With $800-1k being more common among the top ladies, and some fetching $1200-$1500, and even more, for one hour, I can't help but wonder if there is a price point where ladies who never thought they would consider the hobby, say oh fuck it. Or is the price point a non factor to entering the escort world?

At first thought, it would certainly seem to be more of an enticement to enter. But then I thought, are civie women really keeping tabs of the rising pricing in p4p? That might be a bit of a stretch.  
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I think it may be more of a situation where women who were going to get in eventually anyway, may say to themselves that the money is just too good to pass up any longer.

Seems like over the last few years I’ve seen more porn stars get into escorting.

saw these high prices advertised and wanted to get in on the action.   They usually get a rude awakening when they find their own pussy with limited experience is not worth anything close to what professionals with many years' experience get, and when they finally find where THEIR relative price point is, it's not as attractive to them as it seemed at first blush.  A new girl will feel like a slut at $300 an hour, but she will feel like an "elite escort" at $1000 an hour.  They don't want to do it if they will feel like a slut, and there is no way they will last more than a week charging $1000 with no experience.  Reality is often a bitch.  Lol

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You're right, the average civie is not keeping up. So it would have to be a scenario where they found out but were not looking. A few ideas come to mind. Civies who are friends with escorts might hear about it from them. They might hear about it from their guy friends. They could get approached by a guy at a bar or club with a "how much would it take" question. 10 years ago when finding a top escort for $300 hour wasn't hard, this question might have gotten laughed at if she replied, "$3000 for the night." But these days, a guy who is willing to shell out for an overnight, might very easily look the civie in the eye and say, "deal." Now whether she really follows through or not is another story. This could be a bluff call where she wouldn't do it no matter what. More likely, she slaps him in the face when he asks the question and doesn't give him a price. But I have to imagine that there are non escorts out there who couldn't refuse an offer for a nice chunk of money. And, this could be a Gateway to getting into the biz.

This happens all the time on IG, it is a underground world that is openly talked about. Rappers call it "getting flown out." Models (or wannabes) post their pics on Instagram, guys with money slide into the DMs and start conversations. Offers are made and never discussed again. Modeling usually doesn't pay well yet these girls have designer brands and hang out in expensive places. How else can they afford it?

No, they absolutely are not. My family doctor's assistant asked me how much I  get an hour (they all know what I do for a living) and when I told her 250 she almost fell out of her chair. She said "guys actually pay that much?!?" LOL I did not have the heart to tell her that I am WAAAYYY on the low end or she would have quit right there!!!

There is a lot of evidence that a lot of women have entered sex work over the past few years, especially during the COVID boom. That being said I met a handful of women when I hung out at sex/swinger clubs that decided to become escorts. They usually started in one form of sex-work, like camming/OF/stripping, before "graduating" to FSSW. They were always very promiscuous and adventurous in their private life before getting into FSSW. Some of them also did a lot of cocaine. Most of them go into it for the money but its definitely easier to be a whore if you're already a slut.

The industry has changed a lot since Jenna Jameson signed her $1M exclusive VIVID contract. Most porn stars don't make that much money from porn and they don't get royalties. Most porn sites don't make much money either (because of pirating and tube sites). Most sources indicate average pay for a woman is like $1K/scene with top performers getting $2K. They probably make more hourly fucking a client than they make while on set. Sources indicate that women get fewer bookings these days. Also, there are a few porn stars who started with escorting before going into OnlyFans and mainstream porn who never stopped escorting. It used to be very taboo but these days nobody seems to care. I'm surprised how many women on the front page of PornHub openly escort these days.

Not at all a surprise. About 20 years ago, I used to do this on Myspace. Usually, they were local. Some wanted to go out on a date, some wanted to just come over, or me come to them, and fuck. These ones were not really pay for sex so a little different.

Wife starts packing her bags in a fury over the latest outrage from husband. Says to husband:
I'm going to Vegas!
Husband: Why?
Wife: Because I can get $500 a pop for what I've been giving you for free!
Husband hurriedly starts packing.  
Wife: Where are you going?
Husband:  Vegas. I want to see you live on $1,000 a year.

Lucky for us (reviewers), there must be 50 ways to start providing… Make a new plan Stan! Jump on the bus Gus! Don’t need to be coy Roy! Just listen to me! (SB, porn actress, wannabe OF star, stripper!)

Sales & Marketing is all about perception, making the customer(s) believe what you want them to believe so that they will part with their money to the tune of whatever you are asking.

I can still remember porn stars such as Lisa Ann bashing escorts as losers and bottom feeders.  She was not the only one. In their minds, porn and stripping were ok, but escorting was beneath them.

Porn's attitude change towards escorting mirrors societies attitude change. It's all thanks to the internet and rise of the independent provider. Before Craigslist and online advertising, most escorting either involved dealing with streetwalkers and their pimps, seedy underground brothels or taking the chance on calling an agency/village voice. It was very dangerous and risky for the escort and client, which gave rise to its seedy reputation. When it moved online to CL and review sites popped up, the reality immediately shifted. The pimps are gone, the escorts and clients are meeting safely in hotels. The reality of the job changed. The perception changed from "desperate, drug-addled woman exploited by pimp" to "empowered, independent and entrepreneurial escort."

Did someone say TED Talk?  
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJRBx0JjM_M
What do sex workers want? | Juno Mac
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7xLfeTytns
What a sex worker can teach us about human connection | Nicole Emma

Most girls I’ve known came into the business because they had a friend who was involved or they were otherwise involved in the industry as a stripper, cam girl, nude model, etc.  
The money is definitely a motivator but I haven’t known anyone whose only catalyst was the money.  

This is a good breakdown of your experience and it makes a lot of sense. It's like diving into cold water. If you know it's cold, you are more likely to dip your feet in and slowly make your way in. Some will decide it is too cold for them and never go in after testing the waters. Very few just dive in. Since escorting is Taboo, and I would say on the higher end of that spectrum, it makes sense that many get there through a gateway like stripping. I have known others who started off as waitress' at strip clubs before stripping. I actaully had a femal friend in college who did exactly that.

Thanks for posting this! Both of these TED talks are excellent!! I have shared them on X.  

Interesting that you mentioned girls you met in sex/swinger clubs had taken the leap into the world of sex for pay.  

You're right, there is a lot of hypocrisy, contradictions in that scene when it comes to sex work, lots of smoke and mirrors. Some sex clubs actually hire women to be "hosts." They'll act like a regular guest or a type of promoter but it is pretty clear they are getting paid to have sex with other patrons of the club. This is kind of frowned upon, however.  

Great reply

is not really posted rate but rather the change in income. Even at 5000 a pop (forget time, just act) I can see a lot of women that are making 200K and more a year would likely not see it as a viable option.  That certainly changes for a woman making 5K a year and trying to feed a child.

Very good post. I was having lunch with a great friend who is also a provider just this week. She often talks to me on a business level,  advice, strategies, market etc. We had this (almost) this exact conversation.  

Curious about her unique screening process…

Let's not forget about the guy who had quick sex with a lady then paid her for her service.    

Lol

Basically.... she sets up a quick meet and greet with every new client whenever possible. Which can be very time consuming but it seems to work for her. She keeps it at like 15-20 min. max. During the meet up she gets references or TER info etc. If they act weird during that time, she simply finishes up and later declines. If the guy is simply not her cup of tea she'll do the same.

I saw a gal in Connecticut a few times. The first time we met she insisted on having lunch first. I told her that would be out of my price range and she told me that the time would be on her, just that once.

That's really a great way to screen. I suppose it's not popular due to being somewhat time consuming. Her meet ups are short. Coffee shop style setting. I think she sets up to appear to be working and then sets up 2-3 meet ups while she is there. It's really a pretty good plan.

I like this method of screening very much that Holystone has outlined here!   it makes total sense to me......

Maybe it’s not the rate that needs tweaking but the packages offered?  
For example, does she like longer appointments?  
They tend to attract the same kind of gent…

It CAN work, but I'm sure some creeps would be on their best behavior during the meal, so I'm sure some ladies would object to the lunch/dinner being the sole form of screening.

Time is money.  I know some Providers who would not do this unless they were paid their normal rate.  Some advertise social hour at a smaller rate but I'd be you'd be hard pressed to have this idea go mainstream.

This is essentially what most sugar babies do but many of them charge for the first date. Some escorts offer paid social meetups. I think most providers avoid this because guys will take advantage of the screening process to get a free date and the opportunity to talk to a hot girl for a few minutes.

A short shot at it is probably best. 10/15 minutes don't give the guy a ton of time to put on a show (so to speak).
The ladies instinct will have to be on duty! It's not a full proof plan but is a solid one 90% of the time.

Do a search and read comments on this board about what providers think about "timewasters."  If you build up a long-term relationship as a regular customer, there are providers who will treat you more like a friend and do things with you OTC, but expecting a provider that doesn't know you and hasn't yet seen one dime of business from you to meet OTC just makes you look like a cheap ass trying to score freebie time.  You need to learn how everything works so you don't ask such stupid questions.  Past discussion board threads are a great place to learn.  

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has no substantive response, it's a surrender.  Bitch-slappings are never pretty, but sometimes they are necessary to enlighten someone to read the room before they keep posting bullshit.  In one of your posts, you even referred to your own posts as bullshit.  Hopefully, we are now ALL on the same page and we can expect more relevance out of you if you decide to stay here.