I have the misfortune to have recently been diagnosed with genital warts. I have been treated but, I am wondering how I proceed from here. The Dr. indicated I could expect them to clear up in a week or so and that they do not necessarily recur.

I would like to hear from other hobbyists who have had similar experiences.

Also, I would like to hear from some of the providers as to their feelings on the subject. What should I do? Call up all the ladies I have seen in the past several months and tell them? I will feel very uncomfortable seeing anyone in the future, Should I tell them?

Any help anyone can give me is welcome.
Thanks

First, What city are you located? Second, this disease is incurable but treatable. IT IS STILL POSSIBLE TO SPREAD THE VIRUS EVEN IF YOU DON'T SEE THE WARTS.

You should be very responsible here. contact those you think might be affected. It could even be an anonymous phone call or an email from a hotmail account. These people have the right to know and get tested.

No more sex with providers. Even if you use a condom, this is spread from skin-to-skin contact. They catch it and it spreads to the many men she's going to be with. And they pass it on to their wives/SO. Not only that, it can cause cervical cancer in women AND it can be passed on to a fetus. Please do the right thing.

Finally, what were some of your activities? BBBJ? CBJ-only? CFS? DATY?

You absolutely should tell anyone you've been intimate with. Genital warts are caused by HPV (Human papilloma virus) and have been linked with an increased risk of cervical cancer in women. I'm sure that there are many here on the board that have much more extensive knowledge about HPV than I and will be happy to pass along much more detailed information to you but first and foremost you need to do what's right and contact everyone that you've had contact with. It's not HIV, but it has potentially devastating effects on women.



P.S.  Before anyone asks, I do not have the condition myself.

And let the people you came in contact know.

if whoever is infected doesn't "do the right thing" they would be doing the whole hobbying "community" a great disservice  ... a criminal one at that, almost!

that Eagle didn't contract the warts FROM a provider?

In fact, what do you guys think the prevalence of genital herpes and warts is among providers, given the fact that both viruses are incurable and don't have visible symptoms between outbreaks...and spread in-spite of the use of condoms?!

There was a Doc on UtopiaGuide who posted that there was a 60% chance of getting herpes during a BBJ from an infected provider...


Just wondering...

Reo the right thing ... see a Doc and abstain till further notice

I have seen a doctor and have been treated. I am in the process of contacting everyone I have seen in recent months. Thanks, everyone for the advice. I guess it is time to "retire" from the hobby.

So, if there are no symptoms, you can't see the damn things, and it's spreadable even with the use of condoms, then what does one do???

he contracted this from a provider!  i'm not sure what your point is. he had to contract it from SOMEONE ...  HPV warts don't get transmitted from frogs you know! LOL

look, me and everyone telling him to abstain from screwing providers is not a moral judgement or anything, it's a common sense (not to mention common courtesy) and a health-conscious practice, that's all

From what I hear female condoms protect better because they cover more skin area . but I would guess this is just one of the risk of the game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry wrong post

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I agree... this in my opinion is the biggest drawback of the hobby. And the scariest. For providers it's even harder. For starters I would join the group of providers who don't give BBBJ.

I try to only see reviewed providers who are extremely careful (CBJ and preferably no DFK).

Then what I try to do: No DFK, No DATY, cover everything, listerine, and shower after.

I'm paranoid and scared about this and I have good reason to be since I live in NJ/NY area where there's a higher prevalence of these things.

The only good news here is that Merck has an excellent vaccine for HPV-16 in phase III clinical trials.  It appears to offer 100% protection against infection.  Of course it only protects against one variant of HPV and does no good if you are already infected.

Damn! I'm supposed to be somewhere else right now, but am I? Nooo..this dang board is an obsession..
Ok..on with it, S.
Let's come up with some better solutions then, or preventative measures. Do you think we should accept and expect no more DFK, then? Would you still see a provider if she didn't? What about CBJ's? Should we try and move the Hobby practice in that direction? (Argh.. I really love those bbbj's..)
How does someone know if they are infected NOW?
What's the most common way to get them do you think? DFK, DATY?
Would you guys prefer we used female condoms? Any ideas? It will obviously take the participation of both the ladies and the gentlemen..
Man, put me in a room full of snakes and I'm fine compared to talking about this stuff - I feel creepy all over! Is there a Hobbying Doc in the house?

Covers and DFK probably only really matter for infections transmitted through a mucous membrane.  If the wart is on an area not protected by the cover and can be passed through an area not protected by the cover, well you see my point.

If you read the link it says there is a test, they don't have it in St. Louis, but unless there is something wrong with your name, then that shouldn't be a problem for you.LOL
No wonder you never have any time to answer you PM's LOL

By the way there is this other group of health care professionals who I know you are familiar with who know alot about dental care and oral transmission of disease.  If you have seen one recently, you might ask him a question about a distant cousin who is concerned about oral herpes, etc.

Not really my field so I wouldn't want to post anything I couldn't back up but I sincerely doubt that eliminating DFK and BBBJ is going to stop genital herpes.

In your June 23rd post about STD testing, you said "Here's what I'm assuming YOU men do:" and went on to list some sensible steps that we men should be doing.

As a start, don't assume. I mentioned in my response to your post that I have started asking providers about their testing protocols.

Will that be 100% protection against STD's? Of course not, STD's are a risk of this business/hobby. We accept the risk and try to minimize it as much as possible by routine testing.

By the way - off the top of my head, I can think of two awesome CBJ only/no DFK sessions that I experienced in the past few months. Obviously not my preference, but it can work.

Sorry to hear of your problem, but one very improtant that you failed to mention is exactly what type of warts.  I'm had absolutely no medical training, but it's my understanding there are a wide vaiety of these..perhaps with different forms of transmission, some maybe even air-borne.

While I've heard that all are a form of herpes, not all require sexual contact of any nature to infect someone.  I once had one on a finger, but very long ago before I became sexually active at all.  And then there are cold sores usually on a lip, which again aren't necessarily sexually transmitted.  So your individaul worries MAY be unwarranted, but you should defintely restrain from any sexual activity until a complete diagnosis has been performed.  On a more sober note...the uncurable form of the dreaded herpes isn't 100% prevented by the use of condoms--it's transmitted through the pores.  

You should get more specific information from a medical expert (assuming you haven't already done so) & act accordingly.

This is exactly why I will not allow clients to rub their genitals around on my genitals.  The other activities are risky enough, but unprotected genital to genital contact is asking for a disease.  I can't understand why so many people try to do this and why they seem unhappy that I won't let them.  I just cannot do that because I have to be safe for myself as well as for all of the other people that I see plus their significant others.  I wonder if there are alot of men who do not realize how risky it is to rub genitals together.  They seem to think that because there isn't penetration that it is safe.  what do you think?  And there are over 30 different strains of genital warts, some increase the chance of cervical cancer in women, some do not even result in actual warts.  Therefore you may not know that u carry a strain of hpv b/c u never see a wart.

From Planned Parenthood (this is probably the best resource on the net for STI information):
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/sti/Warts.html
and for more general info, http://www.plannedparenthood.org/sti/stis_index.html

From Sue Johanson (she hosts a great sex information show on the oxygen network):
http://www.talksexwithsue.com/warts.html

The CDC and the WHO are very clinical, so you have to dig, but the info is there.  

From the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/od/program_brief_2001/Genital%20HPV%20Infection.htm
http://search.cdc.gov/search97cgi/s97is.dll?Action=filterSearch&Collection=CDCALL1&ResultTemplate=cdcnormal.hts&queryText=HPV&filter=newsearch.hts&SortField=score

From the WHO:
http://www.google.com/u/who?q=HPV&sitesearch=who.int&domains=who.int


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"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi

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I understand completely why providers give CBJ. If I wanted to DATY with a provider, I would make sure she did that. My ATF gives the best BJ I have ever had, BB or C. What I don't understand is how DFK has anything to do with it? Can it be passed that way? Just wondering and thanks for everyone's input.

According to a book that I have on oral sex, deep kissing poses a moderate risk of gonorrhea, hepatitis B, herpes, HPV also known as genital warts and syphilis. I don't know exactly how high a moderate risk is in the eyes of the author, but it means that deep kissing can transmit these diseases.

A small biotech company called Antigenics is working on a cure for Genital Herpes (just as contagious and uncurable at the moment we warts), but they are a few years away...

Singleton, my point was, the provider our friend contracted the warts from keeps spreading them...and her clients, who haven't been diagnosed yet....they are spreading this thing right now.
So whether he retires from the hobby or not, unfortunately, will make very little difference.

I just feel bad for his SO, because she WILL contract the warts as well...

I THINK (but not sure): w/ DFK you can catch Herpes-I, regular oral herpes, in your mouth. w/ BBJ catch Herpes-I on your member, and during sex, you can catch Herpes-II, genital herpes - again, regardless, whether or not you use a condom.

I searched the National Cancer Institute website (http://cancer.gov) and came up with the following:

There are 30 variants of HPV that can be sexually transmitted.  At least 13% of adults in the US have been exposed to HPV at one time because antibodies to the virus are present in their blood.  The variants that cause genital warts (most commonly HPV-6 and HPV-11) do not cause cancer and are considered embarrassing but harmless.  

There are a dozen HPV variants that have a high cancer risk.  The two most common variants, HPV-16 and HPV-18, account for two thirds of these high-risk infections.  Several drug companies are developing vaccines for these two variants.  In women the high-risk variants can cause abnormal flat growths in that are nearly invisible.  In men there are no symptoms.

The vast majority of HPV infections go away on their own, often without any symptoms.  In these cases the virus presents no danger to the infected person, but it may remain in a dormant state and still be transmitted to sexual partners.  Cervical cancer only becomes a concern when there is a persistent HPV infection with abnormal growths on the cervix over a period of years.  Only a very small percentage of infected women develop this condition.  Women over 30 should get a PAP-HPV DNA test to see if they have this high risk condition.

The main point here is that HPV is an extremely common STD and the vast majority of infections are harmless.  However, most people who have been infected are probably unaware of it.  In men, asymptomatic HPV is difficult to detect even with the DNA test.