it is best to play it low key. If you act demanding and pushy on the phone you are much less likely to receive a discount then if you are sweet and conversational.
If your paying multi hour and 2 hours of that is very good meal somewhere where you are also paying the bill, should dinner On-The-clock time be discounted?
For some reason it doesn't bother me a bit to blow a grand or more on dinner, but to be charged hundreds of dollars an hour just for the privilege of "her company" just doesn't set well with me.
Now I also understand the other side of the coin which is "time is money" I don't expect a woman to give up paid dates to spend time with me stuffing our faces, so it's kind of a trade off. I have no desire to pay for "company" I only want to share a meal with someone who genuinely wants to be there, not because I am paying her, so when I do take a provider out to dinner, it's usually at her suggestion and I try to be considerate of her working hours and plan our meal together around her paid encounters.
OTOH, many guys consider the dinner date a true GFE, where they think they are actually wooing their date. Who am I to burst their bubble? It's their fantasy and they are the ones paying for it, but it's just not for me. I don't mind a bit paying for NSA sex, but paying for dinner conversation just doesn't do it for me
If your paying multi hour and 2 hours of that is very good meal somewhere where you are also paying the bill, should dinner On-The-clock time be discounted?
Let's not forget what it's about. We are paying for time. Doesn't matter if it's in a room watching T.V. after a good cumming. Or at dinner with an elegant lady. It's about time. Unless you are just looking for one thing in your provider and you are doing her a favor by being seen in public with her.
That's just that "the method" used to stay legal and/or to present plausable deniability. It's intellectually dishonest.
I maintain the YOU PERSONALLY ( as well as all hobbyists ) will not pay a woman $300 to spend an hour with you, unless YOU are CERTAIN the two of you will choose to have sex as consenting adults.
Remember who is on this board. You aren't fooling anyone
give any retort you want. Call me a fat bastard, jerk, homo, whatever. Rip me a new one, if you want. But don't humiliate yourself by using a comeback that it the standard for a damn teenager!
Of course I don't know you, nor you me. You COULD be a teenage boy gettgin jack-off material on here for all I know.
But... Since posting here as man indicating you use the services of providers, I am going to go out on a limb with deductive reasoning and say, with incredible certainty, while offering 10-to-odds:
That YOU PERSONALLY (as well as all hobbyists) will not pay a woman $300 to spend an hour with you, unless YOU are CERTAIN the two of you will choose to have sex* as consenting adults.
*I'll bundle in fetish here, for true fetishists that don't seek standard sexual interaction.
To keep this in context, my atatement is not an omnipotent revelatioin but a contextual response to you assertion that 'hobbying' is all about paying for a 'provider's time' even if you just watch TV or whatever. THAT is bullshit.
Othere than that, I think you're swell!! *bro-hugs*
Now you give me your HONEST candid reply where you tell me you book a lady for one hour, $300 (or more, fine) and you just BE together with her, nothing more--just talk, relate, gaze at each other, with no touching beyond what you would do with your mom*--and I will retract my BULLSHIT call, and stand corrected.
SO... HAVE YOU?
HH
*If you're oedipal in any way, however, I retract my stance.
But money I could have spent. I payed her to talk and be honest. She knew why I was there and was fine with it. Booked her for two hours. The information I got help me greatly in my marriage. I got some questions answers, she got paid, and no one got fucked. It was all perfectly legal too. So at least one hobbyist has booked a provider knowing he isn't getting lucky that night. I paid $600 for 2 hours of no sex, you lost your bet.
"(as well as all hobbyists)"
Guess you owe him some money on your bet as I am a hobbyist.
But you did say and I quote "as well as all hobbyists" that line opened it up to everyone, so I had to point out your error in judgement. Capitalizing certain word in your unquoted quote does not change what words mean. It just puts emphasis to certain words not change the meaning of others. Now read your own post carefully.
There is indeed one mangina I know who has payed the ladies full asking price and not wanted the to do the deed with the lady, that mangina is me.
and only paid the hourly rate for dinner on one occasion. The dinner was more then her hourly rate, and to this day I feel that it was probably my most stupid moment in the hobby. $700 to watch her eat. WTF!
Find em, feel em, fuck em, forget em. I don't really care to add a fifth "F" at least on the clock. And yes, I have dined with providers. It's off the clock and always my treat.
If she want more dinner dates with average budget men, YES.
To illustrate lets use a provider who charges $300 hour straight
Those men who can budget say $300 per month are not likely to chose one $900/3hr dinner date 4 times a year. They'll opt for $300 1hr lets-get-to-it session each month instead.
If she offered a $400 Dinner/Dessert, it might attract such a client or even attract the "I pay $0 to watch her eat" guys to book a DD.
But she wants to have dinner dates exclusively with men who can drop $K for one evening, or she doesnt want to be in the company of any client for less than that $300 hour, then the answer is NO.
If she HATES dinner dates &/or longer sessions she might even do something like $300 hr $500 90 min $1000 Dinner (with 1 hour dessert time)
I have seen one provider who does that. (I assumed the rate stucture was not do poor math skills)
Parsing a dinner date expense as though it were purely an economical calculation is stupid in my opinion. I have made it clear to several provider friends that if I took them to a terrific dinner and let them order what they pleased it was off the clock. If they didn't like that, they would demur, no harm done. Some did, some didn't. I would NEVER pay someone to eat dinner with me, beyond a free meal and those who do so are fools, IMO. But it is their money and their business, and if they like it, who cares?
You say "provider friends" -- that's comparing apples and oranges both with OP and the marketing angle.
I have only had dinner with a provider OTC. I wont pay a provider standard rate for a dinner companion. However, the examples about marleting are solid. And its not always about "watching them eat."
If she doesn't mind me refering to her, go take a look at JuliasLilSecret website. (she has posted recently on this board) This is an example of a good pricing and marketing strategy.
I would book her for a dinner date. Why? because generally I don't see providers I haven't met and talked with. Just the way I am. There are others with my preference as well, which is another client niche that her approach up her market too.
Addditional, who the fuck cares what you think about other peoples preferences. You may like to foldle your dogs balls, and I may think you are a sick mofo, what what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
A lady makes her determination about rates, and dinner dates for whatever reason. If her choices are a marketing strategy, they can be evaluated. If they are personal, so be it.
Bottom line is YES, she should charge less for the BCD time at dinner IF SHE WANTS to attact more of that lind of session overall.
Simple enough for any monger to figure out. But as for me it took me a while to determine how I wanted to play with the "dinner time" question.
As I began to learn how this game was played (and reading the replies to this question over a year now) it dawned on me that paying a gal her BCD rates for dinner was just not something I felt like doing any longer. I didn't regret that I had done this quite a few times before, as I didn't know any better, and at the time felt right.
But as others have said here, to pay a lady that coin to eat and have her company. Well, that is just not something I have done now for some time. And as others have discussed, I will be happy to have lunch/dinner with a gal I have just seen for 2 hours, but OTC and that is clearly discussed before we leave.
As GaG suggested, when I am doing this OTC I am well aware that a gal may be forgoing other sessions. But that is her call, and not mine. I will certainly accomodate her if she has an appointment for later in the afternoon and needs to shorten that lunch/dinner time....no problem.
But the real question you're asking...you simply want to make your opinion known that you don't like this deal. And the simple solution is...don't buy a dinner date package. Simple enough.
And for the question of why can the provider charge for this...the answer is simple enough as well:
What about extended time, 8+ hours? Her rates are her rates no matter if we eat or not. I guess I'm asking if you were to book that long would you make time for dinner? If so, do you feel you're losing BCD time? Or would you just bring a sack lunch & not leave the room?
and I suppose there's some providers who could tell tales about that.
But to the issue at hand, the practice varies all over the lot from one gal who won't have dinner at all for any price in order to maintain boundaries to others who love to dine and often do so off the clock with guys they like.
There's also a lot of in between.
I can see that some providers would charge at least as much if not more because when in the bedroom, things are pretty well scripted and after all, sex can be fun.
But when dining with someone, you really have to be on, and that is mentally taxing. I know because in business I often take clients to lunch or I get treated to lunch. It's not fun to have to think about every single word you say and keep in mind the impression you are making on a person.
Remember guys, this is fun time for you, but the gal's profession and bread and butter.
Then there's the slobs to consider and the dry cleaning bills they create when the spare rib they attack ends up in your lap.
I think I'm offically in love with you! lol I love the way you think! I used to be a popular, very well reviewed lady in FL and I believe we had some exchanges.
Anyway,
Cheers!
XoXo
Holly Kincaid
Posted By: mrfisher
and I suppose there's some providers who could tell tales about that.
But to the issue at hand, the practice varies all over the lot from one gal who won't have dinner at all for any price in order to maintain boundaries to others who love to dine and often do so off the clock with guys they like.
There's also a lot of in between.
I can see that some providers would charge at least as much if not more because when in the bedroom, things are pretty well scripted and after all, sex can be fun.
But when dining with someone, you really have to be on, and that is mentally taxing. I know because in business I often take clients to lunch or I get treated to lunch. It's not fun to have to think about every single word you say and keep in mind the impression you are making on a person.
Remember guys, this is fun time for you, but the gal's profession and bread and butter.
Then there's the slobs to consider and the dry cleaning bills they create when the spare rib they attack ends up in your lap.
during dinner only if she was willing to let me direct that portion of the session to please me.
That would include chosing what she ate, how she ate it, and how much she ate. I wouldn't mind if she had to go the the ladies room to go ROMAN after she finished off the Eel Sashima with Country Gravy and Guacamole using chopsticks and a jumbo straw; we then could move on to the Boiled Ocra with Cinnamon and Honey as finger food and chug a beer float to top wash it down.
If she never showed a gag reflex I'd know I was in for a good time after dinner
If you say so, but you might want to run that by the lady the next time you're making your arrangements, rather than seeking some kind of consensus here. After all, you'll find out soon enough if she feels she "should." I'm betting she doesn't feel she "should."
it is best to play it low key. If you act demanding and pushy on the phone you are much less likely to receive a discount then if you are sweet and conversational.
I have mixed feelings on this subject, particularly in regard to going over time for whatever reason. In general, if the dinner is to precede the main event, it would seem only right that time be compensated, at least to some pre-determined degree. Some providers may rightly argue that time is time and they don't really otherwise care to waste productive hours on a social dinner. OTOH, if it comes after the event and is more or less impromptu and mutually agreed as due to good chemistry, my thoughts are that buying a nice meal and bottle of wine is quite enough. I would kind of like to have that sort of thing work out, someday. I even kind of fantasize about going back on the clock for repeat rounds afterward.
Personally, I couldn't give a shit about eating out with a provider unless I've already established some level of connection beyond an ardent desire to fuck her. However, if you enjoy being seen out in public with a beautiful, sexy woman, you probably should expect to pay for that time.
Posted By: WorldRenoundPussyHound
If your paying multi hour and 2 hours of that is very good meal somewhere where you are also paying the bill, should dinner On-The-clock time be discounted?
I don't normally do dinner dates for other reasons, but broke down recently. Now her 'dinner date' date is 4 hours, and is priced at exactly 2x her normal hourly rate. It includes approximately 2 hours of 'dinner time' and 2 hours of 'date time', so you could say that the dinner time was free. But then I never pay 2x the hourly rate for a 2-hour date. I only book 2 hours or longer, and I always book with someone who has slightly better rates for longer dates. In some cases, much better. After all, while she could set up two or more dates in that time, there is less risk, half the travel time, etc.
So I figure that the 'date time' was still at slightly less than 2x the hourly rate, and the 'dinner time' wasn't quite free. But a good time was had by all, and the dinner and drinks weren't outrageous. And I will go back to see her, but I'd rather do a late night date ending in a high quality champagne breakfast or brunch.
If so then, yes, you should absolutely pay for the pleasure of walking into a public restaurant with a beautiful young woman. Think about it. If you were a 30 year old hot guy, would you feel comfortable walking into a fine restaurant arm-in-arm with a crusty woman who was old enough to be your grandmother?
So you now realize why women charge for dinner. A lot of guys love the attention and stares.-- A lot of women DONT!!!
I charge extra for public humiliation, AHEM-- I mean dinner dates.
OTOH, If you look like a halfway decent guy and the girl feels comfortable with you, then thats a different story. But take the lady's perspective into account. Geez. She can buy her own dinner. Dont act like you're doing her a favor by feeding her-- off the clock.
but HP makes a good point, and it's one of the reasons I don't like to pay for "public time" it makes me feel just like one of the Shrek impersonators that could never get a woman to accompany them anywhere, much less an intimate dinner without paying for it.
I actually enjoy having dinner out, good food and wine are two of my many vices, lol. My feelings on the subject are that if a woman wants to have dinner because she enjoys my company no further donation is really necessary above and beyond her BCD time, and if she doesn't really care for my company, paying her isn't going to change that, and do I really want to spend time "talking" to someone who obviously doesn't like me?
As we have said around here from the beginning, the easiest way to tell if a provider actually likes you is to take the envelope out of the equation, but remember guys, you might not like the answer you get. If you want honesty for the women you see, just ask for OTC and honesty is what you'll get. lol
Definitely. You understand the point I was trying to get at beyond my tequila-induced post last night.
If you have to pay her for dinner, that should tell you something about your relationship with the provider. Not that theres anything wrong with paying for a lady to accompany you out-- in my opinion. Ive done it many, many times in the form of dinner, social events, vacations etc. Vacations are especially tough. Acting like you are completely comfortable with someone--in public and private-- for several days, when you're really not, is one reason I rarely or never take guys up on offers for a "free" vacation.
But then again, I am a minority and most of my clients are significantly older and of a different race than me, so that could be why I am particularly sensitive to stares that I tend to recieve when out on pubic dates with clients.
I don't really ever get stares when out in public with a beautiful woman of any color, maybe it's because i am of mixed race and not "that" old yet. lol BTW, you know I can see "behind the curtain" and I not just making idle speculation as to your looks.
and I can't imagine how stressful it must be for a woman to be "on" for several days at a time with someone she feels no attraction to whatsoever. Nothing at all free about that.
I can only speak for myself, but while I have no issues with paying for sex, more for the NSA part of it than the sex itself in many cases, but I have to high a regard for myself to reduce myself to paying for "company"
Now there are exceptions to that, I can see paying for a dinner or overnight date at the prevailing rates when traveling and not wanting to have to "work" for it. lol but by and large, I want anyone I am spending extended time to be there of her own accord and not because "it's a job"
Guys oogling me? Sometimes yes, but often times the stares that Im referring to are coming from the wives of fellow restaurant partons-- or younger women looking at us like, "WTF??!!"
A 60 year old white guy with a 25 or 30 year old woman (especially a minority woman) is usually going to attract curiosity and attention. From older women, the attention is probably going to be negative because our mere presence reminds them of the subject of infidelity. From older men, yes they are probably oogling lol!
Me and my clients cant really pass for husband/wife or father/daughter. All thats left is client and pro or married man with mistress
So this was what I was trying to get at-- I dont like the attention. But the guys seem to enjoy it. Go figure!
It would not bother me at all to walk in with a 97 year old, fat, ugly, toothless, homeless street walker. Then again I don't give a fuck what a bunch of random judgmental hypocrites think. I do look almost as good as Shrek so maybe I have compassion for the ugly because I am an ugly, fat man.
I always thought that the ladies charged for dinner because, the have to be on their "A" game with a client and time is money. I didn't realize it was because we as ugly people are not worthy. What do I know, I am not a lady.
One thing though, I have some how managed to con multiple pros into asking to eat with me OTC, despite looking worse then Shrek. I hate the fact that eating with me was such a public humiliation for them but it is funny how they seemed to enjoy it. I guess they all must be masochists that are into public humiliation. I learned something today.
If the ladies went to dinner with you off the clock, then obviously you are not Shrek and my post was not meant for you.
But yes, you are right about us having to be on our A game.
Ladies have to get all dolled up, hold their fork correctly, order foie gras and a glass of pouilly-fuisse without sounding like an idiot, and hold a halfway intelligent conversation, all while looking happy and relaxed-- to pull off a successful dinner date. Plus the gawks you recieve when walking in with your grandfather... Public dinner can be a little stressful
Or even an "un oaked" Chardonnay. I hate having to order the crap wines most places sell by the glass I may have to get a restaurant list from you sometime. lol
and I can see getting gawks when walking in with your grandfather of another color. Oh well, I guess I will have to deal with that myself someday, but someday is still a long ways away. lol
I'm sure the scenario you describe does happen. But it's not the only way it works. Personally, I would never pay to have dinner with a provider. I am happy to pay for sex. The last time I had dinner it was OTC. We'd just finished a very vigorous session. She let me know she had no further clients that evening. A few minutes later she said she was starving. I said, "how about I take you dinner; just friends?" She said "sure!" I told her to pick whatever place she wanted and she chose a fairly modest Indian place. We talked mostly about her business plans. She didn't have to know hot to eat foi gras (though I bet she does), just to stay away from my Vindaloo. We both had fun. It wasn't hard. And some people did gawk. I enjoyed that, too.
I think it should and I do offer a diner+ fun package for a discounted price... Now some ladie consider that time talking, F**ing or eating should be the same fee, time is time no matter what we do with it... I do sale time to, but I do consider that the services within that length of time should be a consideration, this is why I do discount however, I understand the provider who doesn't, time is valuable to them.
Some women just have their hourly rate decrease a bit as the number of hours booked increases... my hourly rate is lower for a dinner date, and this works for me. My hour rate is higher because it doesn't matter if you book me for an hour, or for five, I'm still going to get dolled up and that takes the same amount of time!
Why would anyone pay a woman to eat dinner with them? I do dinner dates with my favs all the time but the dinner part is always off the clock. I certainly wouldn't expect a provider to offer a freebie nor, in all honesty, would I expect her to alter her rate for a customer who is paying for several hours of her time.
A dinner date, strictly from the provider's POV is still a block of her time and that is ultimately what you are paying for. As I said, in my experience I've never had to pay for time during dinner but that's not going to happen on a first appointment.
If it is YOUR idea that we should do a dinner date I have 1, the price is reduced during dining hours and I expect you to pick up the check....
However, if it is MY idea to have breakfast/lunch/dinner then it is on me unless it is suggestted because I know you need more time and like to talk alot(this gets you talk time at a discounted rate). This ONLY happens with PAST guests I really like and see regularly. Sorry new guys, but it is a perk of knowing me well. As well, I have also met up with past guests for a meal off the clock when they were in a severe issue without expectation of a meeting after. They need a friend and I was there.
So I think the main thing is if you are the one that wants to have the dinner date then you pay, but you can ask if there is a discounted rate for out time and keep in mind groping in public is not ok just because you are paying us. It will generally proceed the evening.
If we suggest going out to eat, then it is usually off the clock and after the session
After a nice session that ends around dinner time, I'll ask if my companion has eaten, and if she hasn't, I'll offer to take her for dinner. If she's busy, she'll decline, and if she wants it to be on the clock, she'll tell me. However, I've had several agree to let me buy them dinner, and we've gone out and had a wonderful time, with the time off the clock. In fact, one time, I knew she had another appointment after, so I was courteous and let her take her dessert "to go", and I dropped her back off at her incall. Another time, I booked a 2 hr appt that crossed the dinner hour, and I offered to bring in sushi to share between rounds.
However, if you tell her up front that you want a "dinner-date", then her hourly rate is her hourly rate for her "time" to "escort" you to dinner or whatever you have in mind.
If your paying multi hour and 2 hours of that is very good meal somewhere where you are also paying the bill, should dinner On-The-clock time be discounted?
I once booked a three-hour duo with two lovely ladies down in Florida. It was supposed to be an afternoon date with dinner afterward as a "tip". They were held up by horrible weather, got there very late, so we ended up staying in the whole time and got room service. It was great fun sitting around the table, all of us eating in the nude. I'm not sure exactly how long they stayed but they certainly weren't watching the clock. It was a great time.
just a few pages ago. The upshot is that most of you on TER are NOT the target market for women who charge for dinner dates, or "dinner, date and dessert." Most of you want your nut and only your nut, which is fine and dandy.
You don't find it at all wrong to take a lady for dinner OTC because you "pay attention" to the fact they have other sessions lined up. It's still her time and as such you could conceivably pay her. But, you take to task any man who wants to pay for the dinner too.
This OP didn't ask even that; he wanted to know if dinner "should" be discounted - and most of you basically tore into him for even thinking of paying any portion of dinner (which means, of course, that your answers are "Yes, it should be discounted although payment for any dinner time should be done away with altogether.").
As was stated in the other thread, "Dinner dates only" and "Dinner, date & dessert" is for a different kind of gentleman than most of you men here on TER.
Just something I think the poster needs to be aware of. TER and those of us who inhabit its boards (including me) are not the be all and end all of hobbying. There are many boards out there, and many more providers who don't even log onto to the boards. They're doing just fine as Dinner Dates Only escorts.
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My hour rate is higher because it doesn't matter if you book me for an hour, or for five, I'm still going to get dolled up and that takes the same amount of time!