posted
11 / 45

What's the point of the OP here? If all you're doing is whining about a bad time no one is getting helped -- not you (janet) or the community.

 
If you're asking how you might have avoided the results, well you didn't.

 
If you're warning others away, well, again you DIDN'T.

janetjkapp 141 reads
posted
12 / 45

thanks debra. this is exactly the info i was looking for. i already started the conversation about a partial refund. she apologized with the typical bullsh!t line “sorry you weren’t happy with the time we spent together” but crickets about returning some of the donation. unfortunately i have to take this to the next level to get her attention and get some of my money back.

Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 115 reads
posted
13 / 45

..... and expect a positive response.

If you've already opened the conversation without first asking her what went wrong from her POV, then it's unlikely you can turn this bus around.   But you can still try!  

Taking it to the next level by threatening bad reviews or the like won't get you a refund.... or at least, not without her blacklisting you and retaliating to tarnish your own reputation.  

 
I'd suggest you ask to start the talk over (via PHONE CALL) and say you sincerely want to know what happened, what you'd agreed to in terms of time and money, etc etc.

 
You stated in the OP that you assumed that your time showing her the city was OTC but she may not have counted it that way.  That's a failure to clearly communicate the arrangement and it's on both of you.   SHE should have said that your paid time began as soon as you picked her up from the airport.   YOU could have asked when the clock began running.  

 
Example: when I book a FMTY, travel date, overnight etc, I'm clear that our time starts as soon as we're in each other's presence and ends when we part ways. (Other ladies state the client's time begins when she leaves her home for the airport and only ends at her expected arrival time back in said home-airport.)     The exact amount of hours should be clear when the date is made.  (Some ladies have a clock-free option but even that usually has a set limit of hours.)  
Obviously, you can't get in the way-back machine and do it all over with clear expectations there, but now you know for next time.  Many of us, myself included, learned by making similar mistakes.  :-)

 
Once she's shared her POV of the date, including what amount of time you were really getting for your $ and at what time the clock started running, THEN address what went wrong from your perspective.  
As objectively and politely as you can manage.  ;-)

 

Please feel free to PM me.  Good luck!

herbtcat 6 Reviews 108 reads
posted
14 / 45

But I would have replied to her request something like this: "I'd be delighted to show you around some cool places before we start our date, my treat!"  That should make it clear that you will be giving her YOUR time off the clock and expect that you don't start the paid portion of her time with you until after you finish the tour.

 
And to echo what others have said, the behaviors during the date appear to be your real concern. And they should be. I would ask for a call by gently telling her you'd like to talk about the date as you're not sure you were each aligned on expectations, and you want to make sure that any future dates make everyone happy. If she agrees to talk, then you review the activities discussed when booking and compare them to actual activities you experienced. Don't add any other complaints. Just politely focus on "we agreed to this, however that did not happen..."  

 
You will know what to do when you (or she) finishes the call.  

 

Life is good

 
The Cat

brstlvr 105 reads
posted
15 / 45

I recommend a little self-reflection before reaching out to her or posting a review. She asked you to cover the flight and hotel (perfectly reasonable in a FMTY), then offered to pay for her flight after you said she could stay at your home instead of a hotel. Your costs went down and her costs went up (regardless of how cheap the flight was). I can't imagine her paying for her own flight unless there was some non-work reason she wanted to visit your city and you booking her just made it possible. That part screams to me that the two of you were not on the same page in terms of expectations.

janetjkapp 95 reads
posted
16 / 45

if we were not on the same page in terms of expectations it would be because she wanted it that way. in the original discussion about the activities of the overnight she mentioned she was willing to do whatever i wanted to do at the same time she mentioned "tourist stuff". i just continued the conversation talking about the activities i wanted to happen at my house. as i mentioned in my original post...she didn't book her flight until two days before the session. she sends me a text and says i can pick the flight that gets in at 2pm or the flight that gets in at 8pm. i ask her..."if i pick 2pm...does that mean i get extra time to entertain you?" she replies "yes you get 4 hours to be my tour guide".

Black--Panther 126 reads
posted
17 / 45

Having read a lot of these stories and scenarios, plus real life. I think although crass, needs to be even more clear; "I'm happy to show you around, but that is on your time and doesn't count toward the paid time", or something to that effect.

Posted By: herbtcat
Re: Not sure the "city" tour explains or excuses the rest..  
But I would have replied to her request something like this: "I'd be delighted to show you around some cool places before we start our date, my treat!"  That should make it clear that you will be giving her YOUR time off the clock and expect that you don't start the paid portion of her time with you until after you finish the tour.  
   
   
 And to echo what others have said, the behaviors during the date appear to be your real concern. And they should be. I would ask for a call by gently telling her you'd like to talk about the date as you're not sure you were each aligned on expectations, and you want to make sure that any future dates make everyone happy. If she agrees to talk, then you review the activities discussed when booking and compare them to actual activities you experienced. Don't add any other complaints. Just politely focus on "we agreed to this, however that did not happen..."  
   
   
 You will know what to do when you (or she) finishes the call.  
   
   
   
 Life is good  
   
   
 The Cat

Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 100 reads
posted
18 / 45

Posted By: janetjkapp
she sends me a text and says i can pick the flight that gets in at 2pm or the flight that gets in at 8pm. i ask her..."if i pick 2pm...does that mean i get extra time to entertain you?" she replies "yes you get 4 hours to be my tour guide".
At least there seemed to be some outline of what amount of time was OTC.

 
If the time difference between the two flights was 6 hours then it's a bit off that she mentioned you were only getting 4 hours that weren't counted as part of the overnight rate you paid but.... she may have it structured as "10-12hrs Overnight" or similar.  

 
When you say you discussed what would happen at your home, I am assuming you mean specific activities.  
 Lots of ladies don't consider it to be your right as the consumer to do this.   They really take the "the rate is for my time and companionship only" line seriously and some will only give you one round no matter how much time you book.  
Or what she may have SAID would happen.   ;-)

 

A lot more ladies are simply nervous and uncomfortable agreeing to xxx acts for $$$ (myself included) no matter how many times we've met so this can be tricky to negotiate.  

 
Does she have reviews which state more than one round was allowed?   Has she gone more than once in a 1hr session with you?   If you don't typically attempt to go twice in one hour, had she ever offered or tried?  

 

If the answers are no, then this is likely her M.O. and yes you should write a review so that others will be forewarned that no matter how much time they pay her for, they won't be getting MSOG either.

TheVoiceOfReason 103 reads
posted
19 / 45

I cannot remember ever seeing a lady for a multi-hour appointment that wasn't MSOG.  I also cannot ever remember a lady saying no to a request to go again in an hour or 90 minute appointment.  You are paying for time.  That would blow my mind if I booked a multi-hour let alone overnight and we only went once.  Her TER profile should say whether or not she is MSOG, which I have always interpreted as whether or not the lady is MSOG for 1 hour appointments.  In other words, every lady that I have seen that had no or sometimes for MSOG was still always MSOG for multi-hour appointments.

-- Modified on 2/7/2021 11:26:51 AM

Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 125 reads
posted
20 / 45

These ladies are largely part of the anti-review crowd who object to anyone have ANY expectations of what type of service the client will be getting during their appointment.   This same group encompasses many providers who are non-GFE (yet claim they are) and want nothing to do with any site or forum where clients can report this.  

 
In other words: these are ladies charging at least the same as those who offer MSOG, GFE, and more yet get very offended if anyone tries to alert future clients who might be disappointed by her offerings.  
They believe none of these things should be expected, discussed, or reviewed.  

 
I've seen multiple threads about this on Twitter and they can be quite vicious to any providers who do not do things the way they do.  This type sees MSOG true-GFE providers as being part of the problem and think that we are encouraging the "slobbyist" mentality.

GaGambler 152 reads
posted
21 / 45

I have heard many mongers right here on this board complaining that they only got one pop in a multi hour or even overnight session.  

 
And PLEASE lets stop this bullshit that we are paying for "time and companionship" we should all just accept what bullshit that is. "My donation is for time and companionship, but I have an upcharge for anal or couples" lol

y2j 8 Reviews 98 reads
posted
22 / 45

U gotta name names here.  Sounds like she cared more about a vacation then actually providing her services.  

janetjkapp 99 reads
posted
23 / 45

she is a ter reviewed provider. i have never written a review before...good or bad. in my hobby life...i've had a pimp bust into one of my sessions and pull out a gun before...i've had a provider confess that she is a practicing witch and i still didn't write a review. it's been a few days and i seem to get more mad everyday...most likely i'll put her info in this thread...keep in mind it's all about timing and i have some other things in the works to get her attention.

-- Modified on 2/7/2021 12:05:10 PM

-- Modified on 2/7/2021 12:09:48 PM

RockOn72 5 Reviews 113 reads
posted
24 / 45

First off love the advice from the "provider point of view here"..  

I mean yeah I understand to a degree- but if everything is accurate not much else at this point you can do here but name names, write an accurate review as possible about what was agreed to leading into it, the "ON" date and the aftermath of it all.

Totally get the frustration if clear communcation was thrown out there and lived up to your end of everything. Sounds like she blew you off heading back to the airport & then when tried discussing after the fact... I would feel the same way!

Honestly dont know what else to say except if you have tried handling this in an appropriate manner.. if all else will not be helping the community out by not coming forth with a name & review of your experience with provider!

 Again if what you said is accurate & at least have some sort of proof from communication.. Sounds sketchy at best on her end.

Let's call a spade a spade!

janetjkapp 96 reads
posted
25 / 45

anybody willing to make a $6 gofundme donation for me?

janetjkapp 184 reads
posted
26 / 45

i disagree with one point you made. there's much more i can do than name names. i'm going to make an example of her. zero tolerance for this type of sh!t.

RockOn72 5 Reviews 126 reads
posted
27 / 45

If worried about any blow back. Either way sounds to me this provider doesnt seem to care as she got what she wanted out of the deal from everything you have accounted for.  Not saying you owe anyone anything as it sounds you got burned.  But you would be doing others a favor by warning all under an alias or not.  

 You would be surprised how many clients dont report scenarios like this out of fear or when they write a review downplay their true feelings for fear of being blackmailed. Sorry just like a provider should warn others about potentially dangerous clients.. Clients should be able to do the same when it comes to situations like this.

Only caveat I can say on your end is next time when a provider mentions airfare & hotel just comply. Would of taken her sign of being so willing to pay her own airfare as a red flag.

Just my two cents....

Either way I hope you get a resolution to all this that you deserve.

janetjkapp 122 reads
posted
28 / 45

anybody willing to make a $6 gofundme donation for me?

janetjkapp 89 reads
posted
29 / 45

i'm using a basic account. please reply to this thread.

herbtcat 6 Reviews 110 reads
posted
30 / 45

You pick the words that work for you.  I'm not suggesting the OP quote me, just suggesting the type of reply that may have helped.  Personally, I wouldn't say what you suggest, as I do think it's too "on the nose" and might make her think you are annoyed to be asked.  

 
But I might phrase your statement as a question like: "I'm happy to show you around town, that sounds like fun. Should we assume that's outside of our paid time together?"  By asking a question and using "we assume" and "our paid time," rather than "I assume" and "my paid time," you make this an inclusive discussion, rather than appearing like her request is an imposition on your time.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

janetjkapp 114 reads
posted
31 / 45

anybody willing to make a $6 gofundme donation for me?

Snotty 116 reads
posted
32 / 45

Since  you still haven't even wrote a review ( the hole purpose of this board) but now you want to "make an example of her"?  

You sound unhinged and quite honestly,  up until now I was on your side. Not any more.  

TER should ban you.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 124 reads
posted
33 / 45

which is usually $2-5000, depending on the Provider, but you don't have a TER VIP membership, which is about $19 a month if you subscribe for a whole year?  This makes me want to call bullshit on your entire story.  Sorry, but when things don't add up, I get suspicious.  

janetjkapp 124 reads
posted
34 / 45

if you're willing to make a $6 donation to her gofundme account i'll prove i'm telling the truth.

-- Modified on 2/8/2021 4:41:36 PM

GaGambler 91 reads
posted
35 / 45

And I don't "send" money to hookers for my own purposes much less for anyone elses. and hopefully this will prove it's not the money, it is the principle. Whether it's sending a multi thousand dollar "deposit" to the Philippines or a lousy six bucks to some drunk hooker on your behalf, the answer is the same. HELL FUCKING NO!!!

 
Why in the fuck would you expect anyone here to send her six bucks? That would be even dumber than what you did, although a lot less expensive. Assuming of course that your OP has even the slightest bit of truth to it.

 
Please, either name names or quit your fucking whining. Veiled threats to "make her pay" are just so much fucking noise to me.

janetjkapp 119 reads
posted
36 / 45

so gofundme has an anonymous feature but even with the anonymous feature...the organizer and beneficiary (i.e. the drunk hooker as you said) would be able to see the name of the credit card used to pay the donation). not sure if she knows my name but she has been in my house. if there's somebody willing to pay the $6 donation (i can reimburse them). i need to send her a message and i can't have my name associated with the donation. that's why i'm asking for a volunteer.  

i think it's a bit disingenuous for her to have a gofundme where she has already gotten $3400 of her friends and family's money when i just gave her basically half of that last week for a overnight session that she didn't even finish. i'll leave the reviews to you guys...not my style...

-- Modified on 2/8/2021 5:41:53 PM

36363jensen 4 Reviews 93 reads
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AnotherDonJohn 88 reads
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coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 118 reads
posted
39 / 45

having your name associated with this sketchy hooker, but you want someone else here, who also sees hookers, to make a donation for you?   That's kind of a lot to ask of a stranger.  I wouldn't even do it if you sent me a deposit in advance, which I know you're not opposed to.   A charming guy like you that even writes a list of what sex acts you want her to perform should be able to figure out how to schmooze your way out of this.  Just sayin'.  

KJ5233 96 reads
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40 / 45

Posted By: Debra_Hollander
Re: Hygiene, snoring and drinking aside...
I agree with MasterZen here:
Posted By: MasterZen
 
  Personally, I know we have 90 days to review and would give it some time before I decided so I wasn't choosing while upset or angry. I'd probably also reach out to her and ask WTF to see what she has to say in the cold light of day.
Give it a little time then reach out once you feel you can discuss it without anger.  Tel her you'd like to see her again (even if that's not necessarily true) but want to talk about the overnight date first.    
   
   
 If at all possible, have a voice conversation rather than texting or emailing because "tone" can be easily misinterpreted with the latter methods.  
   
   
 You need to decide for yourself, in advance of the conversation, what you will accept from her that could make this situation right.  A reasonable explanation and perhaps a discounted or free session?  Do you want nothing less than a partial refund?    Know what you want when you reach out to her.  
   
   
 Also, keep it simple by only addressing the main issues.  I don't recommend mentioning the lack of showering and dental hygiene OR her snoring as that can only put her on the defensive which means you won't be getting anywhere in terms of a resolution.      
   
   
   
   
 I hope that helps!  

Great response

RockOn72 5 Reviews 123 reads
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41 / 45

If you are on the up & up, which I'm starting to have my doubts given your whole "send me $6 for a gofundme scheme"... Name names, write a review or this is just one giant endless car crash of a sitcom you need to take off the site.

AnotherDonJohn 90 reads
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42 / 45

I guess that’s what you’re contemplating with the gofundme message.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 94 reads
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43 / 45

his train wreck meme when we need him?  Lol

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 98 reads
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MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 106 reads
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45 / 45

making an example of her?  Care to share?

 
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