I regularly see a provider who seems to be quite popular.  Her phone is always ringing, which is fine.  Means business is good.  However, I have noticed during a number of my visits that some guys will just show up on her doorstep unannounced, looking for service.  If she's dressed, she'll answer the door and send them away.  If she's not dressed, she ignores them and just keeps riding my ...Tell me, ladies, does this happen to you?  Sure seems rude to come over without calling first.  Stupid too.

Yes, I've had that happen. Once a guy came over and wouldn't leave! Just keep banging on the door,made a big mess with the neighbors, what can I do, call the cops???

Geesh.... some guys have no class.... did this lady have a neon "open" sign on in the window?or a revolving door for a front door? *I think not*IMHO she should have not tolerated that behaviour fromher clients, this shows a high degree of disprespect for the lady and other 'hobbyists'on the part of the guy justshowing up.This lady should have nipped this in the bud and refused tosee these/this client(s) again.  Just my two cents.Lustman

Dear Papercup...I had to rewrite this post three times.  At least. I was so vehement at first not understanding why a situation as you described would exist. Let alone endured by someone like yourself.  I have always worked very hard to make my incall extremely safe and sacred for clients. As do other ladies I know. I never had that DEW DROPP INN open door mentality. At any rate, I would have been choking in your situation.  Perhaps the adventure was a redeeming factor?Since you opened the subject, Might I ask, What was the attraction?  You said she was popular. Did she have good reviews? was that your only time with her?  Did you keep going back under the circumstances? Did you review her? Did you feel trapped, embarrassed, ripped off? Trying to understand. I find those conditions upsetting and frankly my clients would deem them substandard.  Now I am certain that someone will hate me for saying that.To the POINT:*When you say her phone rings a lot do you mean she conducts biz on the phone during your session? *Do you feel safe being there with the guys hanging round knocking on the door?  Does she plan to stay doing biz at the apt for any length of time in the near future? Does she realize that neighbors watch shows about neighbors being hookers based on traffic?*Riding you while the knocks on the door, is this perhaps a halfplayedout fantasy of hers in the making?  why doesnt she take clients into elevator and do it between floors?  whew.  too much...my hunch I think maybe she thinks that that is simply NORMAL part of biz.  Hope the fun of being popular balances out the danger of being noticed by neighbors while conducting an illegal biz.had that problem for a while with guys I was dating. not really with clients though.  At least my clients were much more respectful. Interesting.I'd like some answers too.respectfully,ff

Chrissy, your situation can happen to anyone. Happened to me too, and probably most women in l.a. at some point in time.  Neighbors know this can happen to a woman.  but Papercup is talking about an ongoing style.  Hope everything turned out okay for you.  xoxoff

Right on lustman!Obviously I am very peeved!!!Btw, what is the emoticon above for Grrrrrrrrrrr!

Felicia,Very well done and of real interest to the entire community.  As I think the question addresses and your response certainly does address the issues of professional standards.As you bring up, your clients would find the described behaviours in Papercups post to be substandard.  But let me rephrase the issue a bit and to touch on Papercups question and your answer.  Should we as clients accept the phone ringing during the session?  Also should we accept seeing other clients before or after a session?  Of course the easy answer is no.  But there is the ideal and then the real.  The ideal would not have excessive waits in the Doctors waiting room.  The real is that we do and in part as there is no established norm or standard about waiting periods.  On the contrary we would find it unacceptable to have another patient in the room with us as the time of an exam.  We happily accept two hour waits for the hot new restaurant but we would revolt if we waited 30 minutes in line at McDonalds.  Is the fact that she is popular mitigate and therefore change acceptability for phone calls during a session and clients dropping by?  Much as the popularity of the aforementioned restaurant changes our expectation of waiting time.  So what are the standards?  Heck what are the categories?  I understand that the TER may in defacto be setting the framework of norms and standards by having reviews but it is lacking in there is not enough information or discussion around the TER review criteria for example what are the elements of “delivered as promised”.  Does this mean the phone was not ringing or that the provider engaged in whatever activities where discussed before the session?  I am not attempting to advocate a codified professional standard that is something that the client/courtesan relationship will not see in the United States.  But the identification of certain norms surely could be discussed.  As the established norms seem to be clearer for the courtesan/client transaction behaviour for example no discussion of the money or business during a session.  Discrete transfer of payment, unmarked envelope, etc… but there is more an ambiguity about the expected behaviour in the actual session.   For example “clock-watching” should we expect “clock-watching” and then be pleasantly surprise when it does not occur. That apparently is the norm that is in place.  Or should “clock watching” be the exception as the professional standard would not be clock watching.  Just for example weak one I grant but as I am new to the courtesan/client relationship it is one that I can identify from reading reviews.  (Sidenote:  Lawyers are famous clock-watchers and it is accepted.  Maybe not happily but it is expected and accepted)So the open question is to the Ladies what should we accept and expect?  Based of course on what you will provide.  And to the clients?  Why would we accept less or should we expect more?  Is this a situation of “you get what you pay for?”  Or there is no standard so anything is acceptable.  I think not but again please note I speak as a complete and total novice as well as being a bear of very little brain so I very much would appreciate the community’s input and guidance.

I have never had a problem with someone dropping in. Probably cause I have never done incall from my home and never hung around the place unless I was entertaining.  As for my phone ringing off the hook...when I am busy??? Never. I turn that sucker off so it does not disturb us. To me that would be plain rude. I know I'd be pissed. This girl might have let some of her clients drop in before, so they thought it was okay. Most girls I think command a bit more respect than that right from the get go ( ie. must make an appt at least 2 hours or more ahead). I'd be careful when I go to an incall to make sure the person I am seeing is not attracting alot of attention. Apartment buildings are great because people don't really know where you are going ( unless there is a doorman, and he doesn't care as long as he gets his tip every week). But single family homes,condos and townhouses in "upscale neighborhoods" usually have some nosy neighbors around who's brother's son is best friends with the Chief of Police ( you get the picture). Nice neighborhoods may make you feel safer about going for an incall, but they are also the ones most busted.

Im with Felicia on this one. (wish I were with her, with her...) anyway, I think perhaps the lady thinks this is a normal protocol for business and it would be nice if one of the gents who knows better would take a moment to school her. As she is popular and ya all want to keep seeing her, this might be wise!Phone calls, pagers, interuptions of any kind are not tolerated by me. I for one, with a phone ringing whilst riding, would find myself very distracted! I just would not enjoy that ride and I do like to ride! ~wink.Nicole

OMG! This is so angering I am beside myself. What is she having a party? "Oh come on in guys, the more the merrier!!!" I know when I come over to see someone, I would at least call or make sure everything is okay. What is she? The Drive Thru at MickeyD's?? I know, when I come over, I do expect to have the person's full and undivided attention. Not wondering whether some guy is going to come up and bang on the door.The only rational thought I can come up with is that someone is mad at her for some reason and is trying to ruin her business. By doing this, it is not providing a place to relax and enojy one of man's simple pleasures, the company of a good woman! (or complex depending on the way you look at it..)

Jeez!   I had this when I was an import professional too.  I would cut 'em off for sure, possibly beating on them if I was bigger (most of the time)   or just yelling at them later if they were bigger.But guys are like little kids-  they need to be disciplined!Beside, putting up with that crap  makes a mockery of all the majority of guys who porbably show the respect due to their "best Girl"IMHO

That's what disposable cameras (with flash) and pepper spray were invented for! Open the door, smile, take the picture and spray the f**ker!!!!Kick him in the face when he's dosn and scream rape!

Maybe you can go halves with the guy for the hour, kinda like splitting cabfare. Just an idea.Me

Thanks FF,   It was pretty scarey,at about midnight!The guy I was with finally went out and told him he was going to call the police if he didn't split...Man To Man kinda.He was a real freak, wanted to marry me,etc.  He was a referral from a "friend",last one I took from her.                        Chrissie

I agree, I did take a picture of one guy before a dinner date, sort of a romantic gesture, but insurance that I'd come back.

A few weeks ago I went to Vegas to meet someone who had provided a deposit for me and then welched on the remainder of the fee. He was doing the "white powder" and could not get any money for his own personal bets from ATM, let alone for me, so he was all messed up! Anyway, I just remembered that he and I had our pic taken at the resturaunt we ate at and I took his copy and mine when I left. Bet he was sweating bullets thinking I might post his  pic all over the internet!LOL! Never crossed my mind till now and of course would not have done it.Fortunatly it was a rare occurence for me and could have been worse. Now if I liked to gamble I might not have minded quite so much the trip out there, but....Not my thing. Like the shows, resturaunts, shopping.Nicole

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FF,Thank you for your detailed and impassioned response to my post.  You raised some very good points, and asked some good questions too, which I will try to answer (some answers cover more than one question):1) No, I'm not amused when these d**kheads come knocking.  Neither is she, and she sends them packing, telling them she has closed her business.  Like I said, when she's dressed, that is.  Once when I was having dinner with her after a session and once when I was just visiting (I called first, of course).  The other time we were going at it hot and heavy when the knock came, and her partner wasn't there that day to answer the door.  She wasn't expecting anyone so she ignored it.  Whoever it was left, but she commented on it.  Does she tolerate it when I'm not around?  I can't say, but I know she doesn't like it because it's weird behavior (which is scary) and it attracts attention.  I'd like to think she doesn't take them in on a slow day, but I guess I'll never know for sure.2) What is the attraction?  She's gorgeous, great personality, a sexual artiste (who practices safe sex), and who in my opinion charges far below what she could (and should) charge.  That makes her very popular.  She works with another girl, so their place sees a lot of business.  Has she been reviewed?  No, but she has been mentioned on the discussion boards.  I've seen her about once a week since December, so I'd have to say I'm satisfied with her, warts and all, but I would prefer more discretion on her part.  She no longer advertises and only sees repeat customers, but she has plenty of those.  Am I going to say who she is?  No, so nobody please ask me.3) As for the phone ringing, since she works with another girl, they cover for each other when one of them is busy, although she has sometimes taken calls when I was with her.  Yeah, I tolerated it, schmuck that I am, but she apologized and made it up to me with extended time, etc.4) Does she think all this is part of the biz?  Probably.  Is she "professional?"  No.  Just a talented amateur who had a bad teacher.  Before she got her own place, she worked for another lady who ran a bigger operation and she seems to have duplicated much of what she learned there.  I've discussed some of these things with her, but her teacher made a big impression on her and she hasn't changed much.FF and everyone, it's true I have tolerated some unprofessional practices here, which is not good.  These are things that would also have driven me away if not for her redeeming qualities.  I had no idea I was going to stir up quite the hornet's nest that I did with my post about surprise visitors, but I thank you all for your comments.

Well there is always the roller coaster at NYNY, lots of great places to eat and if you really want to shop, the stores at the Venetian were really really nice (Rodeo Drive nice that is).

You guys are too funny! potential makings of a sitcom!

Oh, I shopped! Next time if I find myself with chunks of time on my hands while there I will go to the movies. Dropped about 500 on shopping, had to pay for own meals here and there...Not my idea of the best weekend, soloing in Vegas for a lot of the time. Not the right city for it.Anyway, can you spell "s-u-c-k-e-r" ? Because that was me that weekend!! Turned down a date for the Super Bowl and an NFL alumni black tie dinner in Florida for this idiot all because he had sent the deposit and I had committed to it! Next time will heed all the warning signals I had!Grrrrrrr!!!!BTW, It would have been a lot of roller coaster riding while my "date" slept off the evening of gambling! LOL!

Papercup...well, It sounded like there had to be something redeeming about her Really didn't mean to jump all over you (under these circumstances anyway) if that's how it felt, but now things make more sense.Also the fact that you now mention that she shares the place of biz w/another makes a lot more sense as to why the busyness around the love pad. (Although I still think it's unnerving.)Love what you all said further down the thread about sending the doorknockers out for brewskis.xoxoff

If I knew of a provider or in your case, a client using the white powder stuff, get the hell out of there.  There is no need to expose yourself to addition problems with LE or getting phyically harmed yourself or getting STD that are associated with drugs and drug users.

Thanks Mom.

twice I've had someone knock on my door while I was entertaining, and both times it was to return my doggy to me, and both times the guys were really cool about it.  They didn't freak at all, although I did a little.The first time, it was the dog-walker, bringing my furry beast home from the groomer.  I wasn't expecting him right then, and he has a key to my front door, so he was already in my entryway by the time I came out of the bedroom.  It was the first time I had met the guy I was with, and he never even got out of bed.  For all he knew, it could have been some bad guy coming in, but he is one of those cool-as-a-cucumber-types, and I saw him regularly after that for quite a while, until he took a promotion and a transfer.The second time, my little beastie sneaked out when my client came in the door, and a neighbor was returning her to me.  How embarrassing!  But, again, the guy was unflustered, and I was impressed.  

I agree. No quibbling this one.

Very well done and of real interest to the entire community.  As I think the question addresses and your response certainly does address the issues of professional standards.As you bring up, your clients would find the described behaviours in Papercups post to be substandard.  But let me rephrase the issue a bit and to touch on Papercups question and your answer.  Should we as clients accept the phone ringing during the session?  Also should we accept seeing other clients before or after a session?  Of course the easy answer is no.  But there is the ideal and then the real.  The ideal would not have excessive waits in the Doctors waiting room.  The real is that we do and in part as there is no established norm or standard about waiting periods.  On the contrary we would find it unacceptable to have another patient in the room with us as the time of an exam.  We happily accept two hour waits for the hot new restaurant but we would revolt if we waited 30 minutes in line at McDonalds.  Is the fact that she is popular mitigate and therefore change acceptability for phone calls during a session and clients dropping by?  Much as the popularity of the aforementioned restaurant changes our expectation of waiting time.  So what are the standards?  Heck what are the categories?  I understand that the TER may in defacto be setting the framework of norms and standards by having reviews but it is lacking in there is not enough information or discussion around the TER review criteria for example what are the elements of “delivered as promised”.  Does this mean the phone was not ringing or that the provider engaged in whatever activities where discussed before the session?  I am not attempting to advocate a codified professional standard that is something that the client/courtesan relationship will not see in the United States.  But the identification of certain norms surely could be discussed.  As the established norms seem to be clearer for the courtesan/client transaction behaviour for example no discussion of the money or business during a session.  Discrete transfer of payment, unmarked envelope, etc… but there is more an ambiguity about the expected behaviour in the actual session.   For example “clock-watching” should we expect “clock-watching” and then be pleasantly surprise when it does not occur. That apparently is the norm that is in place.  Or should “clock watching” be the exception as the professional standard would not be clock watching.  Just for example weak one I grant but as I am new to the courtesan/client relationship it is one that I can identify from reading reviews.  (Sidenote:  Lawyers are famous clock-watchers and it is accepted.  Maybe not happily but it is expected and accepted)So the open question is to the Ladies what should we accept and expect?  Based of course on what you will provide.  And to the clients?  Why would we accept less or should we expect more?  Is this a situation of “you get what you pay for?”  Or there is no standard so anything is acceptable.  I think not but again please note I speak as a complete and total novice as well as being a bear of very little brain so I very much would appreciate the community’s input and guidance.