What the lady offers is on the table is exactly contradictory to a car dealer giving better deals to some than others. Saturn's sticker-only approach would be an example of the "offer on the table". Your comparison makes zero sense.
Me thinks you read something making you think I'm advocating bartering down prices or that I am offering this deal to providers. I NEVER SAID THAT. I said I wish more would offer it to me and as SOP. I don't go around trying to low ball anyone. My desire is that more see this as a reasonable mutually beneficial idea and offer it.
You make up an awful lot!
I know the "easy answer" is to pay for more hours. But I'm not rich and that seems a bit too much. So what if, like me, it seems you need a fair amount of time between the first and second cup to finish?
One provider offered me an hour, then a dinner break off the clock - my treat of course - then dessert hour for a 2nd. That I think would work but many don't seem interested in that scenario unless they are being paid for the total 3-4 hours.
The reason I mention it is that I notice that when I do finish on the 2nd cup MOST OFTEN is when it has gone beyond the 2 hours. I also can easily finish a few hours later. While I can get up easily for the 2nd in an hour or two it just seems too compact to finish twice typically. It would be perfect if the break/down time didn't always have to be on the clock as I'm not that rich.
I guess another way is two appts hours apart but that isn't very practical most of the time and defeats the purpose of it being a long date-like experience.
Wish I was rich!
Sweetie - I don't want to sound unsympathetic, but let me see if I understand this. Because you can't get off twice for the price of one, you want 2 more hours for the price of dinner because you can't afford a full evening date with a professional.
I have news for you honey, there's a lot of guys who can't even afford ONE hour with a provider, much less two. So what we are supposed to provide charity? Christ we'd have lines into the next state.
Most providers would prefer to work the 2 hours for another $2-400.00 and buy thier own $20 dinner. You should count yourself fortunate to have had a special experience and not expect it to be the norm.
Sorry, no sypmathy sweetie... 
Hugs,
TS Jamie
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Even I am not that....... THRIFTY.
Thank You
2007=27
Promote that young lady to lifetime ATF status. It would seem as if she responds to you beyond the purely commercial aspect of the relationship.
And if it doesn't violate a trust, post her link! Please!
Sorry, but an hour is just an hour. If you cannot pop the weasel for the 2nd time before you hour is up, ummmm... that is on you. Why should a provider feel like crap, because you want to overstay your welcome???? Also, if you are going to over stay, at least tip the lady!!!!!! (and not just a five dollar bill either lol)
lordy..lol
Maybe I should have leaned it more toward why this provider is what more should strive for - CUSTOMER ORIENTED. But wow u folks r fuckin vicious. I'm sorry that I'm not able to pay for 4 hours every night with HDHs like some of u rich boys or do not think this "hobby" needs to be all about the $ in all and every aspect and at every turn, EXCUUUUUUUSSSSEEEE MMMMEEEEE! Am I that naive in thinking some people care about customer service and not just/entirely in just bleeding every cent they can out of every MARK THEY SEE. OUCH! I know some providers do it for a lot more reasons than JUST CASH. Wish more had her attitude and consideration.
man, this must be an alignment of the heavenly bodies for the most questionable posts ever... I mean this is positively the most sophomoric post ever! (and that includes mine!) What part of "you pay for their time" do you not get.... 3 hours, is 3 hours... they do not include lunch time! And while I have gone with providers "off the clock" it was agreed to prior to the appointment...
3-4 hour dates, are just that 3-4 hours...
Most disappointing time ever? I paid for 5 hours... and was given 4 - and 1 pop!! and bum rushed out the door to boot! that really sucked since I took the lady to a place that she requested we visit! But ordinarily, when I pay for 3, 4 or 5 hours, we do what one lady friend likes to call "bookends" - with the dinner in the middle... and with her, that is a real treat, as we seem to always have fun! but I am not silly enough to think that the dinner is going to be "off the clock"! it is a business dinner... and I often pay for those as well.
Is it just me.... or is there a silly trend going on?!
Yes, there is, and I'm going to do my best to encourage it.
There is a hidden agenda here, however. More on that another time.
Bizz you & Jamie spoke some sure nuff serious truth to this fella and I HOPE he takes heed to it .
Its like Golf ... if you can't afford the hobby stay home or get a 2nd job so you can afford your hobby.
I am far from a clock watcher and I am very generous with my time but damn this guy is asking way too much.
-Layla
I'd find a charity that services more than one person at a time and does something helpful to change a persons life. While getting a second cup of coffee for you might be very satisfying, I doubt that it is life changing.
Keep in mind, this is a business, not a charity. Every hour we spend with you not getting paid is time we've given up where we could have been paid.
Good Grief, Linus!
Let's start a charity group called "Nuns with bad habits." Bwhahahahahah
Hugs,
Ciara
I have the BINGO franchise.
Thank You
2007=27
bargain-seeking hobbyists can ask you what types of specials, multi-hour discounts, etc... you offer.
And you can answer, once again "nun."
Comedy is not hard -- at least not here.
TY for the favorable comparison to followme. I enjoy him very much.
I'm still working on getting up to the terrev level!
I'm glad you could find some humor in my post. Pretty sure buckeye wasn't impressed.
I do occasionally offer "specials", and I do have multihour discounts, but I do especially like the "nuns with bad habits" club. I'd fit right in there! LOL.
My friends tell me that I'm like a sex-starved nun...sweet, demur, and TOTALLY naughty!
Is an Orlando escort who offers 5 hours for the price of 2 and clearly 3 of those hours are off doing something like dinner at the guys expense.
This is the way these folks make their living and it is an expensive hobby for most of us.
The common solution is to wait a litte longer between sessions and then book for more time.
One other obvious suggestion might be to simply book two single hours 1-2 hours apart and leave and go get a bite or see a movie or whatever and then return for the 2nd appt hour. It's the same idea but without the provider getting a free meal - she could book someone in between if she wanted - obviously. Is that really so way out there an idea? I wonder if providers would frown on that - other than the $-hungry ones castrating my post above who would obviously FREAK! LOL lighten up i'm just kidding!
Seriously, if dinner or lunch off-the-clock is so heinous a thought then what about just a few hour gap between two separate appts with the same woman - obviously with different providers there would be no issue.
Of course that is the other alternative is to see 2 different providers, but that can be inconvenient for both parties and I'd think getting 2/3 hours paid and a free meal would maybe be better than just 1 and no others for some. Guess it depends on the provider.
Maybe I should have just asked the same ? everyone else does about getting STDs from oral for the 100th time instead! GEESH
Some traveling providers eat all alone most every meal, is it really that bad of an idea to offer such a deal and have some company? I've seen others with dinner-date deals/rates that resembled what I am talking about, I really don't see why it is that bad of an idea.
JMHO
first, "free meal" - there is no such thing as a free meal, I've certainly never had one ever since I left my mamma's house. The professional ladies that I know, schedule their time to be most efficient in capturing fees while at the same time delivering a quality experience to the hobbiest. Value for dollar is how I would best describe it. There are plenty of ladies I would love to be with, but know what, they are beyond my budget. There are a couple of ladies I would love to take to Vegas for R&R, but know what, I probably could not afford that without some serious discounts! And until I know them so well, that they say to me, know what Mr. Superdude, you're an OK guy, and maybe we could arrange to have some nice times together... in a different setting! Ahh, that would be nice. But unless and until that happens, I know the rules... WE ALL KNOW THE RULES.
As far as lunch off the clock... happening... I've actually been to a couple of dinners, lunches and breakfasts off the clock! And they were very special time - why? Because those happened when there was no expectation of sex. It was truly time that the provider cared to share with me... and I cherish that - Just as much and maybe more than the sex time! Some things just don't get any better - because it said to me, that this georgous woman who could have any man she wants, chose to have some down time - with me! Wow, what a complement.
Splitting appointments - I have heard of that being done.... a dip in the AM and on the way home - a dip in the PM... not bad... but getting off, going to Mickey D's and then returning? man, talk about cookie cutter sex... why would you even want that? - that is what AMPs are for...
as far as 2/3 hours paid, most of the ladies I know take continuous contractural time into consideration (that is, the absence of "down time" between apts.) and heavily discount their multi hour appointments that are beyond 2 hours... So I am not sure why you are complaining....
And you are correct, "some traveling providers" do eat alone.... but is your personality so razzle-dazzle that they should fall over and kiss your feet with freebie hours...? and why - if they wanted companionship should they not choose the companion of their choice?! That makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Finally, many do offer what you are asking. Are you asking them to discount even more? If so, then this thread (as most have appropriately surmised) is a very (read VERY, VERY) thinkly veiled attack on the ladies posted rates... and that, my friend, has been asked over 100 times... in just about every discussion topic board that TER has to offer.....
Or, perhaps it is the way you have chosen to frame the question....
And no, I am not a white knight coming to the rescue of damsals in distress, I am merely the next guy that the lady is to see, and when dudes who like to "get as much time as is possible" without paying for it are involved, I get a bit aggitated as it means that my session is gonna start late.
"I am merely the next guy that the lady is to see, and when dudes who like to "get as much time as is possible" without paying for it are involved, I get a bit aggitated as it means that my session is gonna start late."
That is serious twisting of what I posted. I said this should be UPFRONT! I too loathe aholes who try to get extra time and back up everyone else. My idea was not to weasel time that was allocated for someone else - never intimated that AT ALL! You are twisting that severely!
"Finally, many do offer what you are asking. Are you asking them to discount even more? If so, then this thread (as most have appropriately surmised) is a very (read VERY, VERY) thinkly veiled attack on the ladies posted rates... and that, my friend, has been asked over 100 times... in just about every discussion topic board that TER has to offer....."
Maybe it varies by city a lot, but most here do not offer such arrangements. Very few do. I am not attacking anyone. If so many do it, then why is it so attacked in this thread?
"And you are correct, "some traveling providers" do eat alone.... but is your personality so razzle-dazzle that they should fall over and kiss your feet with freebie hours...? and why - if they wanted companionship should they not choose the companion of their choice?! That makes no sense to me whatsoever."
Talk about a load of. If a lady is in town and knows NO ONE nor where to eat and has no car, how many choices of companion do they have and why is it so loathesome to spend a little time socializing with a client. Many have told me they eat all their meals as room service and feel isolated while on trips. Some gals meet for drinks with clients, off the clock, before an appt, is that also inappropriate? Who said anything about it being some "honor" that you offer them. I just said I don't see the harm and don't see why every second together has to be thought of as business.
"that is what AMPs are for..." and what if there are no AMPs in your area. Some folks are spoiled by a plethora of options and hundreds of choices. Some of us don't have it so good.
But you did say -- and I quote you, "It would be perfect if the break/down time didn't always have to be on the clock as I'm not that rich."
The breakdown time. Hmmmmm . . . we all knew exactly what you were talking about. Now, if you really meant that we wouldn't mind calling a friend if we're lonely in another town, then state that. However, you did not. We didn't miscontrue anything. Read your post again, darlin'! And - quite honestly -- if I'm done with an appointment and traveling (which means I'd be doing more than one appointment in the day which I hate), then I need some down time. Look at the other responses on the board. So . . . if there are ladies who are really out there that want you to take them to dinner free, then please tell us who they are, because I don't see anyone chiming in to say they would eat free and converse for three hours and then give you more on the clock. Granted, we all garner our clients/friends free time, but I think you're asking too much from most providers. If you can't afford it, then don't play. This is a hobby for you and a profession for us.
That is why they call it a "hobby." This is not "Let's have lunch. I'm bored." This is a job for us no matter how you look at it.
Hugs,
Ciara
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-- Modified on 7/13/2007 7:57:42 PM
I didn't backtrack that I don't think its necesarily great that a dinner break be on the clock. This idea that every second spent together has to be paid for is what I just don't necessarily think is proper - and of course you all think it is because it means more $ and has been the norm. And if it is not in your best interest you'd resist such a "change". Doesn't mean I can't see it differently.
It is a profession unless you flake out and are late etc. etc. Then it is "changed" to a hobby so such things are not seen as unprofessional. It should be a two way street. Why is it that if a client is 10 minutes late or jumps in the shower "in consideration for both of you" the clock has been ticking but when a provider is 30 minutes late it is tuff chit bud?
I never mentioned 3 hours either, maybe just a room service snack.
First, and always, I am professional. If I'm running late, I call and do not start my time until I get there with my gentleman, but usually it's incall anyway. Second, I dont start the time until the gentleman gets here. So . . . I don't know who you've been seeing, but -- again -- you need to look at reviews of ladies more carefully. If you choose right, you won't have a problem. If you think we want to have lunch with you, that's our decision but I doubt it. I have another job and life activities I have to schedule around (to include good friends that I'd rather be having dinner with). Sorry, just realistic. Me thinks you need a girlfriend. 
Hugs,
ciara
As Ciara stated, I was responding to your original post - as were we all, hobbiest and escort. And this particular lady has shared with her friends of herself, in very unselfish ways. But on a VERY first meet!? lol! nope. not at all.
And dude, in my experience, I've been late! and the ladies have always been gracious... heck, to a fault... have they been late? in my area of the country, with traffic as it is? you bet! I plan on it. I've also flown across the country to meet a lady for the first time... did I expect anything extra from her? no, only that she wear a nice white dress... which she did.
If you are respectful to ladies, you will be surprised at all that they will do.... if you are not... well, let's just say, both the ladies and fellow hobbiests will sort of leap out at cha! ALL of the ladies I know and in this hobby, lead VERY RICH and VERY FULL lives outside of this... they do not need us to make them fell wanted, or desired. I'm over myself, I suggest you get over yourself as well.
In my own business, on my very first meets, I NEVER give away anything. Now, if we are in contract negotiations (three or four meetings down the road) I may provide them with data or information that I might have access to which they do not. So... this Biz is not different in that respect....
If you indeed live in the "buckeye" state... then you may be within driving distance to Indy, or Cinncinatti... or Columbus... or Pittsburgh... all cities with an active community.... Geese!
I think making two seperate one hour appointments on a single day wouldn't bother most gals. I would certainly prefer that arrangement rather than a single lengthy appointment that didn't end with full satisfaction.
For me, personally, I wouldn't respond well to the dinner suggestion. I can't eat and then fool around without feeling icky. It would wreck my day. It has nothing to do with the potential financial loss, which may or may not be real at any given moment. (that is to say, if you have no one scheduled for that "dinner hour" you didn't actually lose any money, you only lost potential money and time)
I recently traveled to Las Vegas and Atlanta. I did eat alone and thank god for it because it was the ONLY time I did have to myself. You are assuming you are doing this woman a "favor" by feeding her. I highly doubt that. Ask yourself these questions first.
Would she date me in a civilian world?
Would she return my call if I wasn't paying her?
Is she comfortable being seen with me in public?
Or better yet ask her those questions. I have very rarely met a man that I would date if I saw him in the civilian world. Very rarely return someone's call if they weren't paying me. Sure I'd be seen in public with the majority of my clients but damn, that's because THEY ARE PAYING ME!
That's the whole idea don't you think. If you truly want someone who will fuck you, go out to eat with you, then fuck you again...
GET A GIRLFRIEND!
Why, if it is so great to eat alone and get away from all your "YUCKY" clients that you wouldn't talk to or date in civvie life, is it that I keep hearing from traveling providers how much it sucks to eat alone and they feel isolated - and they've taken me up on meal offers and suggested it themselves. I just haven't done the on-off-on before despite it being offered by one. Wow, some complain about how lonely everyone is, in and out of the profession, and then you folks all jump on the audacity that a dinner offer is some huge insult/offense unless it is always on the clock. Because no client is worthy of it otherwise. Glad all providers aren't that callase/jaded. I know that some draw the line on friendships or what they'll do with clients outside the appt, but I don't see why it is an offensive idea.
JMHO
I don't see anything wrong with her response. Don't the ladies deserve down time to??? No offense or anything like that, but please remember, that this is a business first and foremost. If I never made money out the venture, I would never had stayed longer than I did. I made enough to retire from it, and then moved back on into the civilian lifestyle. I don't see why a lady is obligated to spend off time with any gent, if that is not her mindset. It doesn't mean that she didn't have a good time with you (whoever), but maybe she needs her space/privacy for a bit, to regroup.
Also, there is nothing wrong with an email here and there afterwards, but nor would I want some guy pestering me with a series of emails telling me about his day, etc. Please remember that providers do have families, etc., just like the rest of you gents.
You are altering what you originally stated. No one said it was a bad idea to offer someone lunch or dinner. We just merely commented that it should not be assumed that just because you're offering us a free meal that we want to take it further. Like many have said (and we didn't say icky clients) that they want time alone. Most traveling providers are exhausted from three to five appointments in a day. We want time alone to take off our makeup, pig out, whatever. That doesn't mean there aren't any women who won't go to dinner with you. You can ask but don't expect. That's all we're saying. Geez! Would you ask a doctor for some off-the-clock advice because he/she loves the job? How many times do you have to put words into our mouths that aren't there. Reread your original post. I'm done with this. Urgh! 
Hugs,
ciara
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The only time you had alone to yourself was when you were eating?
You are too busy for someone like me then, if every waking hour was spent with clients.
"I have very rarely met a man that I would date if I saw him in the civilian world."
It is not about dating, it is about friendship. There is a difference. I am sure that very few of the women I have seen would "date" me, but damn sure that more than a few would want me to help them around with things, ask me for advice, or just to chat sometimes.
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No the only time I had alone was NOT when I was eating, but meal times are times to reflect and I enjoy eating alone.
While on tour, yes, most likely I would be too busy, I was too busy to even have a drink or meal with some providers I made contact with.
At home however that's different. I have a much more leisurely schedule and have a ton of down time. But this hobby is NOT about "making a friend" it's about sex and in the process if you happen to make a friend then that just happens to be a good bonus. I would not call the majority of the men I see me friends. It's not that kind of a relationship. They don't fuck their friends they play golf with them.
If I want to chat with someone I'll call my best friend in California or my mom back home. Why would I want to call a client, or a hobbyist to chat? Isn't that what you pay us to do, leave?
It's all about discretion I guess. I don't know a single client of mine who would seriously welcome a call out of the blue to talk. Maybe it's just me then and I haven't been in the business long enough to make those types of friendships.
But Kudos to you for having women in your life who would call you in that manner, you must be very special.
Alyssa
So from what you say, the men that who pay you that you see are merely walking wallets with dicks, and nothing more. To me the friendship of another person is just as important as the actual sex act. If I thought of a woman as someone who was only having sex with me because I paid her, and otherwise would not even be interested in talking with me is someone who I would not want to see again at all. That is truely a mechanical experience.
As to an "out of the blue phone call", that is not what I am talking about, but an email a month later to chat about something I knew she might be interested in is truely accepted, and opposed to referred to as a "bother", and something that talks away from her time.
There is one woman that I saw in Florida a few months ago with whom I connected with on a very personal level. We chatted via email for at least two weeks after about many things, and I learned alot about her, and she learned alot about me.
Saturday night I am actually driving down from the Boston area to NYC to see a woman I have not seen in a long time. I am going to spend the night with her, with a little bit of nookie going on, but she is only charging me for a single hour of her time because she is interested in seeing me again too. She is someone who I have helped through many situations in her life, and she regards me as a friend. We will probably have dinner, and breakfast together before I drive back home.
Okay that's a good one I have to admit. No they are not all walking wallets with dicks. My repeat clients and the ones I see are Lovers. That's how I view them. But they are not friends.
To me there is a huge difference in a friend and a lover. A friend is someone I can share my entire life with, my entire bundle of self with. I have NO clients at all who I consider friends. They are Lovers. They are people I connect with on an intimate and sexual level. After hopefully, an intellectual level. I would not share my deepest fears or hopes and dreams or life story with these people. Mainly because that puts me at risk to develop feelings for someone I have NO wish to entertain. Your misconception is that you feel as if a woman you sleep with can be your friend while I feel as if a man I sleep with can never hold that place in my life either within my profession or outside of it. Men in this capacity of my life are lovers, they are neither walking wallets and if I ever made one feel that way it's news to me, but the truth is that NO I do not consider them to be friends.
I am particular about who I share my "entire" life with and my friends are special and dear to me.
Just as are my lovers. You misunderstand the concept in how I live but that is neither here nor there. I get calls from some of my clients and yes we do talk. I have many who I spend extra time with and a few who yes I would go on a date with. Does it mean that it will happen? Probably not because I have to have a line there for self preservation.
Allowing someone who I have an intimate relationship with to become more than that is not something I am interested in.
...I just had a visual image of a wallet with a hard dick...
gotta get that one out of my head real fast..
Think......
boobs....
That's better....
Anyway, I understand your need to keep seperate your "work" life from your "non-work" life, and I fully understand that completely. That is something you have every right to do, and I will not fault you for that at all.
I guess I need women who I can develop a friendship much more than a sex partner. I am able to talk with most everybody, and many people who know me consider me a personable friendly person (sometimes to a fault).
Look, I am not trying to attack anybody here, just stating my opinion..
She asked why would she want to call a client when she has some free time? She'd rather call her best friend or mother. There's nothing wrong with that. There have been times I've talked to my clients/friends on the phone. That's okay, but really I am very busy and get annoyed when men (who think they are the only one who see me) call me five times a week to chat. It states "not to" on my website. Again, we have a life. Do we call you at odd times to chat? What if your family was there when your provider called? It's very uncomfortable for me when a gentleman calls and I politely tell him I'm with friends and could he email me or could I call him later? The majority of the time -- believe it or not -- he continues to talk. H E L L O! I'm out to dinner with friends. They don't know what I do on the side. BINGO!
So if this lady who posted above wants to do that with her free time, why do you say, "From what you say, the men that {sic} who pay you that you see are merely walking wallets." That's down-right mean, luv_women. You are in no position to judge, especially if you're married. Please apologize to her.
Hugs,
Ciara
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I would truly feel sad if none of my escort friends truly thought that I was totally unworthy of a civie date... granted, I do not think that the majority would think that... nor do I think that a select few would think that, but some might...
One night, I was with a provider for what was supposed to be a 1 hour session. Throughout the session, she kept saying that she was hungry... and this is a very beautiful lady - with a killer body... at the end of the session.... she looked at me and again said - man am I hungry, and I hear that this place... and that place has great food.... etc..... Well, I said, gee- would you like to get a bite to eat....
I never in my life saw a woman get dressed that fast... and she looked stunning.... so we walked over to a restaurant of her choosing... and as it was springtime, we ate outside.... with a lot of guys walking by and staring at her... and me! what's an old dude doing with the hot young chick!? was she embarassed? we did talk of that. this lady (and she is a lady) was confident enough that she was not concerned withwhat others thought.... and I guess I was good enough for her...
One of my worst experiences was with a gal who during the entire session acted like it was a favor to be with me... at all let alone sex. after a while, she said, "hurry up and cum, I've places to go - and people to see... in short- I have plans with my friends." So I came. After, I asked if it was ok to shower... and she said OK. As I was coming out of the shower, she was on the phone, and it seemed that her "places to go and people to see" were standing her up... as I felt bad for her, I asked if she would like to have dinner.... her response "I would not be seen with the likes of you, after all, you're just looking for sex." Needless to say, that was a downer.... so I guess there are those that I am not good enough for...
Which brings me to a thought, most of the women I have met in this hobby have a very open mind... but there is a minority - who don't. What I wonder, how is it to have such an open mind about sharing such an intimate act as sex, but not be open to the emotional side of a relationship.... it does make me wonder just how stuff gets compartmentalized.
I prefer to eat alone when I have been entertaining . It is good to have some alone time and relax and compose ourselves .
-Layla
Many of us wish we were rich.
You were fortunate to find a provider who offered you a very good deal. Let me suggest two possibilities:
ONE: She obviously enjoys your company. See her often, treat her well--I don't just mean $$$--and she may well do this agian with you. Just don't EXPECT it.
TWO: Book two different providers spaced as far apart as you want. AFTER the first session, you can offer dinner and MAYBE she will accept. Again don't expect it.
I know the second plan won't feel like a nice long date but the same is true when I saw one of my ATFs last week and I wished I could afford for her to stay all night. Most of us have desires bigger than our wallet allows.
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because I snore... and I am not talking the cute funny whistle and snort type, I am talking window rattleing walls vibrating - louder than a 747 takeoff... loud.... I fear that ladies would ask for hardship pay!
I have seen a number of providers who offer a three hour dinner date for roughly two times their hourly rate. Appetizer in the hotel room, dinner out and then dessert back in the hotel room.
I have taken this option a few times, on the assumption that if a provider is pricing it favorably, she enjoys that kind of date. Check provider websites.
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Kev: It doesn't work that way. You determine how to use the time you've reserved. It's on the clock whether you're taking a shower, in bed, or looking out the window.
The best thing I could suggest is to book two sesssions a couple of hours apart with the same lady, but that seems odd even to me. And, of course, you still have the "setup" and "takedown" time in each session.
d_d
I must say though that I am not so sure I go along with the "time reserved" thought. I don't think of it as buying time ONLY, or it being that simplistic. And if it were then what about all the times the provider is 5,10,30 minutes late and "holding you up"? If it is all about time then why so little regard for it from their end? Should they be charged for time you waste waiting or being stood up?
That's the part I'm a bit confused by as it is looked on as a profession when that is convenient and a hobby otherwise, literally. A real guilding the lilly that is! It's the "its all about the $, except when that is inconvenient in any way for me" thing. Shouldn't it be a two way street?
JMHO
This has happened to me and many others with very well reviewed ladies! Maybe it doesn't apply to you but that doesn't mean your fellow providers who are well reviewed don't!
Get a girlfriend....
These women get charge for their time. If you have found a lady that will do what you are asking here then I would say treat her well and stick with her because she is definitely the exception not the rule. What I don't understand is why you would be the least bit surprised that most people on this board, especially the gals, think that you are asking a bit too much. The whole "customer service" angle you are trying to promote here is interesting but I think you have failed to recognize that, at least when it comes to top-shelf, well reviewed ladies, it is pretty much a sellers market in this hobby.
Is it justifiable to excuse flake-outs/rip-offs/etc. by "its a sellers market" too? I just think customer service goes beyond $ signs. maybe many hate their job and do it strictly for $, that would rot my guts out, personally. As for the gf comment, that snide/condescending stuff help u feel big or something?
I know its mostly pissin in the wind, but some of the "rules" set up in this hobby just don't strike me as equitable or reasonable. Hey, I don't get the no refunds, pay before services rendered thing either ( when u get ripped off these things don't salve the sting ) and I like it when providers aren't so fixated on the envelope. Doesn't mean I'm not generous when the service merits it or don't tip or bring flowers/candy/gifts etc. and respect providers more than most who "pose" on here as some white knights. I enjoy when a provider, and a number have done this, says they want me to stay extra "off the clock" and on them etc. when I'm their last or only appt - to show they appreciated my gifts and considerations and friendliness and generosity - past and present.
You'd read me wrong if u think because of my questions I'm not pretty generous in most respects. I just question the "every second is $" mentality some have and "gimme gimme gimme" stuff. That strikes me as "wham bam" attitude and shows stripper mentality of fleecing the marks.
JMHO
and on several of your replies you take off the head of a poster who is more experienced or is coming from a place you can't - that is the escort side. Were I you, I would examine Why I hobby. In my case I am pretty clear in my head, but clearly express it poorly to the ladies....
"Pose" as white knights? you talking about me? I am not a white knight... far from it, my motive is that I do not like the first 30 min of my session to be taken over by a rant against the cheap bastard who just left. So get off it dude.
I've looked at your reviews... I would say that in general, you seem to not enjoy the hobby. You look for perfection, and with the exception of Melissa, seem overly critical. I will tell you that having been with women in this hobby since approximately 1985 or so, it is very much a unique product with each lady. I never expect to find perfection, but rather a good time.... and I am often surprised by the session - in a very positive way.
Again, read what has been written in this thread - it is a good one... and for that I thank you for raising the topic of price vs. service in a novel way... but rest assured, the basic question is what do you get for the $$! no more, no less.
Help, BS. Pay or shut up is what most have said and I don't see that as helpful. Self preserving for the providers, sure. As for assumptions etc. based on reviews that is absurd. Most of my favs ask that they not be reviewed here or elsewhere. So that will skew my ratings down because few highly regarded providers have allowed it. Also, I see little point in being on the 15th page and the 100th 8/8 seems superfluous to me. So I tend to review the less reviewed ladies, and not as good ones, primarily as well. Not that it is any indication of anything. I'd challenge u to find a non-rip off who could say I was ever anything but generous and kind and a gentleman. Seeking perfection is laughable. I am honest to a fault tho and don't try to use ratings/reviews to bolster providers egos - they are for other hobbyists primarily, IMO.
But your comment "few highly regarded providers have allowed it [review]" One of the things that most providers use TER for is advertisement. Current and up to date reviews help in that function.
Please get real. You may be correct in that you received some consideration from one lady, to expect all ladies to extend that courtesy would not be fair. Some ladies have extended courtesies to me on occasion, I do not expect it every time, and I do not expect if from every lady. AND while I may right a review of the lady on TER, I keep the review factual, and anything that happens off the clock, stays off the clock. You've kinda violated some unwritten rules... and as I have suggested, this is a great thread. read through it, no one on here means you harm... just a way to improve your outlook and enjoyment.
Maybe it is different in your area, but the best in mine do not want the high profile here and don't need the advertisement here.
A provider offered a deal not totally dissimilar to other provider's dinner deals - but a tad better. Others have gone to dinner with me off the clock. I've not said who or mentioned any off clock activity in any reviews. So how could that be violating unwritten rules? No one is to talk about friendly behavior or networking activities within this hobby? Who made u the rule master? that's BS!
All the snide remarks about getting a gf instead and being too cheap etc. were helpful? RIGHT!
I didn't say I expected such deals from every provider, just that I see no harm in them and wish more IN MY AREA would consider it.
A woman who enjoys your company, and with whom you have a good relationship will often be more than willing to go to dinner, and other off-the-clock activities just because she wants to "hang out" with a good friend. I have helped women with computer problems off my clock also, and not expected renumeration either.
Some of the responses from some of the people in this thread reek of a "business only" mentality, and while I would expect this on the first few dates, I would guess that socializing off the clock is much more common than some want to think.
To me it is part of the "customer service" mentality that is missing among some women in this business, and exactly why I dislike seeing High Dollar Hotties for example. Most of them have no interest in seeing you if the Benjamins are not flowing freely. OTOH many of the "real" women I have seen have offered me discounts for longer periods of time, and with many dinners, etc. have been a wonderful off-the-clock activity.
But of course that is just my opinion, and nothing more.
When I want dinner, I generally DO like to dine ALONE lol Sorry, but I do consider that my DOWNTIME (yes, a woman does need that). ALSO` yup, when I had provided, I gave my very best to all those who seen me. Infact, I had over 10 pages of reviews that were 9's and some 10's and only two 8's. But never ever take my kindness for granted, for just like an old boyfriend, I will get sick of ya fast.
In other words, you pays by the hour, my friend. Just like with any other service that is NON-Escorting.
Funny how when calling it a business it is convenient for one thing but then not for others. Not all services are by the hour! Many clients and service providers lunch or dinner or golf or whatever together "off the clock" in many other contexts and businesses. Such "customer service" things are not seen as some kind of offense/insult to their time.
they're bosses didn't offer them lunch, golf or dinner.
Hugs,
Ciara
And I understand the need to "get away" completely. We all need alone time, and I would never fault a person who wants to be alone.
But to me seeing a woman who may be drop dead gorgeous on the outside and is having sex with me, but seriously would never be seen with me even as a friend, is not someone who is interesting to me.
To me, my perfect women are the ones who I keep up with, and truely want to see me (sometimes just to say "hi"), or to catch up on things that have happened in our lives. I guess the difference is that I look at the women who I visit as women who have lives, instead of sex objects. Those women who wish to have you believe that they are only sex objects, and nothing more do not interest me.
I happen to like to talk with people about a myriad of subjects, and I find that people who like to discuss things with me are much more interesting to me, than someone who is a "great lay"
Basically, I like to be "mind fucked" rather than just regular "fucked"
I fully understand that some providers draw the line and don't want any contact or activity off the clock. But it is a little ironic that some who claim that I then find out from friends that they see clients socially etc. and have indeed become friends with clients over time. I guess some rules are meant to be broken.
JMHO
and my attitude... as many have listed above... what the lady offers, is what is on the table. No more and certainly no less. Even a car dealer will give one customer a better deal than another.
Your analogy is right on! I wish that all the gents would see it that way..unfortunately, some refuse to open their eyes a bit wider.
Any way in which a person derives income can be referred to as their "business" but that doesn't mean that you can apply any other business's standards to this hobby. Ultimately you ARE the consumer and you can apply whatever criteria you like when choosing who you see. My experience is that, once you become a regular with a gal (at least with indy ladies) you may often enjoy off-the clock-activities together but it's not likely to happen on a first meeting.
If you are finding ladies who meet your criteria more power to you. My hunch is that you will find that most women who are involved in this very unique business will not be inclined to agree with your thought process. Good luck to you.
involve human interaction at one point or another - even the internet and computer industry. To not think that human interaction comes into play is seriously flawed. I've enough experience to know that. I use to think that in major corporations you needed one person above you looking to your best interests, as I got older - and more experienced, I've uped that number to 3-5 depending on the size of the org.
Even in a retail store, I have seen sales people loose business because they could not adequately interact on a personal level with folks! And I have also watched customers act unreasonable - and asked to leave the store (or place of business)... Certainly this business is absolutely no different. Exceptional expectations of service, as the original poster is requesting on a FIRST visit are the issue... and he is either asking for a reduction in price... or some mythical encounter that is custom tailored to his needs. In either case, it boils down to a reduction in price... which is what I find offensive to his posts...
in short, his claim is that this has never been discussed before... and my counter is, it has been addressed so many times, I've lost count in just the 4 years or so that I have used TER.
Unique business model? sheese, this "business" is as old as mankind... and ALL other businesses copy it.
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"as the original poster is requesting on a FIRST visit are the issue..."
When did I ever mention this applied to a first visit? Either exclusively or inclusively? I didn't! I did mention this IDEA was proposed TO ME by a provider. If it is so offensive and cheap then why did she bring it up? She mentioned not liking to eat alone and that it would be fun to do.
"or some mythical encounter that is custom tailored to his needs. In either case, it boils down to a reduction in price... which is what I find offensive to his posts..."
Desiring a more economically balanced session tailored to my needs/preferences is offensive? I've always said this should be agreed to up front. What is offensive is upsell after agreed to pricing. That is OFTEN DONE by many providers. I don't see you railing on against that. I admit I think the "every second is on the clock" mentality to CS is excessive. That you disagree is fine, but why would a customer find it offensive that other customers would be in favor of discounts during what they feel is not service time? Seems that such a model would be in all customers interests. This "white knight" stuff is thinly veiled suck-up!
I can easily agree to disagree on whether a lunch or dinner should or shouldn't be "on the clock", those who feel it is part of the package and one of the things clients pay for have a legitimate stance. I am challenging that status quo, since I see such things as customer service ammenities in other fields and don't agree that it has to be on the clock in this field. I don't know why that offends you or others but so be it!
I just don't happen to agree with the "you are paying for my time ONLY" model so many espouse. That is fine as cover against LE issues/laws, it is not acceptable in terms of real world service expectations in this field though. Sure that model is in the providers best interest to follow and indoctrinate - doesn't mean it is correct or should be accepted without any question or debate. If that was all that service required then the rip-off gals are doing their job just by being in the room with you for an hour - which is complete and utter BS!
"in short, his claim is that this has never been discussed before..."
When did I ever post/say that? You just make up a bunch of chit don't you? Others posted that some providers build such a "discount" arrangement into dinner date prices. I didn't say it was NEW, I just said it would fit my particular predilections better and I like the idea. You keep saying this was a veiled attack on all prices of the hobby in general, that was not the case. Good providers are worth every penny. I just don't see any harm in this idea or in challenging the status quo that is so lopsided in one direction in many aspects of the hobby.
Yes, it IS the worlds oldest profession. It has survived and thrived for centuries without changing a whole lot. You wanna play, you gotta pay.
What the lady offers is on the table is exactly contradictory to a car dealer giving better deals to some than others. Saturn's sticker-only approach would be an example of the "offer on the table". Your comparison makes zero sense.
Me thinks you read something making you think I'm advocating bartering down prices or that I am offering this deal to providers. I NEVER SAID THAT. I said I wish more would offer it to me and as SOP. I don't go around trying to low ball anyone. My desire is that more see this as a reasonable mutually beneficial idea and offer it.
You make up an awful lot!
Buck, I hope you at least got laid??? Chin up. You will eventually find that one lady, who might even let you see her for free! woo hoo ..(smile!)
be glad you found someone who likes you enough to do this or perhaps she had some free time. So go with it, and stop bitching about the rest of us.
Hugs,
Ciara
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