Do you think the recent government plans to alter visa reqirements will
have a negative affect on touring providers from other countries?
It will obviously greatly depend on their country of origin. It is also going to depend on how much the US cracks down on work visas. The work visas allow people to come here for a period of time and work at a legal job, they do not allow providers to come to the US to be sex workers. If you come to the US to do an illegal job you will be deported. We are already seeing this in the midwest with the AMPs and pop up brothels being shut down and the gals deported back to their country of origin.
Human & Labor trafficking is major Worldwide it’s, like drugs they will be hard to eliminate because we as humans continue to support these businesses.
I posted about human trafficking here on TER long ago it’s real and exists everywhere. It’s not just females, young men too! It’s deeper… they re given visas and have to work the costs off sometimes in massage shops and often in high traffic places & they don’t speak English.
I sat next to an officer on the plan to specialized in Labor trafficking it was a very interesting experience hearing him school me for the entire flight. ✈️ He bought me drinks and I inquired about his profession. Similar situation they get a visa and have to work it off it’s not a good. I heard a lots of unscrupulous people, so bottom line is lifestyle criminals will always continue.
The real question isn’t if there will be fewer providers in sex work, it’s to what extent. Several factors contribute to this. First is the legal impact. With heightened enforcement and growing awareness of crackdowns on illegal immigration, it's likely that fewer undocumented workers will attempt to enter the U.S., and some who are already here may choose to leave. The exact number is hard to predict, but it’s certainly more than zero.
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Second is the fear factor. Even individuals who are here legally, such as green card holders or those in the process of changing their current status, may feel increasingly uneasy. That uncertainty may push some out of the lifestyle as well as disincentivizing potential providers from entering this realm altogether. Again, it’s difficult to predict, but I think the chilling effect is real.
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Ten years ago, I might have said this wouldn’t make a real difference, but in the past 4–5 years, with all the many changes to p4p from Covid, Sesta/Fosta, rise of the use of social media, foregoing reviews, etc the pendulum has swung sharply against the gents, and this crackdown is just another brick added to an already stressed load.
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Logic tells us this will likely reduce the available provider pool, and, as a result, we could see upward pressure on rates. I certainly don’t expect prices to drop anytime soon, if ever, as I have seen some here predict for different reasons.
Ditto. Well stated, Robert.
We really have to wait and see how it's enforced. If it's selective, which I am guessing it will be, we will see it quickly contested in court. Selective meaning if it seems to target one demographic or industry far harder than others. Obviously there is going to be the immediate claim that it's only targeting specific workers. But I'm more curious if certain companies or industries will be targeted more.
I'm far from up to date on current plans but I don't think either the visa bond program (only 3 countries and I don't think they make up a large number or traveling escorts) or the H1B 100K fee had much connection to who is come to work here. Something specific you're thinking about in terms of the new policies?
As it says.
Per the googles:
Do Koreans or Japanese citizens need visas for the US:
South Korean citizens or Japanese citizens can enter the United States without a tourist visa for up to 90 days. However, for longer stays or work purposes, they will need to obtain a work visa. The types of work visas available include the EB-1, EB-2, H-1B, L-1, O-1, and E-1 visas. These visas are typically sponsored by an employer and require a significant amount of legal documentation. Additionally, B-1 visas are available for temporary visits for business purposes, such as training U.S. workers.
So the correct answer is yes and no. Time will tell how much the US cracks down on the 90 day limit.
You're correct about the visas (though I would think of the waiver programs less as not visas and more as a visa on arrival situation -- no application needed case) but all those work or long-term visit visas are largely irrelevant in this particular case.
Yes, time will tell how things will play out but one mitigating aspect is as soon as the USA starts dropping the waiver program for other countries they will do the same. I wonder just how fast people will start complaining about the impact to their travels. And I think it worth keeping in mind, those that would be the most impacted are those with the means to get government listening to their grumbling.
While I'm clearly in the minority on the subject here I'm still very much in the "this is all more chicken little than the sky really falling" camp. You might be as well, so not really taking exception or disagreeing with anything you said.
Visa Waiver Program - There are 42 countries on the U.S. VWP. Meaning, citizens or nationals from those countries can travel to the U.S. for 90 days for 'tourism or business' without a visa.
It's a great array of countries. Oddly, many of the Slavic, former Soviet countries are included, except Ukraine.
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