(Please note: this post is made by LJ Montana NOT me, MissLogan.  Lass explains in her post.)

Who needs the TBD ("The Bored Dick")... when we have TER... dont most of us know how one gets to the HEAD of rankings at TBD. Suck, Suck,and more Suck.

Lets keep this board honest. We need one honest one.

From one who hates hypocrisy...and fat chicks.

LJ Montana

PS Is it true that latest TBD rankings are weight based? The race to weigh the most and get to top of rankings is on... with some!


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Reo not read... if you hate hypocrisy

Woops...Did not mean for this to be on Logan's cookies...Speaking of cookies...no...lets not go there.

Anyway, sorry about that...

LJ Montana

Reo not read... if you hate hypocrisy

Well,

I guess LJ's machine was messed up again. As the post is from the wrong account.

But, I have to voice up an opinion also. I've seen many ladies highly ranked who are listed as being in fine shape but are actually a little heavy or even over weight. I have no problem with that but when the reviews are misleading how can I make an informed and accurate opinion on who I will see. One of my main tools are accurate pictures.

I've seen many ladies here in Vegas and there are some really good ladies and there are some that are not. I know I'll get in trouble for this post but I've been holding it in for a while and I just had to let it out here. I could not on the "other" board.

I just talked to Logan in Florida...she is entertaing her client and scuba diving, so she hasn't had time to read this. She said that LJ uses her user name and password to check her reviews. No biggie, but she was a bit shocked LJ would make a post under that account name.


Now for LJ....I have stayed out of every public dispute on the boards you have had. I hear all the time how lovely and wonderful and what a superb GFE you are. I met you at the TBD Christmas party and we shared a few laughs. But you know what.....the fat comments just need to stop. Some guys like fat chicks, some guys like women with meat on their bones...some guys like a woman who doesn't roll around with them like a WWF Wrestler. Now come on...if you have a personal dispute with one of the ladies in town so be it. I have always been very respectful of you and your comments, but getting slammed in a round about way by you is really getting OLD.


If the dispute between you and this provider keeps on maybe you should get a mediator and handle it privately instead of hurting everyone elses feelings.   I would like to belive all those glowing reviews of yours and think its more about you than the service, but you have yet to show that on any of the boards. Give us all a break from this please.

You know what,

I'm one of those fat chicks and I bet I could out sex you any day of the week.

"Learn to like yourself before you hate others".

Tammy

I hate breast implants and love large natural women, so I guess that puts me on Celtic Lass's team.  Sorry LJ, no call to slam women who are at peace with their own bodies.  Best sex I have ever had has been with large women. Don't go out looking for them, but never regretted once the deed was done.

Hint:  was not LJ.

lw

If the TBD Rankings were based on weight...you bet your sweet ass I would be in the TOP 5, but even with my reviews here, on TBD, The Fox Files and various other sites....all good to great, yet I have never even been considered for any of the TBD rankings. I don't think much about it. It is all specualtion and one mans opinion.


LJ? You said you were sorry about posting on Logans account, which was nice. But Don't any of us who have never been disrespectful of you and laughed and shared a drink and a bit of conversation with you deserve an apology.....or is it because we are Fat Chicks we don't even count. The level of non maturity never ceases to amaze me in these matters, I wish everyone would just sit back and enjoy this business and quit being so damn mean.

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Three Cheers!!! You go girl!!! And I am one of the slender ones, I hate the word fat as much as I hate the word skinny. Can't everyone just relax and enjoy the positive qualities of others, whether they be overweight or slender? (I have a problem saying cock or pussy too, lol!!!!Too much Catholic stuff rubbed off on me!!!) DANA

I don't have huge breasts, not too small, but at least they are all mine!!!! LMAO!!! DANA

Our beauty and brains out weigh the best of them! A smart man's mother used to tell him "If you can't say something nice about someone, THINK of something nice to say". Jealousy is a nasty, nasty thing.

FYI -- Vogue this month has an entire section featuring models of all sizes working together. Now if they can get past the size issue, can't we? There is room for all of us so not to worry!

Rose

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LJ, I would like to think that your comments are restricted to one individual-after all your friend Logan is not exactly anorexic.

CL, you made a very forceful argument. LJ is experienced enough to know that it's not all about how the girl looks, it's what the guys are looking for. Remember last week's survey question anyone*? That being said, I'd think there's plenty of room in this town for both a BBW redhead and a Bionic Woman clone. In the spirit of your post, let me add the following:

1) Because of the poor reputation of escort services in LV, Pahrump, and (gasp!) Crystal/Beatty in general, and the ridiculous amount of heat CCSD and Metro put on the LEGITIMATE ladies, I generally am chary of seeing escorts there. The market is geared towards tourists, and not local men (although that seems to be changing somewhat), prices are more expensive than LA, with less selection, the ripoff factor is high, and there's no way I'm going to direct some transient who likely has a convicted felon for a boyfriend, to my humble NW Vegas abode (which coincidentally is very close to Ms. Montana's), or for that matter, anyone, unless I know them very, very well.

2) You have beefs, I have them too. But ladies, I think you need each other more than you might think. Vegas can be a cold and lonely place, but it is what it is, and there are a lot of guys who are local and do well who are in the same spot I'm in. We're tired of the b.s. in dealing with the ripoff agencies and poor attitudes of the local girls (again, thanks to ladies like CL and LJ, this is changing) where it hurts YOUR business in the long run. I'm no high rolling sucker tourist in need of his Las Vegas Experience, but I'm in LV 30 weeks of the year (or 29.5 weeks more than the average tourist) and by most accounts I'm a decent client. Would you prefer I recruit my talent out of OG and Spearmint?

The permanent legit honest escort community in LV is a small one. God knows there's enough greenery to go around for all. I realize in any escort/client community there will be dysfunction, but this is not one of those cases.

3) As you know, there has been plenty of discussion about the ratings system and competition. I have posted ad nauseum about this already, but for those unfamiliar with The Compleat Professor Night, girls competing with other girls is vapid and self-demeaning**. It is sad to watch, a lot of these ladies think the only value they have is between their legs, where they are wonderful and beautiful creatures in so many other ways (two of LA's finest come immediately to mind).

Competing with yourself is not only fine, it's desirable. As for competing with others, for example, it is highly unlikely the average man is going to see both CL and LJ. Hooking is not yet an Olympic event. Hookers don't get a lot of endorsement money. Some have modeling contracts, but that's their DAY JOB.

Myself personally, I don't do reviews on public fora-the session is too personal for me and the escort for me to wish to share with strangers. I don't see how posting a review can increase the level of pleasure I recieve during a session, and everyone here can see the mischief it causes. You are all 10s in my book for what you do, the risks you take by doing it, and by doing it well.


* for those just tuning in at home, the Q was would you prefer a 5 looks/10 performance, or vice versa?

** phone conversations with other leading escorts support my position as well.

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Quote stolen from John Lennon--there is room in this Hobby for all types.  Just as there are all types of men who visit with escorts, there are all types of escorts to be visited.  And we're all good.

Nicole, go to bed already!!! Pry yourself away from that keyboard! You can do it!!!!

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Thank you for your post. It was not only eloquent but well thought out. I must say first, I have never had words with LJ nor have had any sort of public dispute with her. Like I said I met LJ at a party in January and did share a few laughs. I have always heard wonderful things about her and have respected her as a provider in Vegas.


But the broad range of her comment "From one who hates hypocrisy...and fat chicks." is what set me off. Maybe I should have let this all go because I dont think her comments were geared towards me. It struck a nerve because I have admired her and thought she was all that everyone has said she is. And although I am very happy with the way I look and who I am...I still carry with me subtle insecurities left over from a lifetime of taunts and insults. But I am getting better about it. *wink*. And LJ and I have seen some of the same clientel. In fact she has been given as a reference once or twice. Some guys like variety in the ladies they see. I think it's wonderful because the experiences are all so different. I don't feel as though I am competeing against anyone. I enjoy it when the guys I see enjoy the company of other ladies. That is what the hobby is about. Variety. It is like what I told the women who helped me get started, and she gave me a list of the guys I was not allowed to see, if the guys in this hobby wanted to see one woman and one woman only, they would either set up an exclusive or stick with their wives or girlfriends.


Forgive me for my outbursts and hurt feelings. So often I expect this from the hobbiests who send the ugly e-mails and post the mean comments but it really hurts when it comes from a provider. Expecially one in the same town I live and work in. I bear no ill will towards LJ. She is still beautiful and has a gorgeous body ect. And I am sure she will continue to get stellar reviews. I have no fight with LJ, I just hope she thinks of those she is hurting before she makes comments like that one again.





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Becacuse were not hung up on our bodies......

Dana.

You are truly a Vancouver Island jewel!

And you busted my chops over being Mr. Sensitive.... You are THE MAN, Prof. Night. But I knew that the day I first ran into you.

Reo not read... if you hate hypocrisy

Lets just say LJ is the nicest, most honest ladies with the best attitude that I have ever might. What a lady. No
more needs to be said.

Reo not read... if you hate hypocrisy

Lost Soul, I disagree... you can post honest reviews anywhere you like, and should. Worst case scenario is what, someone disagrees with you? My reviews are honest, read them. My photos are honest... I just updated them last night for god's sake, and to say that "all fat girls are liars" is just as bad as saying "I hate all fat girls." You are entitled to make choices based on your desires and SHOULD, you definitely shouldn't pay for something you don't want, whether it's too fat, too skinny, or too *whatever* for your tastes. The problem with generalizations is... they are so, darned, general!

Sincerely,
Nicole

Are those traits on display ibn the post that started this thread??

lw

I hope that those of us who don't know her as well as you do, get to see that side of her as well one day.

Sincerely,
Nicole

Sounds to me like some hot buttons got punched....I can offer this third party perspective....I have known LJ for some time now and she does really hate the falsehoods and hyprocrisy that exists with some in this occupation.....misleading/outdated pictures and physical descriptions.....she has to work awfully hard to maintain her physique and she does feel there should be honest advertising....which is why she updates her pics regularly.....she knows that each man has his ideal escort in mind and that some men stick with that one ideal "look" while others enjoy the "variety is the spice of life" game......she just wants to eliminate or greatly reduce the suprise problem which does still occur too often in this hobby........and I appreciate this since I have been suprised/disappointed myself!   Who you think you will greet at your door.....should be who you greet at your door!  Have a good one!

Apparently size does matter - to some!! I've been a hobbiest for close to ten years now and have known many providers in many areas of the country. LJ happens to be one of the best I've had the pleasure to know in the past few years. She also happens to be one of the most upfront providers I have known, which can make her the target of hate at times. We've talked about rankings & discussion boards on some of our dates and numerous e-mails, I have argued that the rankings out there are bogus. It's best that a hobbiest ignore the rankings and just do some serious research before meeting someone new. Believe me, I have been burned badly by "highly ranked" providers who have admitted to me, they have friends help them achieve their rankings by posting "fake" rave reviews and have provided "special services" to moderators so negative posts about them never reach public view(at other web-sites, not TER).

Everyone has their own preferences out there, whether it be color, weight, size, silicon/natural, yada yada yada. But I think we all can agree we want an honest date. CL doesn't hide anything at her web site, neither does LJ. LJ apologized for her using Logan's account, now let's all kiss and make up. Or else go to your neutral corners and come out swinging at the sound of the bell.....

1) Can't Ms. Montana speak for herself? Moreover,  her term was "hypocrisy". You are defining fraud. There was nothing in her original post which hinted at fraud, although we both know a lot of that takes place in this business.

2) Without a doubt, she is a great and well liked escort. So, why the rant, and who was it directed to? Enquiring minds and all that. I know about the exercise part. If you call her, she'll tell you exactly what she did that day (usually a 6 mi run, which in my part of LV can be a hilly one).

That's all good. She can maintain all her O.C.D.'s and you guys can enjoy her all you want. If she enjoys "maintaining" the specifc look of her body and site that is wonderful. But she doesn't need to complain about the size of other providers if it has no effect on her business.

But this is how I feel about the subject:

It drives me nutz to see providers in the business who have no reason to be here. As an escort, I myself always thought that the fantasies that clients have are to be with to be with an exciting, beautiful woman that they might never had made it to first base with in the real world. If a larger beauty is your taste or a smaller lady that I would consider normal. But I never dreamed that you guys would enjoy an ugly woman. I guess I need to think like an average man to understand it.

There is a provider here that I have had discussions with other providers about. This girl is awfully homely! Not preety at all, but she think's she is. False perception of herself completely yet she seems to work. Not what I would title as an ESCORT at all, just an ugly woman taking advantage of this line of work. So you see, that blew my theroy above to to heck.

This is a private line of income so we all have the opportunity and if some of us don't like it, it's to bad.

Words can and do hurt!!!!Being up front is one thing, honesty is also a valuable trait, but what the hell does one achieve when one slams the physical traits of another? We are not talking about fake reviews or who knows who, we are talking about people who use insulting remarks for absolutely no reason other than to hurt others!!!! Dana

To call someone ugly...

Jeez...

There has been ugliness in this thread, seems that its been by those whose beauty is very superficial.

lw

Nicole I agree with you... the problem with determining that we should all be "The Fantasy Girl" is that the fantasies of the men we cater to differ so huuuuuugely!  One man's biggest fantasy is anothers nightmare... and there's no need for us to judge each other that way. There's room here for all of us, jump on in!

BTW Nicole I just checked out your site for the first time.
You are soooooooooooooo hot. Yum! I think you're *my* fantasy. LOL!

Hugs*
Nicole

This EXACTLY my experience in life...having dated both the head cheerleeder (I played football in High School and College) and a beauty pagent queen (No, not that pagent...the other one) I learned in my youth that looks are WAY overrated. If you find a woman attractive (and every man has to decide what "attractive" is for himself) then that should be enough. Those 3 additonal point on the 1- 10 scale (up grading up from a "7" to a "10") in my experience are NEVER worth it....both in girlfriends AND providers. Drop dead gorgoeous women are both insecure AND high maintainence...and not worth the hassle.