That sounds like more drama then a soap opera. The baggage that some providers bring with them is mind boggling. They want loans, they need money for this money for that, continually late, talking too much, etc etc.
Personally, I would rather fuck a provider once or twice and move on to the next one, less the baggage.
Some guys haven't had hundreds of civvie GFs like our experience.
Some guys didn't date girls in high school
Some guys didn't get their first fuck until after college.
Some guys were virgins before they met their first provider.. No shit.
Some guys are easily infatuated
dudes here that lost their virginity to a hooker? That is as bad as not getting getting laid until after college. Damn shame.
Me thinks you just called generations of men loosers.
I think you are a loser for even thinking some shit like that!!
I have met with quite a few virgins over the yrs and none of them were losers.
I was going to extremely mean but changed my mind.
Yep you HIROGEN are the Biggest Loser!
But you Sir can apparently call large percentage of local geriatric contingent loosers and get away with it.
Care to share your secret?
I was fortunately "deflowered" by the ex GF of a buddy's older brother a year before I ever did P4P. She was pissed off at him and took it out on him by fucking me, Damn I love to be used. lol
FWIW I was fourteen, she was an old broad, I think she was sixteen or seventeen at the time. I immediately fell in love, and she ran off with a coke dealer, kind of hard to compete with a coke dealer when you are at the ripe old age of fourteen. lmao
Geographically different, of course...!
The lady that wanted to deflower me was 14, me 11. Lived next door, and that was the first time I saw real live boobies!
And then of course, the drugs and the alcohol kicked in. Many experiences went on, and here I am!
Don't you feel so fortunate! lol!!!
You were 'deflowered' at 14 and began p4p at 15!? Talk about being WAY ahead of the curve!
PS...My 'ATF' broke me into p4p properly at the ripe old age of 45. LOL
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She's mine because she's hot, discrete, readily available, and no drama. Any drama and she no longer my ATF.
Come on, Matt, that's like eating dinner without using salt and pepper. Gets the job done but the spices are what make it memorable.
Drama is good, so long as it does not get out of hand or require you to pay more.
Think how boring TER would be without the drama queens.
I usually eat out for dinner and find no more spices need be added. I do have some on my eggs in the morning. But, just as I have a sensitive palette and can enjoy the subtle flavors in foods with little or no spices, I have no use for drama in any aspect of my life.
Honestly, you have to understand that for every person that comes along, there is a different thing that motivates them.
Some people loooooove drama!!!
Some guys love to be the Knight in Shining armor to their poor provider. That's what gets them off.
Some guys like to be overpowered and have their money taken from them in shady hotel rooms by leather boot wearing chubby girls who are willing to wear dog collars for a half a minute.
(oh yes.. that's a whole different story)
But honestly, when you have to learn to cater to the tastes and variations of tons of different men with tons of different fetishes, then you learn not to ask, "Why?"
But... "When and Where and How much are you willing to pay?"
Hah!!!
: )
All time favorites in my opinion are like wives and pretty much feels the same as if you were married.
It all starts out innocent and exciting enough but once you reach a certain comfort level the relationship begins to change. If she isn't able to control you it will all go stale and sour real fast.
But if she is able to control you:
Make sure you answer her text messages and take her calls when she is looking for you wondering when she will see you again. Visit her early and often or her mood will change while she wonders if you are seeing/paying someone else.
Its not enough that you bring your envelope with you but you also must bring a token like flowers or candy to show her just how much she means to you. And those gifts will get more and more expensive as time goes by.
Take her out to dinner or a show because she complains that she is tired of sitting around the condo all day and needs to get out more often.
You will wonder, what happened to the days when it was uncomplicated and you would stay in and just fuck for two hours straight ? Then leave.
Spend enough time together and it will all come crashing down eventually.
So I ask you, why be tied down to one woman when there are thousands, hundreds of thousands and more to choose from and yet to experience.
I have had some very nice experiances and would return to at least 2/3 but I also like to try new stuff. When in rhe mood I start calling, first response and head that way. I don't know if I want a regular yet as I am titty dancer damaged. Spent time energy and money till I figured out it cheaper to see a provider. Of course My bartender is not happy but shit after 11 years of following her around I still have not fucked her.
Stop looking if you are, Tampa has many seemingly great providers how could you choose. Thats were most of my fucketlist providers reside, actual every provider I ever met has Florida ties they have to go some where during the eastcoast winters.
much better than the tax refund thread.
It's like having a favorite flavor, no reason just something you like, maybe just a little more than another. I have seen a few sophistacted high end providers, and more than I care to remember low end providers and my ATF falls right in the middel of that spectrum, always made for a realistic experience in my eyes. Luckily the forces of nature have always kept things in perspective befor my better judgement had to step in. This reminds me in my younger young days I had a favorite gal on the street wow guess she was my first ATF never looked at that way.(still no big deal)
Oh don't worry. Just screw up one time and they will dump your ass. Seems like they don't know you if you send them an email that they don't like, even though they have had all good times with you when you met personally.
Sticking with one woman, whether you pay in thousand dollar increments or with jewlery and furniture, but that's my personal view, I don't care for the boredom and dependency that comes with monogamy. I think one thing most valuable to all of us is independence, hos or johns. A pay relationship with monogamy seems the worst of both worlds to me, so I'll pass on the ATF.
But don't think I'm going soft on you Hiro, you're still muff cabbage. Plus I'll say the providers I see don't do any of the things you mention, except being late *sigh* But that's just women. I think you have a very juvenille and masogynistic view of women.
Here all along I thought you were a female, or are you a lesbian paying hookers for sex?
It has nothing to do with being a misogynist. It has to do with a hooker becoming more dependent outside of the play for pay for an hour or two. Maybe I should have said the "begging" tendency of an ATF.
It isn't for everyone. You like variety, go for it.
Some folks find someone they enjoy seeing more regularly--why your incessant need to bash them because they don't share your preferences?
And I'm guessing most the providers you leave behind in your wake are just as happy they didn't become your ATF.
Wonder why, with all those 100s of encounters, you have no reviews?
I've never had a provider made me cum 3X every session, but my ATF does it with ease.
With other providers - 2 cups for 1 hour is max. However, I like variety, because I don't want to get bored with my ATF.
I view ATFs as having that chemistry like no other, but it does not preclude you from tasting others.
I dig my ATFs! Having spent so much time with certain ladies, they knowing what I dig and how I can get them off.
I mean, it isn't all about money when, well, I'd hope you would know....
But in any case, I have ATFs. For more than one reason! 
If you didn't get money from your mommy the only action you would get is with those mutts you sleep with.
Go ahead. Ask me WHY she gives it to me.... 
ATF stands for "all time favorite" and should not be confused with other words with other meanings such as girlfriend, spouse, mistress, etc. It simply means all time favorite. You can see someone once and never again, yet they can be an all-time favorite.
No drama there.
Now, if you are talking about a provider you see more than a time or two, or with whom you communicate outside of the hobby and stuff like that -- well, even though the sex part may be P4P, it is a relationship of sorts; though in each case it can be defined uniquely as many such relationships are devoid of romantic elements thus making them automatically drama free; and even those that have some degree of romantic sentiment involved can be relatively free of drama so long as (mental and emotional rather then merely chronological) adults are involved and neither is using subterfuge on the other.
I have never had a provider hit me up for a loan. I've never met a provider looking for a free lunch. And this has not changed no matter what else has gone on between us. I'm certain this phenomenon exists, but has never happened to me.
Thus, the real issue is NOT whether or not someone has an "ATF" or has some level of non-hobby relationship or even feelings concerning a provider; but rather the character and maturity level of the persons involved.
Basically, people should have some standards other than "she's pretty and she got my rocks off" for determining with whom to form more extensive involvements. A little selectivity goes a long way toward avoiding problems.
My ATF is just that: my all-time favorite fuck; the hottest sex I've ever had and, for me, an almost perfect combination of all the stuff the pushes my buttons. I will happily keep seeing her so long as all that remains true. When it stops, I'm gone.
have never asked for loans or gifts...have always been excellent companions in fact a few have even insisted on picking up the tab at great restaurants. Geesh...when a babe Fs my brains out the buys ME dinner at Mortons...well sure...she's a STP ATF. Don't confuse a great F with an ATF...ATFs might trust you with personal insights to their lives but they do not dump their baggage on ya. Oh...if only could be said of a few hobbyist that think they are sooooo cool. BTW..future ATFs , I actually prefer Ruth Chris or better yet a locally owned joint!
I'm going to watch paint dry on a wall.
What's wrong with having an Any Time Fuck? I pass my P411 info around and then when I'm in the mood, I do my Emeril imitation. BAM! hehe
Any Time Fuck. I like that. Very descriptive.
Thanks for the name parody. I like it.
He travels and if he's going to be in my area, he'll give me a call in plenty of time to make arrangements. I see him about 3-4 times a year and we just can't keep our hands off each other! Great fun for a couple of hours. Then I go home. No drama.
it doesn't speak much for her.
I look at a session as cerebral as it is physical. Therefore its not a place for my personal problems or business. If anything I get more complaints about not sharing things and problems then the other. I always say that my problems shold nt be yours for this time..whether its an hour or a few hours...its about YOU. This is an escape for most hobbyists. They have their own stuff going on.
As someone sees me a lot they feel they WANT to know...I aways try to explain its more of a disservice then anything else.
I think a lot of ladies would probabaly agree.
Most of my favorites move or decide to get a real job before too long. There is one girl who I have seen over the last few years. She isn't a "real favorite" but she is sexy as hell with an ass to die for. As I change I eventually find another favorite, but none would I call a ATF. The newest one however has given the best sessions I have ever had. She keeps it professional and I am sure she gives the same great service to all her clients. She is low volume limited schedule so it is hard to see her as much as I would like. Time will tell how it goes. I am like a puppy, give the right attention and I will keep coming back for more. I have been doing this since 1972 and I have met maybe one I would possibly call the best. I would like to find one as I like the long term aspect more than I did a few years ago. Quality is now more important than quantity.
"The baggage that some providers..."
I can understand if you are someone that digs variety and will see a lady once or twice to hold to that M.O. But to say that repeated visits with a single lady leads to the drama you indicated speaks volumes to the ladies you select.
So yes, if you choose poorly you will get exactly as you describe. However, when I "shop" for my hobbying needs I try not to pick from the crazy shelf. You may want to do the same.
My style of hobbying works for me. Without elucidation, whatever for you works for you...go for it!